Throttle on right side WHY?

[k-harvey]

I cannot understand why anyone would for an e bike kit with mid drive as cyclone & others put the throttle on the right.
Why as the most esential part of performance is to drop the power as one changes gear(even with nuvinci) to make efficient gear change
or shorten the life of the gears.I've had to doctor near all I've had to make the left side & they don't look so good.
Unless the rest of the world has gears on the left, with all i've had never would i bother with the left gears (or front derailer).
7 gears is heaps.

 

[neptronix]

If you just use one shifter ( ie rear derailleur only ), this ain't no prob.. a throttle can be used on the left or right side.

 

[biohazardman]

I prefer the left hand throttle as my right hand is a bit messed up arm was for a bit also. I feel it's better on the left side anyway because as you have mentioned shifting is most often done on the right. Many ways of doing things. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26288&p=395825&hilit=+giant+throttle+shifter+left#p395825

 

[dustyearlobe]

nuvinci is awkward i have to have mine upside down onthe left with cables switched round

 

[flyinmonkie]

I never shift under power. I always let off the throttle to shift and then roll on slowly and smoothly after. This way my chain and dérailleur never get hammered by all that power. It doesn't take than long, and shifts are smooth. It is like learning to drive a manual car, you just need to learn how to do it smooth and quick. I'm not racing, just commuting, so I don't need to shift like an F1 driver.

Clay

 

[turbo1889]

Well, if your in North America and everyone drives on the right hand side of the road and you are constantly using your left hand to signal turns and such it is a real pain if the throttle is on the left side since you then revert to pedal only power every time you have to take your hand off the left grip to signal for a turn. For the same reason I want my rear brake lever (the one that won't send me over the bars on my face if I suddenly slam it on) and the primary rear spool shifter on the right side of the bars as well.

This is especially problematic when you are riding on the paved right shoulder edge of a 45+ mph speed limit high speed highway with a 25mph capable e-bike and are waiting for a break in two lanes of traffic at which point you intend to stick your left arm out to signal and then cross over those two lanes of high speed heavy vehicle traffic during the break in order to get into the left hand turn lane in the center of the highway where you will again wait for a break in the oncoming two lanes of high speed heavy vehicle traffic and complete your left hand turn. Doing a maneuver like that (quite common for me in my commutes) you absolutely want the throttle on your right side so you can keep it pinned down at full power when you take your left hand off the bars and stick it out while you smoothly merge over across the two lanes when there is a gap big enough to do so. You do NOT want the throttle on the left bar which would mean you would have to choose between signaling your intentions and having only pedal power and speed during the maneuver or not signaling or only briefly signaling at the beginning of the maneuver to maintain full throttle power and speed and not having your left arm sticking out signaling your intentions as you glide across those two lanes in the gap to reach the left hand turn lane.

As far as shifting vs. throttle. I shift under pedal power only and having the throttle set-up such that you have to let off the throttle in order to physically manipulate the shifter is an excellent idea in my mind.



Now I suppose, if you rode in a place where everyone drove on the left side of the road then you would want everything opposite so you would have your right hand (traffic side if you as slower traffic are staying towards the side of the road most of the time) free to signal your intentions with all your primary controls available to your left hand which stays on the bars most of the time and isn't used for signaling hardly at all.

 

[John in CR]

Just get a left hand throttle if you want it on the left. They exist because I have some. If your bike has a front tire prone to lift, don't just invert a right hand throttle. One member did that on his little folder, and when it started to go, that probably gave him more throttle and flipped him. A proper throttle helps you to naturally twist to lower throttle when the front comes up.

 

[wineboyrider]

Drive on the right side of the road. LOL
A lot of Triumph motorcycles had the throttle and the foot shifter on the "wrong" side.

 

[k-harvey]

I think Turbo has got it right for all gear changes to being on the right But that does't explain why an e bike kit manufacture would make all their throttles for the right as Taiwan cyclone, or the english Eclipse who as us drive on the left using right arm to indicate.
I don't buy more than is needed but fix it to make performance & right throttle is all cyclone sell & Eclipse as just checked their web. So what I do with each bike unless its not wanted is make, (with what is sold here as a product called ''Need it'', a mouldable epoxy) make a left thumb throttle out of a right twist one, they work great & last. Here's a picture of front view.
I did buy for a guy an extra throttle that broke down but he didn't care where the throttle was.Next part throttle I'll try for one if on the parts list but they are not there at the moment.----left is the way for performance.

 

[turbo1889]

I don't think I said I would want all gear changes on the right. To be honest, gear changes are the least of my worries.

I want my throttle and my rear brake lever (the one I can slam without putting myself over the bars on my face, and/or skid the rear wheel around for drastic maneuvers ) on the right hand side in countries where you drive on the right hand side of the road so I have the left hand free to signal with and still have full control with only the outside road edge hand on the bars. In countries where you drive on the left side of the road I want my throttle and my rear brake lever on the left hand side so I have the right hand free to signal with and still have full control with only the outside road edge hand on the bars.

Given the option I will also put my primary (used most often) gear shifter on the outside road edge end of the bars (depends on which side of the road you drive on in what part of the world). For a conventional two derailer mountain or road bike gearing that would be the rear derailer shifter controller.

For low power builds I prefer a simple push button or trigger on/off throttle that is buried in the front of the grips so that just squeezing the grip with my trigger finger engages the power. To not beat up the drive system I'll try to set up such a simple on/off throttle for a low power build with ramp-up and ramp-down control either programmed into a fancy RC-ESC set-up or with a little bit of variable control in the trigger. The most comfortable low power throttle I have is one I built myself using a variable speed trigger canalized from a dead cordless drill that I had to cut a slot in the front of the bar tube and in the grip to install but it works beautifully and is just a little red plastic trigger in the front of the right front grip right where my trigger finger is that I just simply squeeze to engage. For high power builds I like a 1/4 or 1/2 twist throttle like a motor bike. I don't much care for thumb throttles since I prefer indexing two lever shifters and when you mix one of those with a thumb throttle they can interfere with each other and holding down a thumb throttle makes my thumb tired on long rides.

One note of caution on a squeeze trigger/button throttle set-up you want to set it is a "dead man switch" that must be continuously squeezed to maintain power. Had a little incident with a road bike build I did where I buried an on/off clicky switch in the side of the drop bar grips that I could reach up slightly and tap with my thumb to engage, but I also had to reach back up with the thumb and tap again to disengage. Someone clipped me with their left mirror in traffic trying to squeeze around me on the right to take a right hand turn when I was going straight through with that bike and I lost it and me and the bike separated and it still under motor control continued flying down the road for a little distance but far enough out into the road and careening to the left to put it into the path of oncoming traffic where it was destroyed when it got run over. Thankfully the guy who clipped me with is mirror did the right thing and stopped and that along with witnesses meant that he was found at fault for the accident including the loss of my bike and the damage to the vehicle that ran it over but I won't ever be setting up a button throttle as a clicky rather then a dead man ever again.

 

[Hillhater]

One of the most dangerous actions a bike rider can make...is to give a hand signal !
You are giving up 50% or more of your control over your bike ( steering, brake, throttle, ballance ? ) at a time of increased risk.
Its unavoidable at times, but best avoided whenever possible. :?

Throttle location ? ...good case for a Pedalec ??

 

[turbo1889]

I get a better respect in traffic when I clearly signal, and I've gotten very good at riding with only one hand, I can even brake skid and power skid to tighten turns with just one hand if necessary at this point. For me it is worth it, I agree though that you need to practice being in full control of the bike with one hand while effectively signaling with the other to do it safely.

 

[turbo1889]

Just noticed your screen name. You live in the hilly part of Australia and you hate hills? (I would think you would move to a not hilly part) Even when I was pedal power only, I never hated hills. Didn't like pedaling up them but it was usually worth the rush that came from flying down them on the other side and now with power assisted bikes I can get the thrill of flying down them on the other-side almost completely free of all the trouble that used to come from getting up them on the front side.

 

[Dauntless]

WHY?

To keep our balance, of course. Not on the left is Koyanisquatsi. Life out of Balance.

And how do we keep our balance?

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[Hillhater]

... I've gotten very good at riding with only one hand, I can even brake skid and power skid to tighten turns with just one hand if necessary at this point. ..

Well stunt riders and circus performers are a minority on the roads. :lol:
The average cyclist, commuter, roadie, etc seems to have a problem even keeping the bike in a sensible position on the road,..never mind safe maneuvers. ! :lol:
And yes, i actually love hills...being on the top anyway ! Getting up them has become a real struggle of late..
( Legs are ok, but the old oxygen/blood pump system isnt what it used to be )

 

[melodious]

What's a throttle? :wink:

http://ebikes.ca/store/store_ezee.php

 

[e-beach]

I cannot understand why anyone would for an e bike kit with mid drive as cyclone & others put the throttle on the right.
......

Because most people are right handed and can react faster with the right hand.

 

[k-harvey]

I live on an urban mountain , with views getting up there i enjoy passing other strugling Bikers as with efficient gear change using left throttle power off with each change i don't do less than 20k p hr thats with derailer & 500w ,sometimes when racing the grandkids up have even been in top .The left hands working & the right . The 500w kit is soon doctored so the kids can keep up--or be beaten by grandad.I also ride a quad occationaly with thumb throttle left & just don't even notice that its different ----as i say again its for the most efficient gear change on hill climbing.

 

[mat h physics]

It could have something to do w/ the fact most people have higher dexterity and strength in their right hand.
As an experienced motorcyclist and tech, 75-100% of braking force comes from the front wheel. This would support motorcycles having the front brake on the right, due to the extra strength needed before hydraulic brakes were used.
Also, it would be second nature to 'release' the throttle before engaging the brake.

@melodious Thanks for that tip, something I will strongly consider when going electric. 8)

 

[dustyearlobe]

how do we learn to be right handed is it just easyer to write with the right hand so you can still read what you are writing or am i right in thinking right handed people write right handed right from the of ,,,,right

 

[k-harvey]

Whats a torque sensor , i have 4 e bikes (Not all going though) & any device i can think of that would enable us to get up this Hill I'd have & cannot see how this thing would help---ah::: there is one a little reserve battery. Left hand drive-- left hand throttle right hand signal (or the reverse)& you cannot change gear which can be be done just before as usual. Only way.

 

[lbz5mc12]

I don't know if this helps at all. On my bike I have grip shift on the left for the front derailer and index shifting on the right for the rear derailer. Also on the right I use a half twist throttle. I can hold the throttle in place between my thumb and index finger while I shift through the gears. I've got a 21 speed setup. When I have to stop I shift to the middle chainring and #4 on the back. This gives me a good starting gear. When I start to get up to speed I quickly shift to #7 and after I gain some more speed I shift back to the big chainring. I use this same stop and start method for both hub and chain driven motors.

 

[biohazardman]

Whats a torque sensor , i have 4 e bikes (Not all going though) & any device i can think of that would enable us to get up this Hill I'd have & cannot see how this thing would help---ah::: there is one a little reserve battery. Left hand drive-- left hand throttle right hand signal (or the reverse)& you cannot change gear which can be be done just before as usual. Only way.

Torque sensor senses how hard you are pedaling and sends the signal to the controller so that it can ad/subtract power according to your need/demand. Should be better than a pedelec sensor that only senses the revolutions of the crank.

 

[k-harvey]

nuvinci is awkward i have to have mine upside down onthe left with cables switched round

My Nuvinci is realy realy good (other than battery of the 36v)with left throttle I recomend this for all even if the throttle don't look good