Trumpistas will die from Covid at **much** higher rates
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The fingers
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In this political climate, chances of getting another Sunday School teacher in the White House look between slim and none.
nicobie
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John in CR
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Haven't you guys who insist on blaming Trump for the virus ever compared the per capita covid19 deaths to other countries? While there's some difference, it's more than explained by the US's greater health problems of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. Sure Trump said some stupid things, but there's a lot to be said for efforts intended to keep the economy going.
While I've worn a good mask since even before they became mandatory here, they're proving to be relatively ineffective. Sure people should wear them to help slow the spread, but they definitely do not make you safe and aren't the "best precaution", just the easiest to mandate. The best is staying away from other people and out of enclosed spaces where others are or have been breathing.
While I've worn a good mask since even before they became mandatory here, they're proving to be relatively ineffective. Sure people should wear them to help slow the spread, but they definitely do not make you safe and aren't the "best precaution", just the easiest to mandate. The best is staying away from other people and out of enclosed spaces where others are or have been breathing.
nicobie
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People in trump loving states are eating shit compared to the rest. look at the Dakotas with their Sturgis M.C. run where none wore masks and the other red states, until they saw the light and shut down. Compare with similar density Northern Maine.
I now consider mask wearing to be a sort of IQ test. I could care less if you want to commit suicide, just don't take me with you.
Sometimes you can't avoid being around people. We all have to go to the store if we want to eat. We do stock up on what we can but I refuse to give up my fresh veggies and corn tortillas.
I now consider mask wearing to be a sort of IQ test. I could care less if you want to commit suicide, just don't take me with you.
Sometimes you can't avoid being around people. We all have to go to the store if we want to eat. We do stock up on what we can but I refuse to give up my fresh veggies and corn tortillas.
Getting the real Main Street economy going **requires** beating COVID down, ensuring everyone is safe.
Presenting a false choice between the two was always just a cover story for the fact that the Drumpf "administration" never had the competence to effectively respond
as any other administration could and would.
Appointing yes-men bootlickers based on **personal** loyalty to an evil insane idiot, rather than proven executive ability and topic-area expertise
means when a crisis arises no effective response can be mustered.
Presenting a false choice between the two was always just a cover story for the fact that the Drumpf "administration" never had the competence to effectively respond
as any other administration could and would.
Appointing yes-men bootlickers based on **personal** loyalty to an evil insane idiot, rather than proven executive ability and topic-area expertise
means when a crisis arises no effective response can be mustered.
LeftieBiker
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We've gotten groceries delivered since April. I was very rarely shopping at the health food store at quiet times of day - until I encountered a masked woman with an (obviously) unmasked, yelling baby. Now I do curbside pickup from them.
JackFlorey
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Those evil Chinese agents who kidnap people, tie them up and inject them with fentanyl! It's an outrage! Why won't someone DO SOMETHING!goatman said:
Dauntless
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JackFlorey said:
That was supposed to be your job.
JackFlorey
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Which cost a quarter million American lives. What sort of economic numbers justify one more life? $10,000 in GDP? $100,000? A million?John in CR said:
You can decide to sacrifice Americans for profit if you like. America has a long history of putting $$ over lives. Just don't hide behind some bullshit conspiracy theory to make it seem like that's not what we are doing.
People who wore a "mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection" during a study in Thailand. I wouldn't call 70% "relatively ineffective." And that's just one study among over a dozen.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
However, I agree that staying away from people also works well. A combination of all the current NPI's (avoiding people where possible, using a mask when it's not possible, increased sanitation, contact tracing, universal testing) could end this pandemic in two months - even without a vaccine. AND keep the economy going to some degree.
John in CR
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JackFlorey said:
That's total BS. It would have been a quarter million American lives or close to it no matter what Trump did or didn't do. Look at the quite comparable per capita death numbers for countries like Italy, France, Spain, Great Britain compared to the US, and then explain with a straight face that it's Trump's fault. It's just ridiculous. The only thing that could have made a big difference is a total lockdown and closure of borders very early on, when the numbers were low enough for contact tracing, testing, and isolated quarantines to be accomplished and make a big difference... like Taiwan did. Almost the whole world missed that opportunity, but in the US it's all Trump's fault. Taiwan was only able to do so due to their previous experience with the SARS virus.
JackFlorey
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So all countries have a similar death rate? Singapore's is just like Spain's?John in CR said:
The idea that "no one can do anything; it's all hopeless" is absurd. Are you going to claim the same thing about HIV? Condoms don't work and you're going to get it eventually, so why bother with safe sex?
The high death rates are due to Trump's negligence, yes. Look at the per-capita deaths for South Korea, Hong Kong and Australia and try to say with a straight face "nothing anyone does reduces the death rate."
France and Italy? Yes, people who have a tradition of kissing everyone and refuse to wear masks have a super high death rate. People who are willing to work to protect their fellow countrymen have a far lower death rate. Which would you prefer?
John in CR
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john61ct said:
The first link has a 404 error and the 2nd link is to the CDC info. That's the same CDC who for months said that only those who are in contact with infected people need to wear masks. Also a simple short term comparison like that is totally invalid, because where they stand in term of progression of the virus makes a huge difference in infection rates.
The only way to look at it is long-term. Costa Rica has a quite similar per capita infection rate as the US. Masks and other measures were mandated early on and everyone wears masks. For the first month or 2 of the mask mandate many wore only ineffective shields instead of masks, I'd say at least 1/3 wore only a shield. The mandate was changed to disallow shields only along with valved masks, yet there was no improvement in the daily numbers, which I've tracked since the beginning. Sweden still has no mask mandate and they had no lockdown, yet their infection rate isn't sky high.
While there may be some masks that offer pretty good protection, due to comfort and availability they're not what people are generally wearing here, and no doubt it's the same in the US. That's why I say masks are relatively ineffective, and people making such a big deal about them and getting in arguments and fights about it is just crazy.
goatman
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JackFlorey said:
when theyre not doing that theyre having fun microwaving people
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/china-allegedly-used-a-secret-microwave-weapon-on-enemy-troops/news-story/dbd5c6768825a4dfea5ffe7a774722f3
or trying for a genocide
https://www.westernjournal.com/chinas-uighur-genocide-everything-need-know-ccps-human-rights-abuses/
ZeroEm
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We have jumped in cases again over 500 cases per day of the ones tested. Trumpistas can not tell if they have the flu because the Covid is so bad.
LeftieBiker
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Trump will be remembered as the President who encouraged people to get sick and die. His followers will be remembered as those who followed that strong suggestion, taking many, many innocent lives with them.
nicobie
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LeftieBiker said:
Not only are you right, you're God Damn Right.
⚖ LOCK HIM UP ⚖
Or at the least take all his money and make him live south of the border in a frocking cage with those "shit hole Mexican rapists and murderers". ("I'm sure some of them are fine people")
Dauntless
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Some of you ain't gettin' the job done.
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markz
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The Emotional Support Canadians should apologize
nicobie
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Just heard a good blurp on the news from the governor of NM. They got hit early with the virus but seem to be dealing with it better than some others.
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Dauntless
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If you're in New Mexico, thank a Canadian.
LeftieBiker
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Things are so bad these days that if they brought Nixon back from the dead he'd be too progressive to get elected.
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