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Safe, if you can't control your enthusiasm you will join an exclusive club.. along the ranks of Randy Draper and a few more i can recall from the " List " ..
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Link said:
suppose if you want to be on the 'safe' side.
don't know enuf about them but would guess not going less than 20% would even do it.
I was oh so close with my NiMH pack & 20% was my self imposed target, only hitting the LVC a half dozen times.
If it weren't for the regen cooking the cells I would have made it but thats for someone else now.
I won't be travelling down that road again starting from zero for a while.
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Wow, you even get the "purity points".... bummer... so now you're two thousand ahead.Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:
I was actually hoping to sneak past you when you weren't looking, but it looks like you're still racking up some pretty good miles.My season will end pretty soon anyway. Today I did about 30 miles and am close to 5,100. Lot's of track time lately (my so called "private race track") and I've been really working hard to figure out the higher speed sweeper turns. I've got one that I'm now just close to hitting full throttle cranked over at 30 mph, but I'm still hesitating a little. The other turn I'm entering at 42 mph (best) and my exit speeds are getting better at more like 23 mph. One of the nice things about these road racer bikes is that there are endless things to improve upon, both in riding and in bike changes. It might be true that I've done 5,000+ miles but it's never felt dull... the excitement of the "genre" of EBRR makes the time go by very fast. ("electric bicycle road racing")
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safe said:
Safe,
Sometimes you really crack me up. See the mileage count and post count shown on the previous post, and that's before Toorbough hits you with a hefty mileage penalty, since practice laps don't count for anything where I come from.
John
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I'm going to have to ride another mile tomorrow just to pay for this posting!From the general consensus I've heard most people are seriously "upside down" with their mortgage... I mean... their "postings verses mileage" relationship. Having anything near unity (one to one relationship) is pretty good.
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh is doing great... he's got a lot of miles... so that's great. His ratio of riding to posting is excellent. (1245 / 6006 = 21% far less than 100%)
But there are a lot here that really don't put on many miles and yet they post a lot. (lot's of critics it seems that don't ride much)
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh could post five times as much and still not be a poser... (so he's definitely "cool" 8) in my book, that's why I'm competing with him :wink: ) When you compete with someone you have to give respect to them... especially when they are ahead of you, but it's also good to be a respectful winner.
I started this year at 3,232 miles, I'm now close to 5,100 miles.
The point of that last posting was to give some idea of "what" I do with the 30 miles I might log in a day. I'm not just riding in some velodrome, I'm actually playing with different lines and pushing my limits... that was my point.
The practice laps are in the hopes that one day "Electric Bicycle Road Racing" will actually happen. Then the miles and miles of practice will be used for some other purpose. (as an inventor it's "product research")
Mark_A_W
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6600km in the last 14 months, and the vast majority of them done getting my arse to and from work, while getting some EXERCISE - the motor is used for assistance.
As opposed to motoring around in circles, on a motorbike.
As opposed to motoring around in circles, on a motorbike.
HAL9000v2.0
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This post is just to keep up with my odometer... 
safe said:
screw that noise!
if no one else, tyler n me have a pretty good idea what weed be enduring right now if you held the lead.
a whole lotta 'ah aym da king' casually dropped into every thread.
not to mention your post count gone thru the roof (more so).
for the nonce, I'm going to enjoy a (somewhat) humbled & subdued 'safe' so long as my flightless wings are able.
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"Bicycle" What Is It?
In the beginning (1820) the bicycle was simply two wheels which were pushed on the ground by the riders feet. There were no pedals on the original bicycle.
Fast forward to the year 1885 when the Starley Rover was invented. This was (ironically) called a "safety bicycle", so it appears that being "safe" was important to them too. :lol:
So to be precise (in the historical context) the advent of the modern "safety bicycle" didn't happen until 65 years had passed. For the first 65 years of the bicycle they did not use a chain. There were some bikes that used pedals however. The penny farthing for instance.
The electrified bicycle "should" (by historical standards) be anything that used two wheels.
In my state of Missouri they faced this paradox and in their typically pragmatic "Show Me" state way realized that all they (as a government) wanted to deal with was larger motored machines which are normally considered "motorcycles". They then simply decided that small (less than 3 horsepower) two wheeled vehicles are "not motorcycles" and you can call them a moped, ebike, scooter, "whatever" and they will not get much attention. Go above three horsepower and you have motorcycle power and get attention and you have to face the laws. Missouri's logic does make a lot of sense... it's very pragmatic and historically correct (in the big picture) but (like with many things in life now) we have grown a bias in the modern age that ignores history and identifies the "bicycle" with the Starley Rover "safety bicycle".
In the beginning (1820) the bicycle was simply two wheels which were pushed on the ground by the riders feet. There were no pedals on the original bicycle.
Fast forward to the year 1885 when the Starley Rover was invented. This was (ironically) called a "safety bicycle", so it appears that being "safe" was important to them too. :lol:
So to be precise (in the historical context) the advent of the modern "safety bicycle" didn't happen until 65 years had passed. For the first 65 years of the bicycle they did not use a chain. There were some bikes that used pedals however. The penny farthing for instance.
The electrified bicycle "should" (by historical standards) be anything that used two wheels.
In my state of Missouri they faced this paradox and in their typically pragmatic "Show Me" state way realized that all they (as a government) wanted to deal with was larger motored machines which are normally considered "motorcycles". They then simply decided that small (less than 3 horsepower) two wheeled vehicles are "not motorcycles" and you can call them a moped, ebike, scooter, "whatever" and they will not get much attention. Go above three horsepower and you have motorcycle power and get attention and you have to face the laws. Missouri's logic does make a lot of sense... it's very pragmatic and historically correct (in the big picture) but (like with many things in life now) we have grown a bias in the modern age that ignores history and identifies the "bicycle" with the Starley Rover "safety bicycle".
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So, The KillaCycle is electric bicycle?
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If the KillaCycle had LESS than three horsepower it would not be considered powerful enough to be a threat and would not be classified as a motorcycle. So in effect, "yes", if the KillaCycle had less than three horsepower (for Missouri) it would be viewed as a bicycle, moped, or "whatever".HAL9000v2.0 said:
The KillaCycle has something like a thousand horsepower though, so it's clearly a motorcycle and NOT a bicycle based on it's power.The bicycle "purity rule" remains:
750 watts
Pedals
20 mph top speed
...if you have all three you are to be viewed by Federal Law as a regular bicycle in the United States. And in this "club" it means you get a 1000 mile bonus from the start.
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safe said:
It only makes 350bhp now. :|
And your bike goes fast enough to break speed limits, so it's clearly a motorcycle and NOT a bicycle based on its speed. :?
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Link said:
Not all bicycles are "pure".This is a little like some of the attacks being thrown at Sarah Palin because she's either a woman or not very experienced. It comes back at you because it exposes the "sins" (or weaknesses) of others.
Many of the folks here worship 5,000 watt hub motors... those clearly do not live up to the "purity ideal" either.
"Purity" buys you 1,000 miles for free, other than that anything with two wheels and less than three horsepower is a bicycle.
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Miles said:
What has been seen cannot be unseen.
safe said:
So much for the PackCycle's 2.3kW...
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safe said:Link said:
This is a little like some of the attacks being thrown at Sarah Palin because she's either a woman or not very experienced. It comes back at you because it exposes the "sins" (or weaknesses) of others.
Many of the folks here worship 5,000 watt hub motors... those clearly do not live up to the "purity ideal" either.
"Purity" buys you 1,000 miles for free, other than that anything with two wheels and less than three horsepower is a bicycle.
No, she's a gun toting, moose killing, creationist, pro-life (betcha her daughter wants an abortion!), right wing loony, with no experience whatsoever. Had to get a passport to visit the troops or somesuch.
Basically she stands for everything I oppose.
And she could be one heart attack away from the most powerful job in the world...
The fact that she is a woman is a cunning diversion to avoid the well deserved criticism.
This thread is bollucks anyway, lets make it a political debate
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I'd vote for that... :lol: :lol: :lol:Mark_A_W said:This thread is bollucks anyway, lets make it a political debate
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Sarah Palin
(we can debate.. it's okay by me... hopefully it won't go for too long)
Sarah Palin was selected for several reasons:
Sarah is a "Maverick" like McCain - They fit together well because they share the same personality. Just like the discussion before about "purity" neither McCain nor Palin are "pure", McCain got a divorce and was a "bad boy" his whole life. Palin has been a royal pain in the ass for republicans in Alaska as she attacked (and defeated) corruption that existed in her own party. They are like two people with the same soul... a perfect match.
Attacks on Sarah "Bounce" - All the various angles that people on the far left will use to attack Sarah will bounce back because in every category it will open a flank of counter attack against Obama. Obama has many weaknesses that the press have conveniently ignored and when the talk goes along this path it opens it up for closer scrutiny on Obama. The harder, lower and more extreme the left gets the more they lose.
...if politics is a "chess game" then I think that the choice of Sarah Palin was a very clever strategic move. It will take some time for the full effect of this bold and radical (Maverick) move to show itself.
Don't be fooled by first reactions...
Obviously I am fond of her because I like "Maverick" types.
(we can debate.. it's okay by me... hopefully it won't go for too long)
Sarah Palin was selected for several reasons:
Sarah is a "Maverick" like McCain - They fit together well because they share the same personality. Just like the discussion before about "purity" neither McCain nor Palin are "pure", McCain got a divorce and was a "bad boy" his whole life. Palin has been a royal pain in the ass for republicans in Alaska as she attacked (and defeated) corruption that existed in her own party. They are like two people with the same soul... a perfect match. Attacks on Sarah "Bounce" - All the various angles that people on the far left will use to attack Sarah will bounce back because in every category it will open a flank of counter attack against Obama. Obama has many weaknesses that the press have conveniently ignored and when the talk goes along this path it opens it up for closer scrutiny on Obama. The harder, lower and more extreme the left gets the more they lose....if politics is a "chess game" then I think that the choice of Sarah Palin was a very clever strategic move. It will take some time for the full effect of this bold and radical (Maverick) move to show itself.
Don't be fooled by first reactions...Obviously I am fond of her because I like "Maverick" types.
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Put a pair of wheels on her and she becomes a bicycle too.
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@JohnInCR :lol: :lol: :lol:
Palin is just another wolf in sheeps' clothing...
Campaign money hurts Palin's outsider image
By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 36 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - GOP vice presidential pick Sarah Palin accepted at least $4,500 in campaign contributions in the same fundraising scheme at the center of a public corruption scandal that led to the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens.
The contributions, made during Palin's failed 2002 bid to become Alaska's lieutenant governor, were not illegal for her to accept. But they show how Palin, a self-proclaimed reformer who has bucked Stevens and his allies, is nonetheless a product of a political system in Alaska now under the cloud of an ongoing FBI investigation.
It's the latest in a string of revelations that have forced John McCain's campaign to defend his choice and the thoroughness of the background check of Palin, 44, a little-known governor who is new to the national stage. Palin stunned delegates at the GOP convention Monday when she announced through the McCain campaign that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant.
With the convention still abuzz, the list of potentially embarrassing details grew Tuesday:
_Palin sought pork-barrel projects for her city and state, contrary to her reformist image.
_Her husband once belonged to a fringe political group in Alaska with some members supporting secession from the United States.
_A private attorney has been authorized to spend $95,000 to defend her against accusations of abuse of power.
_She has acknowledged smoking marijuana in the past.
And this: Bristol Palin's boyfriend, Levi Johnston, plans to join the family of the Republican vice presidential candidate at the GOP convention, the boy's mother said. He left Alaska on Tuesday morning to join the Palin family in St. Paul, Minn.
Defending his choice and the team that helped pick her, McCain said Tuesday that "the vetting process was completely thorough." Campaign advisers at the convention in St. Paul, Minn., said Palin filled out a survey with 70 questions, including: Have you ever paid for sex? Have you been faithful in your marriage? Have you ever used or purchased drugs? Have you ever downloaded pornography?
McCain's aides maintained that Palin was a finalist from the start
But a senior Republican familiar with the search, who requested anonymity when speaking without authorization, said Palin had all but fallen from the radar until late in the summer when McCain  apparently unsatisfied with his working list  asked for more alternatives. Suddenly, she was a finalist.
When she was introduced as McCain's running mate last week, Palin portrayed herself as a political maverick in McCain's mold: "I've stood up to the old politics as usual, to the special interests, to the lobbyists, the big oil companies and the 'good old boy' network,'" she said.
But Alaska's first female governor has at times benefited from Alaska's entrenched political system.
As Palin campaigned unsuccessfully in 2002 to become lieutenant governor, she received contributions from executives at VECO Corp., a powerful Alaska oil field services company. Company founder Bill Allen has admitted the company steers its donations through a "special bonus program" in which executives received money and the company instructed them to donate it to favored politicians.
Allen pleaded guilty to bribery and corruption charges. He admitted the program violated federal tax laws and said it was used to keep his political allies flush with cash.
"If they're working with the oil industry, I'd like to help with their campaigns," Allen testified last year in the corruption trial of a former state lawmaker.
Steve Schmidt, senior adviser to the McCain campaign, dismissed the idea that a few campaign contributions years ago in any way diminished Palin's record as a reformer. "Gov. Palin's record fighting corruption and taking on these issues in Alaska speaks for itself," he said Tuesday.
Since Palin's nomination last week, these issues also are raising eyebrows:
_In her earlier career as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Palin hired a lobbyist to help the tiny town secure at least 14 earmarks, worth $27 million between 2000-2003. McCain has touted Palin as a force in his long battle against earmarks.
_Her husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states' rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself never registered as a member of the party, according to state officials, though party members said she attended a 1994 convention with her husband.
_The state legislature is investigating whether she had Alaska's public safety commissioner fired after he refused to dismiss a state trooper who had divorced Palin's sister. Lawyer Thomas Van Flein said he is representing Palin both personally and in her official capacity as governor. He can bill the state up to $95,000.
_Palin opposed the U.S. government's listing of a variety of animals as endangered, including the polar bear and the beluga whale, both of which inhabit areas also rich in oil and natural gas.
_Palin previously acknowledged she smoked marijuana but said in a 2006 interview she no longer used the drug. "I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled," she said.
• Palin's management style has come under scrutiny. When taking over as mayor of Wasilla, she asked top officials to submit resignation letters, resulting in several departures, including that of the police chief. The chief claimed it was because he supported her opponent in the mayor's race.
_Under her leadership this year, Alaska asked for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects from Stevens, one of McCain's top adversaries. That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress.
Palin has had her share of run-ins with Stevens, including a dustup earlier this year in which Stevens accused Palin of not being enthusiastic enough about his efforts to bring federal earmark money to Alaska. She has also called on Stevens' son, Ben, to resign as national committeeman for the state party.
She was among the first Alaska Republicans to urge Stevens to answer questions about the FBI investigation.
In the fundraising corruption probe, VECO founder Allen is cooperating with an FBI investigation that has already sent several state political figures to prison. He is expected to be the Justice Department's star witness at Stevens' trial later this month when he testifies about home renovations and other gifts he provided the longtime senator  gifts Stevens is charged with concealing on Senate documents.
Palin received $500, the maximum amount allowed by law, from Allen and VECO vice president Rick Smith. Several other VECO managers, including Pete Leathard, who came up with the idea for the special bonus program, also donated the maximum. Allen's son, a VECO employee, also donated $500. All the checks were donated the same day, except for Leathard's, which was dated two days after the rest.
John Cramer, one of Palin's treasurers for her 2002 campaign, said he doesn't remember any indications that the money came from a special company program.
The donations aren't evidence of corruption, and Palin is not among the lawmakers under investigation in the VECO case. But they undermine arguments that Palin has broken from Alaska's Republican machine, including Stevens.
"If you can take on Ted Stevens and that crowd in Alaska, you can handle the Russians," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C, told ABC News this week.
But Palin didn't reach the governor's office picking fights with the Senate's longest-serving Republican. She was a director for a nonprofit group Stevens set up to increase the number of Republican women in government. Stevens also campaigned for Palin in 2006 and appeared in a political advertisement for her.
Palin has had her share of run-ins with Stevens, including a dustup earlier this year in which Stevens accused Palin of not being enthusiastic enough about his efforts to bring federal earmark money to Alaska. She has also called on Stevens' son, Ben, to resign as national committeeman for the state party.
She was among the first Alaska Republicans to urge Stevens to answer questions about the FBI investigation. But she did not urge him to resign after his indictment, as she did after a state lawmaker was indicted. She said Stevens "has dedicated his life to the betterment of the state."
Palin is just another wolf in sheeps' clothing...
Campaign money hurts Palin's outsider image
By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 36 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - GOP vice presidential pick Sarah Palin accepted at least $4,500 in campaign contributions in the same fundraising scheme at the center of a public corruption scandal that led to the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens.
The contributions, made during Palin's failed 2002 bid to become Alaska's lieutenant governor, were not illegal for her to accept. But they show how Palin, a self-proclaimed reformer who has bucked Stevens and his allies, is nonetheless a product of a political system in Alaska now under the cloud of an ongoing FBI investigation.
It's the latest in a string of revelations that have forced John McCain's campaign to defend his choice and the thoroughness of the background check of Palin, 44, a little-known governor who is new to the national stage. Palin stunned delegates at the GOP convention Monday when she announced through the McCain campaign that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant.
With the convention still abuzz, the list of potentially embarrassing details grew Tuesday:
_Palin sought pork-barrel projects for her city and state, contrary to her reformist image.
_Her husband once belonged to a fringe political group in Alaska with some members supporting secession from the United States.
_A private attorney has been authorized to spend $95,000 to defend her against accusations of abuse of power.
_She has acknowledged smoking marijuana in the past.
And this: Bristol Palin's boyfriend, Levi Johnston, plans to join the family of the Republican vice presidential candidate at the GOP convention, the boy's mother said. He left Alaska on Tuesday morning to join the Palin family in St. Paul, Minn.
Defending his choice and the team that helped pick her, McCain said Tuesday that "the vetting process was completely thorough." Campaign advisers at the convention in St. Paul, Minn., said Palin filled out a survey with 70 questions, including: Have you ever paid for sex? Have you been faithful in your marriage? Have you ever used or purchased drugs? Have you ever downloaded pornography?
McCain's aides maintained that Palin was a finalist from the start
But a senior Republican familiar with the search, who requested anonymity when speaking without authorization, said Palin had all but fallen from the radar until late in the summer when McCain  apparently unsatisfied with his working list  asked for more alternatives. Suddenly, she was a finalist.
When she was introduced as McCain's running mate last week, Palin portrayed herself as a political maverick in McCain's mold: "I've stood up to the old politics as usual, to the special interests, to the lobbyists, the big oil companies and the 'good old boy' network,'" she said.
But Alaska's first female governor has at times benefited from Alaska's entrenched political system.
As Palin campaigned unsuccessfully in 2002 to become lieutenant governor, she received contributions from executives at VECO Corp., a powerful Alaska oil field services company. Company founder Bill Allen has admitted the company steers its donations through a "special bonus program" in which executives received money and the company instructed them to donate it to favored politicians.
Allen pleaded guilty to bribery and corruption charges. He admitted the program violated federal tax laws and said it was used to keep his political allies flush with cash.
"If they're working with the oil industry, I'd like to help with their campaigns," Allen testified last year in the corruption trial of a former state lawmaker.
Steve Schmidt, senior adviser to the McCain campaign, dismissed the idea that a few campaign contributions years ago in any way diminished Palin's record as a reformer. "Gov. Palin's record fighting corruption and taking on these issues in Alaska speaks for itself," he said Tuesday.
Since Palin's nomination last week, these issues also are raising eyebrows:
_In her earlier career as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Palin hired a lobbyist to help the tiny town secure at least 14 earmarks, worth $27 million between 2000-2003. McCain has touted Palin as a force in his long battle against earmarks.
_Her husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states' rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself never registered as a member of the party, according to state officials, though party members said she attended a 1994 convention with her husband.
_The state legislature is investigating whether she had Alaska's public safety commissioner fired after he refused to dismiss a state trooper who had divorced Palin's sister. Lawyer Thomas Van Flein said he is representing Palin both personally and in her official capacity as governor. He can bill the state up to $95,000.
_Palin opposed the U.S. government's listing of a variety of animals as endangered, including the polar bear and the beluga whale, both of which inhabit areas also rich in oil and natural gas.
_Palin previously acknowledged she smoked marijuana but said in a 2006 interview she no longer used the drug. "I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled," she said.
• Palin's management style has come under scrutiny. When taking over as mayor of Wasilla, she asked top officials to submit resignation letters, resulting in several departures, including that of the police chief. The chief claimed it was because he supported her opponent in the mayor's race.
_Under her leadership this year, Alaska asked for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects from Stevens, one of McCain's top adversaries. That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress.
Palin has had her share of run-ins with Stevens, including a dustup earlier this year in which Stevens accused Palin of not being enthusiastic enough about his efforts to bring federal earmark money to Alaska. She has also called on Stevens' son, Ben, to resign as national committeeman for the state party.
She was among the first Alaska Republicans to urge Stevens to answer questions about the FBI investigation.
In the fundraising corruption probe, VECO founder Allen is cooperating with an FBI investigation that has already sent several state political figures to prison. He is expected to be the Justice Department's star witness at Stevens' trial later this month when he testifies about home renovations and other gifts he provided the longtime senator  gifts Stevens is charged with concealing on Senate documents.
Palin received $500, the maximum amount allowed by law, from Allen and VECO vice president Rick Smith. Several other VECO managers, including Pete Leathard, who came up with the idea for the special bonus program, also donated the maximum. Allen's son, a VECO employee, also donated $500. All the checks were donated the same day, except for Leathard's, which was dated two days after the rest.
John Cramer, one of Palin's treasurers for her 2002 campaign, said he doesn't remember any indications that the money came from a special company program.
The donations aren't evidence of corruption, and Palin is not among the lawmakers under investigation in the VECO case. But they undermine arguments that Palin has broken from Alaska's Republican machine, including Stevens.
"If you can take on Ted Stevens and that crowd in Alaska, you can handle the Russians," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C, told ABC News this week.
But Palin didn't reach the governor's office picking fights with the Senate's longest-serving Republican. She was a director for a nonprofit group Stevens set up to increase the number of Republican women in government. Stevens also campaigned for Palin in 2006 and appeared in a political advertisement for her.
Palin has had her share of run-ins with Stevens, including a dustup earlier this year in which Stevens accused Palin of not being enthusiastic enough about his efforts to bring federal earmark money to Alaska. She has also called on Stevens' son, Ben, to resign as national committeeman for the state party.
She was among the first Alaska Republicans to urge Stevens to answer questions about the FBI investigation. But she did not urge him to resign after his indictment, as she did after a state lawmaker was indicted. She said Stevens "has dedicated his life to the betterment of the state."
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The web is filled with anti-Palin stories right now, but I'm sure that with time they will fizzle because she was well vetted and if there was any truth to it McCain would have known. (McCain knew about the pregnancy)
All this will "bounce"... just give it some time and relax as this one is a loooooooong story to watch...
Wait for the "Bounce"
The more extreme the left gets the more they lose.
Basically this is a "trap" set by McCain to lure the far left into presenting themselves as the monsters they are. If the far left falls for it and goes wild they will pay the price down the road. So far the left seems to have taken the bait.... so it's working. :wink:
All this will "bounce"... just give it some time and relax as this one is a loooooooong story to watch... Wait for the "Bounce"
The more extreme the left gets the more they lose.
Basically this is a "trap" set by McCain to lure the far left into presenting themselves as the monsters they are. If the far left falls for it and goes wild they will pay the price down the road. So far the left seems to have taken the bait.... so it's working. :wink:
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safe said:The web is filled with anti-Palin stories right now, but I'm sure that with time they will fizzle because she was well vetted and if there was any truth to it McCain would have known. (McCain knew about the pregnancy)
Wait for the "Bounce"
The more extreme the left gets the more they lose.
Basically this is a "trap" set by McCain to lure the far left into presenting themselves as the monsters they are. If the far left falls for it and goes wild they will pay the price down the road. So far the left seems to have taken the bait.... so it's working. :wink:
Check out RealClearPolitics.com and look at the polls (all rolling polls summarized, including Fox psuedo-News). Palin was the best gift McCain could have given to Obama. The graph starts spiking the day she was introduced and just keeps on going. Obama just crossed the 50% approval threshold in the middle of the RNC.
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Just give it some time...Sarah Palin gets introduced tonight, so the "clock" starts after she is introduced. Most people haven't even seen her yet. There is always going to be a lag time between polls and what is going on. The Democrats got their 2-5 point bump after their convention and things will reverse after the Republican convention this week. Bill Clinton got a 15 point bump at his convention, so the momentum of Obama is very weak by comparision. This is going to be a slooooooooow change in public opinion as people need to really think about what is going on. It's a slow process, but the left seems to have taken the bait so the future looks good.
Geez... breaking news... someone on the left apparently stole Sarah Palins Social Security number. This kind of behavior is going to backfire against them... dirty politics is now criminal...
