Stretch Cruiser frame with rear swing arm

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I saw a proposal to build a new motorcycle quality stretch cruiser frame with rear swing arm suspension that has a disc mount and clearance for a wide wheel. This is on kickstarter.com. This is being developed by choppersus.com , I hope this works- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/553612698/next-generation-cruiser-bicycle-fits-tall-large-ri?ref=LIVE
 
This would be an excellent candidate for electric conversion. Steel frame with plenty of room for batteries and controllers; disk brake mount on the rear. Just add a beefier shock and you're in business. I'm trying to get 4 other people from San Antonio to go in on the deal to get five complete bikes for $700. Got two people so far, just need two more.
 
Abysmal wallbike suspension geometry. Combined with the cheap shock, it will have such poor suspension you might be better off with a big tire and 30 psi.

Too bad, they could easily copy a 4 bar link and make it ride nice even with a cheap shock.
 
dogman said:
Abysmal wallbike suspension geometry. Combined with the cheap shock, it will have such poor suspension you might be better off with a big tire and 30 psi.

Too bad, they could easily copy a 4 bar link and make it ride nice even with a cheap shock.


you mean a faux bar link? They'd have to pay for the Horst :wink:
 
dogman said:
Abysmal wallbike suspension geometry. Combined with the cheap shock, it will have such poor suspension you might be better off with a big tire and 30 psi.
It's made for flat pavement not downhill mountain riding. That geometry is used on lots of cruiser motorcycles and yes it does come with fat 30 psi tires.
 
Hi Guys -
I am the designer of the bike mentioned and yes, it is a great platform for putting an electric motor on.
It is unfortunatley only a street cuiser, so while the suspension is not worthy of off road and trail riding, it works great on the street or boardwalk.
I am a big guy and have been riding the prototype for a long time and it has been bulletproof.
The frame is all oversized tubing, tig welded and all mounts and dropouts are 1/4" thick steel.
The complete bike as shown retails for $1350 and a pledge for that amount gets a bike and free shipping in the U.S. (International shipping is $350 extra).
The rear dropout accomodates a 135mm Shimano Nexus Hub so it should be excellent for a hub motor.
If this group wants to do a group buy, there are 7+ days left on our Kickstarter.
The group buy is $3500 for 5 bikes delivered! That's only $700 per bike.
This is mostly for bike shops and rental companies, but we can offer it to individual riders too.
We are not able to organize a group for you since the pledge needs to come from one source - that would be up to you.
Oh, and sorry if this post comes off as commerical, I was invited by the gentleman who started the thread to chime in.
If it sounds to sales oriented, of course the admin can feel free to delete it.
Thanks! If anyone has any questions, my email is alan@choppersus.com and I am the owner of Cycles U.S.
Happy Riding!
Alan
 

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jimw1960 said:
This would be an excellent candidate for electric conversion. Steel frame with plenty of room for batteries and controllers; disk brake mount on the rear. Just add a beefier shock and you're in business. I'm trying to get 4 other people from San Antonio to go in on the deal to get five complete bikes for $700. Got two people so far, just need two more.
jimw1960, I am interested in the group buy too,so I invited the developer to offer ES members the opportunity. I was hoping that we could each send $700 directly to the source in the name of an ES group buy. This topic needs more discussion.
 
Unfortunately while we would like to coordinate a group buy for you guys, the problem is how Kickstarter (and their payment processor Amazon Payments) works. We have to abide by the pledge categories and are unable to make pledges on our own campaign. So even if we collected the funds for 5 bikes from individuals, we would nt be allowed to enter the pledge. If you can find someone to collect the funds (maybe using paypal?) and then make the group buy then that would be great. But we only have about a week left to go! Let me know if we can assist in any way...thank you!
 
Beautiful bike at an excellent price point, which I imagine would be cheaper without the pricey rear hub that us ebikers wouldn't use.

However, I'm with Dogman on the rear suspension. I had a wally bike with that type of shock and mount and It didn't do anything better than my hard tail bike does with fat tires.

That's too bad because it would have made a perfect match with a Cromotor.
 
Well, lucky you having such smooth streets.

Not the case here, where heat cracks yeild a surface about the same as riding across a 2x4 thown on the street every 20 feet.

it wouldn't take a lot of redesign to give the same suspension performance of a typical wall mart bike. You've just got your angles so the wheel travel is no more than the stroke of the shock. And then I see a 20 buck shock.

Redesign the mounts, so you at least can fit a longer stroke, higher quality shock with tunability. You got what? 20mm of travel there? Not enough even for street. It doesn't have to be off road capable, just inner city street capable. About 60 mm of travel will do the trick.

Right now, you got nothing but a shock shaped object there buddy.

Other than the shock, it's a gorgeous bike!
 
All I am saying is you don't need to get all complicated with a 4-link suspension system on a street cruiser. Plenty of motorcycles do just fine with a single-pivot swingarm design. I already said it could do with a beefier shock, but that is an easy upgrade, even on a wallmart bike.
 
It is intriguing to me that everyone has an pre-determined opinion that the shock doesn't work. The way we have tied it into the frame it works great. I am a big/tall guy and have ridden the bike extensively. The shock action works perfectly and it flows with the frame naturally. We use 650 or 750 lb test shocks and could go higher but it would stiffen the ride too much. The shocks are perfect and you can adjust them to stiffen the ride if you like. And it is incredibly strong too. WIth my size, the shock functions and has plenty of travel too - remember we are not using angles to push the mechanical advantage of force on the shock - it is in a straight line. If anyone is in So Cal near our showroom and wants to test it out c'mon down!
 
Hi Alan. This forum can be a pretty persnickety crowd that want everything optimized for an overvolted e-bike that goes 35+ mph. I only mention the shock upgrade in that context. The big advantage of your design for an e bike is the beefy steel design and plenty space to bolt on batteries. Since this is a real DIY crowd, folks should know you also plan to sell bare frames.
 
So how much shock travel do you get with that 20 buck shock? Typical is about a 20 mm stroke, which you might use up half of just sitting on the bike.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that doesn't look like a quality shock with some longer stroke to me.

Bear in mind, yer taking to an audience here, who rides 30 mph for miles and miles and miles nonstop. Sure that shock is adequate for the distance and speed I could pedal it.

But here, we are ebikers. And what we are talking about is the bikes suitability as an ebike. Many here would have that thing going 40-50 mph, and believe me, by then that shock would be a joke.

Motorcycles use single pivot shocks all the time. But they use pivot angles don't usually result in a 1-1 ratio between wheel travel and shock stroke. And then they sure don't use a shock with 20 mm of stroke.

Put this on the bike, and you'd have a good enough setup.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=70137

Or better still this. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=83209

I'm just trying to say, at the very least make sure your shock mounts don't prevent the use of a better quality shock with 60-70 mm stroke. A 4 bar link would of course make the bike dirt ridable, since the 60 mm stroke would produce 200 mm or more of wheel travel. But even with your current geometry, 60 mm would be enough travel to avoid bottoming out on a big bump hit at 30 mph.

So just make sure that if somebody wants to do a shock upgrade, the mounts don't interfere with the large fat end on typical air shocks. Better still, market the bike with a 200 buck shock on in rather than a 20 buck shock. You aren't selling to the wallmart bike market segment.

So why the hell are you putting a junk shock on such a nice frame!
 
I still seem to think you are missing the point.
This bike was not built for dirt riding or motorizing to handle high speeds or roads with bumps like "2x4's".
It is a beach cruiser - designed for comfortable (pedal) riding on streets and boardwalks.
And yes, the frame is overbuilt for that application (everything we do is overbuilt).
And as such, it is a good candidate for other applications like motorizing, although that is not the primary purpose.
And again yes, if you want to run the bike in other conditions that it was not originally built for it can handle it, but you will have to change the shock.
If that is of interest, someone can get our raw frame and modify the shock mounts to suit their specific needs.
 
If anyone is interested in our Cruisers U.S. Suspension frame or complete bike it's the last day to get one on our Kickstarter campaign -

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/553612698/next-generation-cruiser-bicycle-fits-tall-large-ri

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact us.
Thanks to those that supported our campaign - we are excited to get to the next phase of our project and begin producing the bikes!

Alan
Cycles U.S.
alan@choppersus.com
Toll Free 1-866-946-5888
 
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