megacycle
100 kW
The Matrix is real after all and they're using a but plugzzoing said:
Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases
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SniperGaulois
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LockH said:
Just found out about flame retardant battery charging bags.
I don't think that there are charging bags large enough for ebike batteries. A steel box would be ok, especially for those who live in 7 story timber apartments. has anyone used a cloth material around their pack, for charging and for everyday useage? there are some battery charging bags available on 3bay.
SniperGaulois
10 kW
Here is Toyota's next 2015, 57,000 dollars, 2kw/kg fuel cell car. it is something like twice as efficient as the previous toyota fuel cell car, and will be on sale this year, Toyota will be making about 900 of them. Mirai means future in Japanese.... if the car weighed 500 kilos, and the fuel cell and tank weigh 100 kilos, then for a much less celerity ebike, it could be 10 kilos and 200 miles ranges :-D let's hope toyota make a motorbike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai#Specifications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai#Specifications
LockH
1 PW
Interesting. With solar power to break water? (= H + O2. Plus reverse re via cogen?)Arlo1 said:
parabellum
1 MW
More like thisLockH said:
2 H2O(l) → 2 H2(g) + O2(g)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
Its very in efficient to split water and its also inefficient to convert the Hydrogen into electricity or burn it... Hydrogen is not very energy dense so the range will suffer due to the lack of efficiency and the lack of energy density all for something with less the 1/2 the efficiency of driving a battery electric.
LockH
1 PW
"range will suffer due to the lack of efficiency and the lack of energy density all for something with less the 1/2 the efficiency of driving a battery electric."
Might earth EVer escape 20th-Cent. high energy consumption rate addiction? (hehe)
OTOH, if energy source doesn't cost user anything...
Might earth EVer escape 20th-Cent. high energy consumption rate addiction? (hehe)
OTOH, if energy source doesn't cost user anything...
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As long as we have the monetary system electricity will have a cost. I plan to sell my excess power to the grid and use the grid as a battery. So I would for one like to dive on electricity as cheep as I can and for 2 have the most range possible. And if I waste the energy its costing me $0.10 a KWh (which will go up).
As for curving habits and energy use... I don't think you will get cars much more efficient then the leaf/miev/teslas etc. The might loose there efficiency as you travel at higher speeds but most the roads I deal with on a daily basis have a 90k speed limit or less....
As long as we have the monetary system electricity will have a cost. I plan to sell my excess power to the grid and use the grid as a battery. So I would for one like to dive on electricity as cheep as I can and for 2 have the most range possible. And if I waste the energy its costing me $0.10 a KWh (which will go up).
As for curving habits and energy use... I don't think you will get cars much more efficient then the leaf/miev/teslas etc. The might loose there efficiency as you travel at higher speeds but most the roads I deal with on a daily basis have a 90k speed limit or less....
arkmundi
10 MW
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57256&p=966526&hilit=SolidEnergy#p966526
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A Battery for Electronics That Lasts Twice as Long
The Sad Story of the Battery Breakthrough that Proved Too Good to Be True
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/10/20131022-a123solid.htmlJoseph C. said:
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A Battery for Electronics That Lasts Twice as Long
The Sad Story of the Battery Breakthrough that Proved Too Good to Be True
LockH
1 PW
Meanwhile, in ES Newz, Elon Musk declares to be hit/run over/crushed by *his* electric "cars" (large, heavy, fast, expensive, gorgeous to look at) CAN be done in a more "eco-friendly" way!
And now back to original programming (Betteries for the rest of us. ?sp) Hic I'm guessing 2nd tier/alt. mfgrs of cells and components will surge in a good way. (A rising tide lifts all boats.)
(Sorry if acerbic bits re weapons of mass destruction may have upset some.)
And now back to original programming (Betteries for the rest of us. ?sp) Hic I'm guessing 2nd tier/alt. mfgrs of cells and components will surge in a good way. (A rising tide lifts all boats.)
(Sorry if acerbic bits re weapons of mass destruction may have upset some.)
TheBeastie
1 MW
http://power-eetimes.com/en/can-mimicking-biology-improve-li-ion-battery-performance.html?cmp_id=7&news_id=222908795&vID=35
Researchers at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC) have isolated a peptide which binds strongly to lithium manganese nickel oxide (LMNO), a material that can be used to make the cathode in high performance lithium ion batteries.
The resulting peptide could then form a bridge, binding to both the lithium manganese nickel oxide nanoparticles and the carbon nanotubes and keeping them close to each other so that they can maintain a connection through multiple charging cycles. By helping to maintain a highly organized architecture at the nanoscale, the researchers expect that their peptides will improve the power and cycling stability of future Li-ion batteries, allowing them to be smaller and maintain longer lifetimes.
Researchers at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC) have isolated a peptide which binds strongly to lithium manganese nickel oxide (LMNO), a material that can be used to make the cathode in high performance lithium ion batteries.
The resulting peptide could then form a bridge, binding to both the lithium manganese nickel oxide nanoparticles and the carbon nanotubes and keeping them close to each other so that they can maintain a connection through multiple charging cycles. By helping to maintain a highly organized architecture at the nanoscale, the researchers expect that their peptides will improve the power and cycling stability of future Li-ion batteries, allowing them to be smaller and maintain longer lifetimes.
arkmundi
10 MW
LockH
1 PW
ricklearned
100 mW
Wow, hundreds of times. That that is like six month before I woueld see any degadation.
Funny after non flammable solid state lithium cells are coming to market we now learn non flammable (electrolyte) nimh cells energy density can easily be doubled
If GM never sold Ovonics to Chevron/Texaco we would have had these cells 10 years ago. Ovonics was sold to the Germans a couple of years ago for pennies on the dollar as the patents were starting to expire. Remember nimh don't need any fancy heating and cooling systems either and the cells don't need to be spaced for safety.
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But scientists at BASF are exploring the possibilities of an older type of battery, nickel-metal hydride, now used in hybrids. They recently doubled the amount of energy that these batteries can store, making them comparable to lithium-ion batteries. And they have a plan to improve them far more, potentially increasing energy storage by an additional eight times.+
The BASF researchers are aiming for batteries that cost $146 per kilowatt-hour, roughly half as much as the cheapest lithium-ion electric car batteries.+
Lithium-ion batteries have been preferred in many applications because they’re lighter and more compact—that’s why they’ve superseded nickel-metal hydride batteries in most portable electronics.+
But nickel-metal hydride batteries have some significant advantages in cars, which is why they’ve been used in hybrids for decades. They’re durable, and inherently safer than lithium-ion batteries, partly because they don’t use flammable liquids, as lithium-ion batteries do—they don’t catch fire if they overheat or are overcharged so their cooling systems and electronic controls are far simpler. Safety systems can add about 25 percent to the cost of a lithium-ion battery pack, and increase their weight by 50 percent, based on data from the industry group U.S. Advanced Battery Consortium.+
To these inherent advantages, the BASF scientists added improvements to the nickel-based materials used in the batteries. Changing the microstructure helped make them more durable, which in turn allowed changes to the cell design that saved considerable weight, enabling storage of 140 watt-hours per kilogram.+
Lithium-ion battery cells can store far more—230 watt-hours per kilogram in some cases. But when you factor in the added weight of the safety systems, and the fact that much of the energy is held in reserve to reduce wear and tear and allow for energy storage capacity fade over time, that advantage can disappear.+
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German chemical company BASF has acquired Ovonic Battery Co., a wholly owned subsidiary of EV battery maker Energy Conversion Devices Inc.
Energy Conversion Devices, of suburban Detroit, today filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The company sold Ovonic for $58 million in cash in a transaction that closed Monday.
The late Robert Stempel, a former CEO of General Motors, served as chairman of ECD for 12 years before leaving the firm in 2007.
Ovonic, a developer of nickel-metal hydride battery technology, has its headquarters and a battery materials research center in suburban Detroit.
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DETROIT, Mich., October 10 Texaco (NYSE: TX) and General Motors (NYSE: GM) today announced Texaco's intent to acquire GM's share of a joint venture that has developed an advanced battery technology for the automotive market.
Under the terms of the memorandum of understanding, Texaco will acquire GM's 60 percent share of an existing joint venture with Energy Conversion Devices - ECD - (NASDAQ: ENER), a firm in which Texaco already holds a 20 percent interest. GM and Ovonic Battery Company, a subsidiary of ECD, formed the joint venture, GM Ovonic, in 1994 to manufacture and commercialize high-efficiency, nickel metal hydride (NiMH) automobile batteries. The joint venture, which will be re-named Texaco Ovonic, plans to fully commercialize and expand its applications to a broad range of energy markets.
"ECD and Ovonic developed breakthrough advanced NiMH battery technology and General Motors has brought it to the production stage," said Texaco Senior Vice President William M. Wicker. "With the demand for all-electric and hybrid vehicles projected to grow significantly over the next few years, the time is right to extend this technology to the entire automotive market and take it to the next level of commercial development
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH
If GM never sold Ovonics to Chevron/Texaco we would have had these cells 10 years ago. Ovonics was sold to the Germans a couple of years ago for pennies on the dollar as the patents were starting to expire. Remember nimh don't need any fancy heating and cooling systems either and the cells don't need to be spaced for safety.
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But scientists at BASF are exploring the possibilities of an older type of battery, nickel-metal hydride, now used in hybrids. They recently doubled the amount of energy that these batteries can store, making them comparable to lithium-ion batteries. And they have a plan to improve them far more, potentially increasing energy storage by an additional eight times.+
The BASF researchers are aiming for batteries that cost $146 per kilowatt-hour, roughly half as much as the cheapest lithium-ion electric car batteries.+
Lithium-ion batteries have been preferred in many applications because they’re lighter and more compact—that’s why they’ve superseded nickel-metal hydride batteries in most portable electronics.+
But nickel-metal hydride batteries have some significant advantages in cars, which is why they’ve been used in hybrids for decades. They’re durable, and inherently safer than lithium-ion batteries, partly because they don’t use flammable liquids, as lithium-ion batteries do—they don’t catch fire if they overheat or are overcharged so their cooling systems and electronic controls are far simpler. Safety systems can add about 25 percent to the cost of a lithium-ion battery pack, and increase their weight by 50 percent, based on data from the industry group U.S. Advanced Battery Consortium.+
To these inherent advantages, the BASF scientists added improvements to the nickel-based materials used in the batteries. Changing the microstructure helped make them more durable, which in turn allowed changes to the cell design that saved considerable weight, enabling storage of 140 watt-hours per kilogram.+
Lithium-ion battery cells can store far more—230 watt-hours per kilogram in some cases. But when you factor in the added weight of the safety systems, and the fact that much of the energy is held in reserve to reduce wear and tear and allow for energy storage capacity fade over time, that advantage can disappear.+
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German chemical company BASF has acquired Ovonic Battery Co., a wholly owned subsidiary of EV battery maker Energy Conversion Devices Inc.
Energy Conversion Devices, of suburban Detroit, today filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The company sold Ovonic for $58 million in cash in a transaction that closed Monday.
The late Robert Stempel, a former CEO of General Motors, served as chairman of ECD for 12 years before leaving the firm in 2007.
Ovonic, a developer of nickel-metal hydride battery technology, has its headquarters and a battery materials research center in suburban Detroit.
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DETROIT, Mich., October 10 Texaco (NYSE: TX) and General Motors (NYSE: GM) today announced Texaco's intent to acquire GM's share of a joint venture that has developed an advanced battery technology for the automotive market.
Under the terms of the memorandum of understanding, Texaco will acquire GM's 60 percent share of an existing joint venture with Energy Conversion Devices - ECD - (NASDAQ: ENER), a firm in which Texaco already holds a 20 percent interest. GM and Ovonic Battery Company, a subsidiary of ECD, formed the joint venture, GM Ovonic, in 1994 to manufacture and commercialize high-efficiency, nickel metal hydride (NiMH) automobile batteries. The joint venture, which will be re-named Texaco Ovonic, plans to fully commercialize and expand its applications to a broad range of energy markets.
"ECD and Ovonic developed breakthrough advanced NiMH battery technology and General Motors has brought it to the production stage," said Texaco Senior Vice President William M. Wicker. "With the demand for all-electric and hybrid vehicles projected to grow significantly over the next few years, the time is right to extend this technology to the entire automotive market and take it to the next level of commercial development
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH
LockH
1 PW
"'Holy Grail Of Batteries' Discovered?"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.ca/2014/07/holy-grail-of-batteries-discovered.html
(re Li batts, from July last year. From the folks at Stanford U., CA)
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.ca/2014/07/holy-grail-of-batteries-discovered.html
(re Li batts, from July last year. From the folks at Stanford U., CA)
parabellum
1 MW
Is my understanding of construction and processes of Lithium batteries wrong or is this article full of nonsense? :|LockH said:
Clearly nonsense. Writers that don't have a clue how things actually work.
TheBeastie
1 MW
Future batteries need to triple capacity, cut price by 67%.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/02/future-batteries-need-to-triple-capacity-cut-price-by-67/
Stanford's Yi Cui showed a slide that laid out the goals of battery research very simply. Right now, batteries cost about $300 per each kiloWatt-hour of capacity. For the two largest use cases (electric vehicles and on-grid storage), we need that figure to drop to about $100 per kW-hr in order for the technology to compete with fossil-fuel-powered cars and generating facilities. For the grid, where the batteries are stationary, it doesn't matter how much they weigh. But for a more effective electric vehicle, we'd like to see the energy density rise from its present 200 W-hr/kg to about 600 W-hr/kg.
That's tripling the capacity while cutting the price by two-thirds. A pretty tall order....
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If we're still a bit short of the 600 W-hr/kg goal, Cui suggested he is still aiming high. His lab has started looking into lithium-sulfur batteries, which have a theoretical capacity of 2,500 W-hr/kg. Cui is simply seeing if he can form similar shelled structures, akin to the ones he used with silicon, that can get sulfur to behave better inside batteries.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/02/future-batteries-need-to-triple-capacity-cut-price-by-67/
Stanford's Yi Cui showed a slide that laid out the goals of battery research very simply. Right now, batteries cost about $300 per each kiloWatt-hour of capacity. For the two largest use cases (electric vehicles and on-grid storage), we need that figure to drop to about $100 per kW-hr in order for the technology to compete with fossil-fuel-powered cars and generating facilities. For the grid, where the batteries are stationary, it doesn't matter how much they weigh. But for a more effective electric vehicle, we'd like to see the energy density rise from its present 200 W-hr/kg to about 600 W-hr/kg.
That's tripling the capacity while cutting the price by two-thirds. A pretty tall order....
..
If we're still a bit short of the 600 W-hr/kg goal, Cui suggested he is still aiming high. His lab has started looking into lithium-sulfur batteries, which have a theoretical capacity of 2,500 W-hr/kg. Cui is simply seeing if he can form similar shelled structures, akin to the ones he used with silicon, that can get sulfur to behave better inside batteries.
dnmun
1 PW
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/535251/old-battery-type-gets-an-energy-boost/
megacycle
100 kW
I wonder if this is occurring, primarily due to Chevrons patents on NIMH, running out, because if it is, it's another reason to hate companies that suppress progress, for profitdnmun said:
TheBeastie
1 MW
http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/38253/
Watching Dendrites Grow
Personally I have never had a battery burst into flames, but I have had some swell on me, and lose performance. The reason this happens is to do with tiny structures called dendrites that form within lithium-ion batteries, and have proven somewhat difficult to stop. Researchers at ORNL, however, have now, for the first time, imaged the formation of these structures in real time, which could help defeat them one day.
Watching Dendrites Grow
Personally I have never had a battery burst into flames, but I have had some swell on me, and lose performance. The reason this happens is to do with tiny structures called dendrites that form within lithium-ion batteries, and have proven somewhat difficult to stop. Researchers at ORNL, however, have now, for the first time, imaged the formation of these structures in real time, which could help defeat them one day.
TheBeastie
1 MW
Another day and another breakthrough!
New liquid metal alloy that moves around on its own internal power and can change shape at will to get through tight spots is on its way to where we might finally see the Terminator 2 style robot.
Still in the works is making the liquid metal super homicidal evil and the ability to travel back in time to kill its unborn enemies.
[youtube]ErCOTdIruoc[/youtube]
New liquid metal alloy that moves around on its own internal power and can change shape at will to get through tight spots is on its way to where we might finally see the Terminator 2 style robot.
Still in the works is making the liquid metal super homicidal evil and the ability to travel back in time to kill its unborn enemies.
[youtube]ErCOTdIruoc[/youtube]
arkmundi
10 MW
Sakti3... http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=6646#p1021431