TIRE DUST

kriskros

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TIRES WEAR!!! millions and millions of them 24/7.. microscopic particles of non biodegradable products...ive never seen a pile of tire dust on the road... what happens to those particles???? are they in our air??water??soil? in what we eat?? in us?? is this not a SERIOUS pollutant :?:
 
On my road trip, they wound up covering my lower-half, on my bike, and all over the trailer. For myself – a shower at the end of the ride each day meant they were destined for the sewage plant. As for the bike and trailer, I developed the habit of wiping them down every day to keep the white parts nice and clean with the spare motel washcloth. This I rinsed out in the sink to reduce the blackened effect (again down to the sewage plant) and ultimately off to the washer (gray water -> sewage plant).

I didn’t count lungs/nose/throat, but that’s a good point.

It’s good to ask. KF
 
vanilla ice said:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2661/when-the-rubber-meets-the-road-where-does-it-go

:shock: Never thought about that at all. That's something that even EVs won't be curing anytime soon. Time to put on the thinking-cap. Electric rail has its advantages.
 
What concerns me more than the tire dust is brake dust. I'd bet that stuff is worse for lungs than tire dust. Not that I lose sleep over either of them.
 
Unless you ride a recumbent, you head should be far enough above the flow of particles that the exposure should be minimal. Road debris could be another matter though. Dry wipe is the preferred method to quickly clean off a bike. Water encourages rust, so dry baths only, then polish the wheels.
Brian L.
 
kriskros said:
TIRES WEAR!!! millions and millions of them 24/7.. microscopic particles of non biodegradable products...ive never seen a pile of tire dust on the road... what happens to those particles???? are they in our air??water??soil? in what we eat?? in us?? is this not a SERIOUS pollutant :?:
Does something compel you to use multiple punctuation marks when you end sentences? Is a question with one mark less inquisitive than one with four?
But to the point, I can't decide if you are asking of exclaiming. I'll assume you are exclaiming and saying tire dust is bad and prevalent, but you don't provide any evidence to support your claim. What is the cause for your alarm?
Sure, tires abate into dust and used tire carcasses. It happens at the rate of one tire per per person per year. The dust is not a "serious pollutant" to the general population.
 
I read an article about this decades ago and it stated that they found specialized microorganisms at the side of the road that eat tire dust. But they may only be eating the bulk of tire dust, the trace components may be a problem.
 
"dont provide any evidence"...."not a dangerous pollutant.... do your tires wear down??....one tire per year per person...worldwide??"... 7 billion people = how many tons of non bio-degradable pollutant b uilt up over how many years??? p.s. i am not a wild alarmist....merely a curious questioner concerning a very real situation :mrgreen: color him black
 
vanilla ice said:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2661/when-the-rubber-meets-the-road-where-does-it-go
thanks for the link Vanila...it was very informative..much more so than Nehmo :mrgreen:
 
Nehmo said:
kriskros said:
TIRES WEAR!!! millions and millions of them 24/7.. microscopic particles of non biodegradable products...ive never seen a pile of tire dust on the road... what happens to those particles???? are they in our air??water??soil? in what we eat?? in us?? is this not a SERIOUS pollutant :?:
Does something compel you to use multiple punctuation marks when you end sentences? Is a question with one mark less inquisitive than one with four?
But to the point, I can't decide if you are asking of exclaiming. I'll assume you are exclaiming and saying tire dust is bad and prevalent, but you don't provide any evidence to support your claim. What is the cause for your alarm?
Sure, tires abate into dust and used tire carcasses. It happens at the rate of one tire per per person per year. The dust is not a "serious pollutant" to the general population.

The grammar and typesetting drama queen leaves his/her indelible mark again. :mrgreen:

'I can't decide if you are asking of exclaiming.' Splinters, planks and eyes spring to mind.
 
Yes, We live in a toxic world.
However, We are doing less damage than the average 4-wheel vehicle on the road. No direct emissions and only 2 skinny tires that create less dust. 8) And less noise polution! !! !!!! couldn't resist, Nehmo....
- Mark
 
kriskros said:
"dont provide any evidence"...."not a dangerous pollutant.... do your tires wear down??....one tire per year per person...worldwide??"... 7 billion people = how many tons of non bio-degradable pollutant b uilt up over how many years??? p.s. i am not a wild alarmist....merely a curious questioner concerning a very real situation :mrgreen: color him black
You need to identify who you are quoting when you quote, and it’s important to not mix one quote with another, particularly if the another is something you said. In this Endless-Sphere forum and in similar ones, you can use the “QUOTE” button to the upper right of a post when you reply.
I’ll proceed anyway.
Simply because something is non-biodegradable doesn't make it harmful. Nor does it make it a pollutant. Rocks aren't biodegradable.
If you are simply curious, then research the subject. And, although you say you are not an alarmist, you are definitely suggesting there is a problem. You seem to be basing this on the quantity alone. If you contend that this quantity is bad, then find some evidence supporting the contention that it is bad. Then we can examine that.
 
Joseph C. said:
The grammar and typesetting drama queen leaves his/her indelible mark again. :mrgreen:
....
Punctuation isn't grammar nor typesetting. And if by "queen" you are giving a veiled confession to your homosexuality, it doesn't really bother me. But there are other forums for that.
The subject of this thread is tire dust. Do you have something to add on that subject?
 
kriskros said:
vanilla ice said:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2661/when-the-rubber-meets-the-road-where-does-it-go
thanks for the link Vanila...it was very informative..much more so than Nehmo :mrgreen:
To begin, I’ll disclose that for many years I bought and sold mobile home tires, which, of course, produce dust. But I also personally have asthma (which is controlled), and that should compensate for any bias of mine.
Cecil Adams wrote his tire dust article in '06, and that's when I read it (I began posting to the newsgroup, alt.fan.cecil-adams, under my real name before he wrote that article).
In the course of the mobile home tire business, the subject of tire dust came up from time to time. It's sort of an urban myth (and that's why Cecil Adams addressed it, BTW). Basically, it occurs to someone that a lot of rubber disappears. Then they learn it turns into dust. Then they look for a problem. But I have yet to see definite evidence of one.
[I could give this subject a through response, but it’s not worth it. I’ll be brief.]
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Cecil doesn't cite definite evidence of a problem either, but, as mild fear mongering is one of his interest-generating techniques, he does skew the story some. He centers on the latex allergy issue.
First, I don’t like the phrase “and some think [the issue] is why”. When Cecil says this, it means he doesn’t have a reference. Cecil’s use of the phrase.
In that first paragraph, Cecil notes a rise in latex allergies and a rise in asthma, and then he vaguely correlates this, apparently, but not explicitly, to tire use. His logic is convoluted, of course. He can get away with it because he doesn’t explicitly state a conclusion, but, personally, I want science.
If he had actually studied the issue, he would have concentrated on zinc. Actually, zinc is the most harmful constituent of tire dust. But I’m being brief.
His statistics regarding the latex allergy are debatable. He claims “Somewhere from 1 to 6 percent of the U.S. population has some sensitivity to latex, “ 1% is accepted by American Latex Allergy Association.
In order to make the problem look worse, he doesn’t differentiate the kinds of latex sensitivities. Most are technically not allergies. They are Irritant Contact Dermatitis, and tire dust doesn’t play a role in that.
If we are accusing tire dust latex of causing a problem, it’s form the airborne particulates, and the problem would be form of asthma called Natural Rubber Latex hypersensitivity allergy (NRL). It’s not the contact dermatitis that represents the large part of the "sensitivity" statistic.
He concludes by advising we all should keep our tires properly aired up. Well, I agree.

Another way to look at tire dust is simply to apply common sense. Geetarboy correctly steers toward the real issue when he contrasts the impact of a car to an e-bike. Let’s say an average car drives a year. During that time, _roughly_, it will emit 6,000kg of CO2, 40 kg of Hydrocarbons, 300 kg of CO, 20kg of NOx, plus (I haven’t figured out) carbon particulates, etc. And deriving (again _roughly_) from Cecil’s estimates, 1.5 Kg of tire dust, most of which remains benignly mixed with every other kind of dirt on the ground.

Oh, there are some bacteria that eat the stuff. (<-PDF warning, I didn’t read the thing. I just like linking to stuff and I wanted to follow Gogo's lead.)

Now, regarding your post, kriskros ,Since you don’t state your contention, there’s nothing to argue against. However, you objected to my post on the grounds that a link to the Cecil Adams page was more informative. Well, okay, but is that your whole point?
 
Nehmo...what"contention"???? i was merely asking questions[research] not making definitive statements or speaking from a specific point of view.... sorry if the multiple puctuations befuddled you .... P.S. rocks become sand...bottled water isnt toxic either...sand ,water and many other substances in excess,including tire dust, can become deadly :mrgreen:
 
I always thought that the UV from the sun helped to break down almost anything over time, ozone turns latex rubber into a gas.
 
For every particle of tire dust, there's probobally 10 particles of bitumen dust. Plus the silica dust stirred up by the passing cars, that is well known to be deadly if you get enough of it. The road may be wearing faster than the actual tires.

Just another dang good reason not to bike on those really busy streets.
 
http://www.respro.com/products/industrial/urban-environment/techno_mask/

I'm going to start using mine again. At least just wear it on my neck and pull it on when I have to ride the busy roads. The amount of busses near the university is ridiculous, polluting the crap out of the air.
 
never even considered roads and brakes[just had to buy new tires]...add them to various exhausts and other unknown and unseen pollutants we breathe and WHAT DA HEY!!!!!... our respiratory systems must be evolving rather rapidly for us sustain the mobility and quality of life we have... wonder if Robin Hood and his merry men could survive a walk "downtown" :mrgreen:
 
Depends on the downtown you are referring to. Downtown NY, they might actually live through, Mogadeshu, Bagdad, Oxnard's Colonia district, or I think it's Kansas City? Probably not. Too many bullets, and no safe haven to be had. I'm more worried about the direction some of those tires will be taking, as in towards me! Better yet, how about the tire carcasses lying on the freeway from big rigs? now THAT'S a leftover worth worrying about. Try dodging one of those when it's made up it's mind it wants to become a significant addition to your life! :shock:
Brian L.
 
veloman said:
http://www.respro.com/products/industrial/urban-environment/techno_mask/
I'm going to start using mine again. At least just wear it on my neck and pull it on when I have to ride the busy roads. The amount of busses near the university is ridiculous, polluting the crap out of the air.
The Techno Mask you linked to sells for $47 USD + shipping.
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When I get a $4 disposable, I'm splurging.
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I like the ones with 2 rubber bands and an exhale check-valve.
I don't normally use one when I ride, but winter is getting here and maybe I should.
 
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