Vee Chicane Tires - Load capability?

[The Speaker Guy]

A question, somewhat specific to the Chicane, but perhaps general with respect to any wider, but lower PSI tire.

I have a 4-passenger trike, currently running Cyclops (and 1 Hookworm after 1 year service). However, I am very interested in the 26 x 3.5" Chicane from Vee.

Does anyone have experience running Chicane tires under high loading? Or more generally, any 3.5" or 4" tire on a pedicab or cargo bike with high loading?

Thanks in Advance
John

 

[The Speaker Guy]

Also, would a tire with beads removed inside this tire increase load handling? Would a 2.5" tire inside a 3.5" tire be OK?

Flats are not much of a problem where I ride, in general.

Thanks

 

[MadRhino]

Generally, the load capacity of a tire does reside in its weight. Duro are heavy, dual ply. Not the only ones of course. Yet, compare tires by weight, if load capacity is your main concern.

Adding a tire inside does not change the load capacity of a tire. This is only for puncture proofing. A foam insert though, does improve the tire’s resistance and handling under load.

 

[The Speaker Guy]

Thanks MadRhino;

I did not know about the foam inserts, but likely is no go due to tubeless requirement.

I wonder if Mr Tuffy liners would help improve load. As I recall, radial tires worked well because their sidewalls were more compliant than bias ply tires. The tire liner would increase the tread stiffness a bit.

Based on Amazon reviews, it seems nobody noticed an increase in rolling resistance, but I trust ES peeps a bit more than Amazon.

 

[amberwolf]

Liners of any kind aren't going to change load capability.

That's all up to the carcass of the tire itself, and it's bead, and how well that seats into the rim, etc. so that it transfers the load from the rim to the ground.

Higher pressure holds up bigger loads, but also stresses the tire carcass more, and eventually could cause blowout, especially if there's something pointy under it like a rock. :/

 

[MadRhino]

Thanks MadRhino;

I did not know about the foam inserts, but likely is no go due to tubeless requirement.

Yep. Foam inserts are part of tubeless system for bicycle tires. Without them, bicycle tubeless tires would need to be made much heavier, to match the bead hook reliability that tube type has. The insert does press the tire against the rim, so good that tubeless rims are beadless yet the tire can ride deflated without popping off the rim.

 

[Bullfrog]

New Vee Chicane is rated for ebikes at 50 KPH according to an email I got from Vee.

I like the black tire better than the skinwall...carbon black is OK with me :lol: and is probably stronger.

But I can't find the new Chicane 26x3.5 "Black" part number 38501 anywhere. Has anyone come across one?

 

[markz]

You may have to switch it up and go to a smaller motorcycle/moped rim with suitable tire of your requirements.

A 1.40 wide rim is easily purchased, along with a 1.60 width rim, and once you get into the 3.00" wide tire, lots available for purchase. Not sure what a 19" x 3.00+ setup is diameter wise. Of course you could go 21" rim but the end result is a diameter larger then 29" which is a 26" fat setup. Dont even bother looking for a 20" rim, they are old antique's. I know there has been some people that have found 20" but its too odd, high price s/h, high purchase price or a combo there of.

 

[Bullfrog]

For the original poster...most bicycle tires don't have the load rating available or on the sidewall.

The highest load rated "bicycle" tire I have been able to find is the Schwalbe Super Moto-X 27.5x2.80....load rated for 155 Kg per. Even Schwalbe's fat tires 26x4.00 are not rated for as much as the Super Moto-X. When I asked Schwalbe about them, the said the Super Moto-X was designed for a cargo bike .

If you need more than that...markz probably has your answer with a moped/motorcycle tire.

 

[MadRhino]

For the original poster...most bicycle tires don't have the load rating available or on the sidewall.

Tire load capacity is directly related to tire weight/size ratio. When no max load is spec, like bicycle tires, it is the only way to know which are likely to stand higher load. Not the biggest tire, the one that is heavier by size.
Eg.: If a 24X3.0 does weight 1350g, it is much stronger than a 24X4.0 that is about the same weight. To make the 4.0 equal strength, it would need to be 25% heavier.

Then, there is part of the weight that is on the sole, thus a mud tire can’t compare with a slick since a much bigger part of its weight is on the sole. Similar threads only can be compared by weight. Yet, if a slick is close to a mud tire for weight of the same size, it is stronger for sure.