UK Ebiker riders

Good idea i have already done that, i can make them.Laser printed onto a metallic silver label, very professional looking. :D
If anyone wants a hub motor sticker pm me your address and i'll post them to you.

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Anyone know the legality of a bike using a three position switch where say position 1 is fully legal but the others aren't?

Would it be legal to use it if, for the sake of argument, you only used position 1 out on the road/ path etc?

Andrew
 
I dont see why not however you have to remember if you hit and kill someone then you would have to stand up in court and try and convince them you didnt have switch position 3 selected when you were doing 30 mph, its a tricky one :? I think its better to have such a switch fitted than not, I do something similar, I run a bar mounted pot that I can turn down, it limits the current through the controller on the fly to provide under 200W, a nice feature and something that is good for limiting newbs when they have a go, oh and of course I always ride with it turned down on the roads using full power only on private land. :mrgreen:
 
knoxie said:
I dont see why not however you have to remember if you hit and kill someone then you would have to stand up in court and try and convince them you didnt have switch position 3 selected when you were doing 30 mph, its a tricky one :? I think its better to have such a switch fitted than not, I do something similar, I run a bar mounted pot that I can turn down, it limits the current through the controller on the fly to provide under 200W, a nice feature and something that is good for limiting newbs when they have a go, oh and of course I always ride with it turned down on the roads using full power only on private land. :mrgreen:

Hey Knoxie, that sounds like just the thing for me since I (when my bike isn't in bits) do a fair bit of riding on the road during my commute and I have a constant fear that although I try and ride so as not to draw attention the bike being a heavly over engineered DH bike and my full face helmet seem to get me a lot of second looks especially when I'm on cycle paths I think a lot of people just assume I'm yet another 15yr kid living it up on a pit bike. So to have a pot to tune down the performance would at least help my cause if I was to be pulled over + the letting other people have a go more often than not ends in some very close calls :shock: :lol: so tuning it down for those situations would also be ideal. How though have you wired up the pot to limit the power? I could see how you it could limit the throttle signal range. Is it a special feature of your particular controller or would I be able to do it with my crystalyte controller?

Wurly said:
Good idea i have already done that, i can make them.Laser printed onto a metallic silver label, very professional looking. :D
If anyone wants a hub motor sticker pm me your address and i'll post them to you.

Awsome! 8)
 
If you're going to limit maximum power, rather than just speed, then you really need to get into the controller and mess with the voltage sensed across the shunt to change the current limit. This isn't that hard to do, but would need some doctoring of the controller circuit board. The idea would be to use a shunt that normally gives the lowest current you want, then use a pot across it feeding the current sense port on the controller so that you can turn the current up as required (reducing the voltage seen across the shunt by the controller increases the current limit).

The alternative is to just use a throttle limiter, either using the switched maximum speeds that are already available on the Xiechang/Infineon/Lyen controllers (and some of the Crystalyte controllers that use Xiechang boards) or by fitting a pot across the throttle signal to limit the maximum speed. These mods will still allow the same maximum current, so the controller will still allow a high torque, but will reduce the maximum speed that the bike will go, so it will feel less powerful.
 
Yes thats right, its across the shunt sensing resistor it was a mod that fechter did a few years back, what version of xylte controller do you have? all mine are the old analogue type like this one.

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If you have one of the newer xylte controllers it may have the CA plug on it, if it does then you can reduce it with the CA if you have one. Simply limiting the throttle will only limit the speed not the current/power, it makes the ride a little rough as you can feel the current being limited it does work though and may help you out if you ever get in a pickle.
 
hmmm... I see, yes mine is the newer type of controller but it is a sensorless one, it does have a CA plug but origionally I was put off the buying a CA as apparantly not all of the features would work with the sensorless contoller?? I was told the APM crystalyte display would be a better choice but they didn't have any stock at the time so I went without.

I'd be interested to know if it is possible to mod one of these newer controllers to have a performance pot/swich hardwired to it so switching between modes could be instant and therefore much more likely to get used than if I had to use a CA and navigate menues to change the power.

any Ideas?
 
It should be possible to mod one of the newer controllers to add variable, or maybe just switched, current limiting in the same way as the older ones, with the pot across the shunt mod. I don't have one to hand to take a look and see, though.

The CA is the easy way to go, as you can just programme in a lower current limit and let it do the job for you. I believe this works OK on the sensorless controllers, but a quick email to Grin (ebikes.ca) would give you an answer, I'm sure.
 
I'm building a small circuit that uses an immobiliser transponder - if I'm on the bike the throttle isn't limited and top speed is 25mph. If I'm more than 5m from the bike, the throttle is limited and top speed is 16mph Should I ever have an accident, subsequent testing of the bike will only show it to be a 16mph bike (and the Tongxin motor is stamped @ 180w :) ).

Oh yes, I agree about the Pedelec forums!
 
Mmm the Pedalec forum.....

Im not a youngster but grief they are a bit old fartish.

Tbh honest if don't drive your bike like a tool and respect the other road users no-ones going to bother you.

I can do an 20-30 mph on a normal cycle without assistance having an ebike that compiles with the law actually forces me to cycle slower.

if you kill someone with your bike your going to be in trouble regardless of whether your legal or not :D
 
Dudeofdoom said:
Mmm the Pedalec forum.....

Im not a youngster but grief they are a bit old fartish.

I couldn't have put it better myself.....................

FWIW I'll be 60 in a few months, and am absolutely determined not to turn into one of the Victor Meldrew characters that inhabit that place.
 
Yeah, I saw a thread yesterday in the main pedelec forum titled 'It's spelled PEDAL, not PEDDLE!' I knew right away I wouldn't be going back to that site.
 
Confab said:
Yeah, I saw a thread yesterday in the main pedelec forum titled 'It's spelled PEDAL, not PEDDLE!' I knew right away I wouldn't be going back to that site.

They should have named the thread "PEDANT"............... :D
 
Jeremy Harris said:
I ride around the local city all the time, usually at speeds (on the roads) of 20 to 25 mph. It's not at all unusual for bikes to be pedalled at those sorts of speeds on the flat, so the simple answer to not getting pulled by the police is to look as if you're pedalling. It helps if your ebike doesn't look too obviously bodged together, I'm sure.

Areas where I take care are pulling away from lights and junctions if there are police or PCOs about, as popping a wheelie or out-accelerating the other traffic is a sure fire way to attract attention. I also slow right down on the cycle paths, in fact I tend to pedal along them pretty much all the time, with not much power assistance.

The police presence in my local city is so small as to make the chance of one seeing me remote, may be once in a month or two. In a couple of years of ebiking around there I've not once attracted any attention, apart from interested people coming up to me to chat about the bike when I'm chaining it up somewhere (that still happens a lot).

My advice would be stick to riding at speed on the roads, don't stand out from other cyclists too much, don't play the hooligan on paths or at junctions/lights and I doubt you'll even attract a glance from the police.

I am down in Greenford, near Sudbury Hill, and not too far from Harrow, {West Londin innit} and I think I may have seen 3 Police Cars at best and nobody on the beat. The Police cars themselves are a bit stealth too, they have this grey-red-blue tone that doesn't announce itself as obviously as a plain white or high-viz car might.
 
Ahh goold old Windsor and his report, not happy to f*ck up British Rail he then decides to wreck the Police Force...and help get G4S to privatise it....no conflict of interest at all...it's not like he had anything to gain financially from G4S getting the contracts :roll:
 
Jeremy Harris said:
FWIW I'll be 60 in a few months, and am absolutely determined not to turn into one of the Victor Meldrew characters that inhabit that place.

My dads well older than that, I let him drive the Mitsubishi Evo I had - I don't think I've ever been driven so fast as a passenger.

His only comment after overtaking a few boy racers was 'how embarrassing to be overtaken by a pensioner'.

So you can be old and still have a bit of mischief in you. :twisted:

DoD
 
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