Trump supporters admit being tricked.

[LeftieBiker]

I'll repeat myself again, since it's needed.

Electoral college VS public votes in 2016 looked like this:
Electoral votes: 304 for Trump, 227 for Clinton
Popular vote: 46.1% for Trump, 48.2% for Clinton

A large number of electors did not do what they promised to do. The discrepancy was gigantic.
So yes, electors just do what they want. It's not all in my head. My source of information is government records. Look them up if you don't believe me.

The crux of this seems to be that you believe that when the EC has a different vote breakdown than the popular vote, it's because the electors are voting for someone they should not be voting for. In fact it's because the way they are instructed to vote does not line up exactly with the popular vote, NOT because they are disobeying their rules. I suspect that you are confusing the stated reason for the establishment of the EC (to override a popular vote for a tyrant or someone else the founders considered inappropriate) with its actual behavior. In fact the EC has never once, to my knowledge, performed that function - they COULD HAVE in the case of Bush v Gore, but they did not, and that have not done so in at least modern history. One or two Electors have broken ranks once or twice, but never has an election been changed by them, at least in our lifetimes. I'm not going to comb through government records, and since you make the claim that the electors are Going Rogue, then it's on you to provide supporting evidence. Please do so.

 

[ZeroEm]

Would need to find the post, think it was only 2 or 3 EC that voted opposite. No matter the EC has had it's run time to change.

 

[LeftieBiker]

After all of the above, now I see that there is fear that some states with republicans controlling the state government will send electors who have been instructed to vote for Trump regardless of who wins what and when. This election is going to make history - and NOT in a good way...

 

[markz]

Trump has made history, and not in a good way.

On another note, If shoving in a scotus within a yr of election is such a no no, then why didnt Obama make law to state you cant within year of election. Obama must've known some of the older scotus were getting really old. Put that on the list of failures for Obama!

 

[Dauntless]

After all of the above, now I see that there is fear that some states with republicans controlling the state government will send electors who have been instructed to vote for Trump regardless of who wins what and when. This election is going to make history - and NOT in a good way...

The electors come from the party, not the Governor. The Governor certifies whose electors get to go.

 

[markz]

Either way the people have no voice, only a vote so they say anything to get that vote.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

 

[neptronix]

I'll repeat myself again, since it's needed.

Electoral college VS public votes in 2016 looked like this:
Electoral votes: 304 for Trump, 227 for Clinton
Popular vote: 46.1% for Trump, 48.2% for Clinton

A large number of electors did not do what they promised to do. The discrepancy was gigantic.
So yes, electors just do what they want. It's not all in my head. My source of information is government records. Look them up if you don't believe me.

The crux of this seems to be that you believe that when the EC has a different vote breakdown than the popular vote, it's because the electors are voting for someone they should not be voting for. In fact it's because the way they are instructed to vote does not line up exactly with the popular vote, NOT because they are disobeying their rules. I suspect that you are confusing the stated reason for the establishment of the EC (to override a popular vote for a tyrant or someone else the founders considered inappropriate) with its actual behavior. In fact the EC has never once, to my knowledge, performed that function - they COULD HAVE in the case of Bush v Gore, but they did not, and that have not done so in at least modern history. One or two Electors have broken ranks once or twice, but never has an election been changed by them, at least in our lifetimes. I'm not going to comb through government records, and since you make the claim that the electors are Going Rogue, then it's on you to provide supporting evidence. Please do so.

It's the other way around. The election has never been changed by us, because our system is set up so that they decide who the president is. Not us. This is federal law. No matter how much you argue with me or don't believe it, it's reality.

I just gave you evidence of one instance where the electoral college didn't agree with the public in the 2016 election. I'm not sure why you are asking me again for evidence. But let's try again.

Here's bush vs gore.



Here is an impartial list of elections where presidents were elected despite losing the popular vote. It includes breakdowns and numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ons_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

The electoral college disagrees with the public 10% of the time. But they determine who becomes president 100% of the time. Because they can vote, and you cannot.

 

[neptronix]

Donald Trump and George W. Bush are the most recent examples of the electors choosing a president despite the public's wishes.

Again, how do you figure? The public wishes California didn't matter, that was sure reflected in the electoral college. Meanwhile the individual states offered electors for the winner in their state. As they wished. 2016 was an anomaly, there's not usually so many voting off kilter, it'll be well under 1%. The purpose of the electoral college at the time it was formed was that they didn't know HOW to let everyone in each state vote. They would cast 2 votes, the one with the most was president and the second most vice president. Until Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied in 1800.

I figure this because i looked at election numbers - popular vote versus electoral college vote.

Actually the difference between electoral college votes and public votes differs between 0 to 33% pretty regularly.
The difference between the public vote and the electoral college vote was around 20% in 2016.

The difference in the 1996 election between the public and electoral vote was the largest i've seen. Close to a 50% difference.

 

[ZeroEm]

Getting rid of the electoral college should make everyone happy. I don't want the Dem"s to stack the deck anymore than the Rep's, now the Green Party should be allowed to do what ever they want.

 

[Balmorhea]

The difference in the 1996 election between the public and electoral vote was the largest i've seen. Close to a 50% difference.

In 1980, Reagan won 90.9% of the electoral votes on just 50.7% of the popular votes. And the talking heads started talking about his “mandate”, as if under 51 percent constitutes a mandate of any kind.

 

[neptronix]

In 1980, Reagan won 90.9% of the electoral votes on just 50.7% of the popular votes. And the talking heads started talking about his “mandate”, as if under 51 percent constitutes a mandate of any kind.

Holy shit, that's bad. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'll use that as an example in the future about how the electoral college has zero accountability to the public. :thumb:

 

[Dauntless]

Read up on the 1876 election. Democratic governors were replacing one or more Republican electors with Democrat electors. Read up on how it was handled. I don't know if any of these books are good.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=1876+election

 

[markz]

All voters get tricked by politicians, lies happen. We will see what Biden has promised and what he delivers but I noticed he evaded the packing the courts question, which means Biden will pack the courts.

 

[JackFlorey]

We will see what Biden has promised and what he delivers but I noticed he evaded the packing the courts question, which means Biden will pack the courts.

Of course he will. Just like Trump did. It's part of their job.

Trump may not have gained many new supporters tonight, but he absolutely locked down the votes of all the neo-Nazis and white supremacists out there. They are partying tonight.

 

[neptronix]

Trump may not have gained many new supporters tonight, but he absolutely locked down the votes of all the neo-Nazis and white supremacists out there. They are partying tonight.

Because some of those guys were on the fence about voting for a jew and a half black/half asian woman.

 

[nicobie]

Trump may not have gained many new supporters tonight, but he absolutely locked down the votes of all the neo-Nazis and white supremacists out there. They are partying tonight.

Because some of those guys were on the fence about voting for a jew and a half black/half asian woman.

NO, because they got the recognition of the president of the US that they crave.

trump is wanting another night of a thousand knifes. The prick will do anything to stay in office.

 

[Dauntless]

Trump may not have gained many new supporters tonight, but he absolutely locked down the votes of all the neo-Nazis and white supremacists out there. They are partying tonight.

Because some of those guys were on the fence about voting for a jew and a half black/half asian woman.

There's a third party ticket they're anticipating? Biden would only be the 3rd catholic president, I don't think there's an issue of him getting votes because of that. One quarter white, one quarter black, half Indian, I don't think much attention is being paid and playing identity politics against her unlikable personality is a failure.

Bill brings out the rolling eyes for his inability to even make your eyes roll on his nonsense. Ah, Trollobie, YOU delivered the unthinking hatred your "Fans" are always hoping for. Just keep looking in the mirror and telling yourself "You're beautiful, don't ever change."

 

[ZeroEm]

I want a Tibetan Monk for President.

 

[markz]

I want a Tibetan Monk for President.

Good luck with that, instead of long hard days of politicing, its long hard days of prayer and meditation, like Obama did with his 100 rounds of golf, wasting tax payers money with golf meditating.

 

[ZeroEm]

Think you want to say Trump. Trump spends his days playing Golf.

 

[LeftieBiker]

How about a Tibetan Trump, as a compromise?

 

[ZeroEm]

:lol:

 

[LeftieBiker]

Just picture the Dali Lama, with one of Elvis's old discarded wigs.

 

[markz]

Even Elvis used tax loop holes to pay less taxes.

 

[Dauntless]

Think you want to say Trump. Trump spends his days playing Golf.

Uh, NO, actually. Who do you think you are? CNN? He said Obama because he was telling the truth. Hard to speak truthfully about Obama without complaining. His damn golfing, especially. Always causing trouble.

Trump meanwhile brought about the 'Reciprocal Access to Tibet Act,' so maybe they could get here if they had someone to offer. Thanks to Trump. http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/international/6562-nyima-lhamo-urges-president-donald-trump-for-u-s-support-for-tibet

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