Hillhater
100 TW
1MW Plant Testing Underway
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1075
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1075
This man may change the world Andrea Rossi & eCat
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bigmoose
1 MW
We should also keep an eye on Dr. Miley. He is replicating some of the Patterson Cell experiments and is getting anomalous or over unity heat output. I would put Dr. Miley several steps above in scientific method compared to Rossi. See slide 48 in particular:
http://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2011/...-replicates-patterson-names-rossi/#comment-95
Rossi is in either a Greek Tragedy or a Greek Comedy with the Greek Company that he originally had a contract with, Defkalion Green Technology or DGT. http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/stremmenos-stance-on-defkalion-gts-10.html
A month or so ago, Rossi broke contact with DGT saying they did not deliver on their contract, now DGT is praising Rossi, saying they have co-developed a over unity reactor not using Rossi's secret sauce but their own. DGT is offering licencing for 40 million euros. If you put 500K euros into escrow they will let you and your scientists play with their device using your instruments as long as you want. If you are not satisfied, you get your 500K euro's back, if satisfied, it is applied to the licencing costs... DGT says Rossi tried to hire away their chief designer...
The plot thickens.... as Rossi is "firing up" his 1Mw steam generator this weekend using a large number of "Fat Cat" eCats... that again are allegedly a copy of DGT's model 3 or 4 reactor so says the blogs... DGT says their current reactor is a model 7 and are not happy that their old design was "leaked."
Fun stuff... or ... the world is about to change... a comedy or .... a tragedy? Who knows!
http://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2011/...-replicates-patterson-names-rossi/#comment-95
Rossi is in either a Greek Tragedy or a Greek Comedy with the Greek Company that he originally had a contract with, Defkalion Green Technology or DGT. http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/stremmenos-stance-on-defkalion-gts-10.html
A month or so ago, Rossi broke contact with DGT saying they did not deliver on their contract, now DGT is praising Rossi, saying they have co-developed a over unity reactor not using Rossi's secret sauce but their own. DGT is offering licencing for 40 million euros. If you put 500K euros into escrow they will let you and your scientists play with their device using your instruments as long as you want. If you are not satisfied, you get your 500K euro's back, if satisfied, it is applied to the licencing costs... DGT says Rossi tried to hire away their chief designer...
The plot thickens.... as Rossi is "firing up" his 1Mw steam generator this weekend using a large number of "Fat Cat" eCats... that again are allegedly a copy of DGT's model 3 or 4 reactor so says the blogs... DGT says their current reactor is a model 7 and are not happy that their old design was "leaked."
Fun stuff... or ... the world is about to change... a comedy or .... a tragedy? Who knows!
bigmoose said:
Apparently, Rossi has been testing the thing since yesterday. At this stage I don't know what to make of it all. I would imagine a couple of kilowatts is a lot easier to test than a one megawatt unit. In his defence it would probably be a lot easier to sell commercially than to members of the public so perhaps that is his reason.
Glad to hear that others are getting promising results Rossi makes me very uneasy.
El_Steak
10 kW
The 1 mega watt plant was/is tested today.
Latest (unverified) news is that the test was successful.
More info here:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/e-day-thread-rossis-1-mw-e-cat-plant-tested-by-first-customer/
Apparently Associated Press has the exclusive on the coverage so we can expect more info from them soon.
Latest (unverified) news is that the test was successful.
More info here:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/e-day-thread-rossis-1-mw-e-cat-plant-tested-by-first-customer/
Apparently Associated Press has the exclusive on the coverage so we can expect more info from them soon.
El_Steak
10 kW
Hoping for the best, but still skeptical.
No info or credentials validation of the "secret client" that conducted the testing is cause from concern.
As Carl Sagan said: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Lets hope we'll get extraordinary evidence.
No info or credentials validation of the "secret client" that conducted the testing is cause from concern.
As Carl Sagan said: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Lets hope we'll get extraordinary evidence.
bigmoose
1 MW
First video of today... Rossi claims 460 KW from his container sized agglomeration of eCats... things are a changing... if "the customer" confirms payment!
[youtube]7sZHOQ6P-Rw[/youtube]
and to balance it from http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53743.html
[youtube]7sZHOQ6P-Rw[/youtube]
and to balance it from http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53743.html
liveforphysics
100 TW
It seems sooo crooked to me. And from a guy with a history of huge scale scams.
I want to believe, but everything points to scam.
I want to believe, but everything points to scam.
*dee jay kicks the soundtrack*
El_Steak
10 kW
Here's the report from PES Network who had someone on attendance:
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
I really hope this could be true, but my BS detector is beeping.
Couple of red flags from the article:
Apparently the customer opted for self-sustain mode at lower power level.
Plausible, but also very convenient if you're running a scam.
So the 500kW generator was still hooked to the "reactor" that was producing... 470kW. This doesn't smell very good.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
I really hope this could be true, but my BS detector is beeping.
Couple of red flags from the article:
Apparently the customer opted for self-sustain mode at lower power level.
Plausible, but also very convenient if you're running a scam.
So the 500kW generator was still hooked to the "reactor" that was producing... 470kW. This doesn't smell very good.
bigmoose
1 MW
Sort of funny, you check the meta data on the spread sheet that Rossi himself posted and guess what is in the "File Properties Field" for Company? ... Manutencoop Facility Management
The best made plans of men!
On another note, some are still saying it is a US mega company that contracted the testing to Manutencoop Facility Management. I have two observations with respect to that theory.
1) The test plan is not of the caliber I would expect for a fortune 25 company from the US. Much too casual and imprecise.
2) Upon the completion of the run, Domenico Fioravanti the test engineer, signed to accept the eCat and approved the test. The protocol that I have seen, Domenico Fioravanti would have recommended to accept, and we would have waited a few hours while corporate "chewed" on the decision.
... Could be cultural however. I just do not know.
The best made plans of men!
On another note, some are still saying it is a US mega company that contracted the testing to Manutencoop Facility Management. I have two observations with respect to that theory.
1) The test plan is not of the caliber I would expect for a fortune 25 company from the US. Much too casual and imprecise.
2) Upon the completion of the run, Domenico Fioravanti the test engineer, signed to accept the eCat and approved the test. The protocol that I have seen, Domenico Fioravanti would have recommended to accept, and we would have waited a few hours while corporate "chewed" on the decision.
... Could be cultural however. I just do not know.
Jozzer
100 kW
bigmoose said:
No, your right, in Italy you have to sign everything 100 times with 100 witnesses and work every kink out of every deal..
Gordo
100 kW
I just built an eCat. I used a coil of 103.78m of 125mm steel tubing, suspended in a hot water tank. Before the demo, I connected 440V at 100A to either end of the tube. Once the tube was red hot, I disconnected the power, invited in the engineers and as I put cold water in the bottom end of the coil, superheated steam came out the other end. Voila, un eChatte! (Pussy in English)
Hillhater
100 TW
Gordo said:
how long did it produce steam for ? :wink:
Gordo
100 kW
Until the engineers and cameras left. :lol:
Drunkskunk
100 GW
I call BS. His demonstrations look more like a steam punk themed Magician's tricks, with out the scantily clad assistants. I'd be more impressed if he wore a tophat and waved a wand.
Lets ignore the fact that he's been to prison for fraud in the past, or that this is his M.O., The science just isn't there. But the skill of the trick is interesting.
Essentualy, Like any good Magician, he gives you a story, filled with terms you don't fully understand, but with a remarkable and clever outcome (In a far away land ancient monks knew the secret of...) . he then shows you a device, that he demonstrates some of basic parts of. ( Just an ordinary box, nothing remarkable about it at all, but Observe!...) He's very good at showing slightly more than your attention span wants to see, and giving you an information overload so that you don't notice what he didn't show you. (You know, he never showed the bottom of the box, and it never came of that funny table... ) He then preforms his Trick, and you see exactly what he described you would see. Humble beginings, with dramatic and supprising results that exceed your expectations. And then like any good street preformer, he doesn't ask for money, but he lets you know that he appriciates it as the hat is passed around. ( The investors have been most gracous, thank you, thank you.. )
Proving him a fraud would be difficult based on the information available, but recreating his demonstration wouldn't be, if examined like a magic trick.
An interesting article from someone in his field who met with Rossi: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/
Lets ignore the fact that he's been to prison for fraud in the past, or that this is his M.O., The science just isn't there. But the skill of the trick is interesting.
Essentualy, Like any good Magician, he gives you a story, filled with terms you don't fully understand, but with a remarkable and clever outcome (In a far away land ancient monks knew the secret of...) . he then shows you a device, that he demonstrates some of basic parts of. ( Just an ordinary box, nothing remarkable about it at all, but Observe!...) He's very good at showing slightly more than your attention span wants to see, and giving you an information overload so that you don't notice what he didn't show you. (You know, he never showed the bottom of the box, and it never came of that funny table... ) He then preforms his Trick, and you see exactly what he described you would see. Humble beginings, with dramatic and supprising results that exceed your expectations. And then like any good street preformer, he doesn't ask for money, but he lets you know that he appriciates it as the hat is passed around. ( The investors have been most gracous, thank you, thank you.. )
Proving him a fraud would be difficult based on the information available, but recreating his demonstration wouldn't be, if examined like a magic trick.
An interesting article from someone in his field who met with Rossi: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/
Gordo
100 kW
"An interesting article from someone in his field who met with Rossi: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/"
This is also precisely my take on the stunt. A pre-heated tea kettle.!
This is also precisely my take on the stunt. A pre-heated tea kettle.!
Hillhater
100 TW
Gordo said:...This is also precisely my take on the stunt. A pre-heated tea kettle.!
you are going to need a BIG kettle ...
Mr. Krivit isn't coming out of this too well.
If it is a fraud - we will eventually find out. If it isn't, he just lost his credibility by personalising the issue.
Let Rossi say and do what he likes, time will reveal all anyway.
If it is a fraud - we will eventually find out. If it isn't, he just lost his credibility by personalising the issue.
Let Rossi say and do what he likes, time will reveal all anyway.
Hillhater
100 TW
Rebuttal to Krivit's Accusation that Andrea Rossi is a Fraudster
http://pesn.com/2011/10/30/9501941_Rebuttal_to_Krivits_Accusation_that_Andrea_Rossi_is_a_Fraudster/
someone has to ask ..
why was a "500kW" generator required when only 66kw/hr was used to "start" the process ?
Why was it running throughout the "self sustaining" part of the test ( 6hrs ?)
Why was the full 1MW output not tested ?
I am sure there are good explanations for these questions, but they do need to be clarified.
Further, i am very surprised that the "Customer" accepted ( apparently) the unit even though it failed to meet 50% of its claimed output.
At the very least i would have expected a re-test prior to final buy off.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/30/9501941_Rebuttal_to_Krivits_Accusation_that_Andrea_Rossi_is_a_Fraudster/
^^^ Ditto !El_Steak said:
someone has to ask ..
why was a "500kW" generator required when only 66kw/hr was used to "start" the process ?
Why was it running throughout the "self sustaining" part of the test ( 6hrs ?)
Why was the full 1MW output not tested ?
I am sure there are good explanations for these questions, but they do need to be clarified.
Further, i am very surprised that the "Customer" accepted ( apparently) the unit even though it failed to meet 50% of its claimed output.
At the very least i would have expected a re-test prior to final buy off.
