waste of time. don't bother.

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I haven't been keeping good track, but I have a few old packs that don't have more than 300 cycles that are getting hard to keep in balance. They are old enough that 15c was the rage though, sheesh I guess that makes them probably 3 years old now.
 
johnrobholmes said:
I haven't been keeping good track, but I have a few old packs that don't have more than 300 cycles that are getting hard to keep in balance. They are old enough that 15c was the rage though, sheesh I guess that makes them probably 3 years old now.


John..are these Turnigy packs or Zippy packs that were used on your bikes in high ah packs? This is what we want information on, The modern
chem lipos not ones 2-3 years old.

KiM
 
I can't say which brand they are, since I took the packing off of them long ago. I can say all of my newer zippy and flightmax packs are doing well, although two of the flighmax that I left on a shelf for a few months are both showing two bad cells in each pack.

Who is to say these 20ah cells are anything near fresh? They may have been shelf queens for the past year or two.
 
johnrobholmes said:
Who is to say these 20ah cells are anything near fresh? They may have been shelf queens for the past year or two.

I think there is something wrong them, I am anxious to see some tests on these to verify what they are
before i jump in i haven't got the $$$ to waste thanks to those to do once again though ;) ...

This is the rest of the email reply i received anyway:-

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KiM
 
I'm wondering if its just coincidence the EC Energy and EC power names are similar? A few of us have already tested some EC power packs.. LFP and garymedia have IIRC.
 
something's reaaaaaallllly odd about all this, why did she lean away from 20ah? too many dead cells? will it give her a bad rep? 10ah are more reliable i take it?

Somebody had the bright idea of asking yan if she'd hike her prices up to 270$ per piece after the new year.(either a rogue seller saboteur wanting to ruin it for everyone else..or someone who doesnt know what they're doing) After consulting her manager about their 'new' stock, she promised she would next year. seriously... business skills people...if i was selling the equivalent of a kidney (in the ev world), and I suddenly found myself swarmed with moneywaving people who all haven't got one... if someone asked me 'are you gonna raise your price the first chance you get, because we'll be totally cool if you do * lol*'? I'd raise my price, that was a stupid question whoever asked it, demand = an increase in pricer per unit supplied, we're screwed if she hikes it up past hobbyking's prices if it's a genuine product... as nobody will reasonably buy that product beyond the $109 price she currently has. Somebody also linked her to this thread. :roll:

anyway, fortunately, lipo is a very intolerant substance, 109$ is actually a good price bringing them more customers to use a dangerous battery that big on an ebike that you 'sit on'. I explained that to her...hopefully the new stock won't be hiked up otherwise i'm out.

PS: my cousin imports/exports stuff from ningbo port in china, so I've asked him to find hobbyking's source and am waiting for his email, maybe we can cut that price further down the line, cut all these middle-people out of the equation and find the real factories that sell at the $50 rate per 20ah.
 
novembersierra28 said:
Somebody had the bright idea of asking yan if she'd hike her prices up to 270$ per piece after the new year.(either a rogue seller saboteur wanting to ruin it for everyone else..or someone who doesnt know what they're doing) After consulting her manager about their 'new' stock, she promised she would next year.

I might be new to ebikes, but thats actually really common practice. A lot of companies do it, even big names; it may not seem that logical, but the idea behind it is to increase main stream circulations of the product in question, also to lore first adopters to buy more. I don't know much about the batteries, but this Yan person, besides her broken english, seems to be your average marketer- which to say, she might not lie to you, but you might not be given the whole truth.
 
I'm sorry if we stepped on people's toes, given that the specifications that we gave on the range (30miles on 10ah), was specifically supplied with the 'lowest' power option programmable down to 250watts... this was held in mind as a low power option and absolute maximum range without pedalling.
I would be much obliged if people can help me fix that question on range, gradients, etc..flat surface or not, and clear up the issues involved in addressing the longevity and range of battery packs in general. This can avoid mishaps and issues arising from poorly compiled data (is my math right? questions of that type).

I aim to do this to firstly, resolve any concerns, any issues,

if you could possibly ''beta test'' my information, and bring up help along the way so I can fix the errors,

then I can post it to the web

Kind regards

John
 
um.. you're the guy responsible for that crappy eBay listing that exploited user's videos??
 
Yes he is.

I think maybe he's trying to come clean and start over the way he should have from the beginning?

Katou
 
The most accurate way to estimate range for a high voltage battery pack is to mix salt with a little water and spread that evenly on your fingers. Then grab the bare negative battery lead with that hand, and press the positive lead firmly under your tongue.

A live video feed would be a nice touch.
 
Since he's a member here he can't be all bad :? If you're trying to pull that used-car-salesman BS though, it won't happen here. If you send me a kit I'd be happy to give it an honest go and give you some real numbers. It's not fair to the casual shopper when they see outlandish numbers like this.
 
katou said:
I think maybe he's trying to come clean and start over the way he should have from the beginning?
Novembersierra28 made this comment earlier today after he was identified:

Doctorbass gets his batteries 'STOLEN' from a battery service center by his uncle :shock: :shock: :shock:

Click Here to See his Post

The thread is locked, which is good, as it will be a lasting check-mark about this person's foul character.

Now, here is the truth about Doctorbass:

Doctorbass said:
I paid 2500 $ of ebike equipment to my uncle and few of his collegue to in thanks for these battery!

So these battery are not free for me.. and i'm glad to have pay that to them.. they know about my future electric car project! and they are glad to supply me these battery and to avoid them to pay for sending them to the reclycling cause the process for recycling is complicated and requier expensive equipment.

That give a second life for these battery and avoid sending alot of great cells to the recycling and destroy them! :shock: Doc

I do not take kindly, novembersierra28, when you personally misrepresent the character and honesty of one the the best ES members we have. :evil:

This type of immature & angry personal attack that is meant to harm, insult, and abuse with a lie should not be tolerated on ES. If you don't publicly apologize for this flagrant untruth, then you will be the making a big mistake for your own sense of worth and integrity.

Think seriously about it, humble yourself, put yourself on probation :oops: , and just seriously learn and contribute to ES in ONLY A POSITIVE WAY from now on... I don't think you should be selling anything "eBike related" for the time being considering what has just happened by your doing...

imho :|
 
Includes 1 x 72v 20ah Lifepo4 high power 30C cells
Battery Pack:(not included) Triangle or rear mounted 66v 20AH battery pack with Battery Management System

Which? 72 or 66? included or not?

Vehicle Range:
45-60 miles at 35mph*
20-25 miles at 55mph*
* 185 lbs rider on flat pavement with no pedaling

The lower end of those ranges would both require a significantly larger battery.

No way to know if the speeds or climbing are accurate - you say they are custom wound motors.

The electronic components used in this kit are rated to last from 4-5 years of daily 20mile commutes.
So you are talking 15mph/250watt legal commuting? Did anyone rate them for 6000W, 12000W, 55mph? the manufacturers?

Any standard bicycle can be fitted
Is that true? What is a standard Bicycle? Retrofit a Raleigh 3-speed? A $100 BMX bike the boy left in the attic? Its certainly unsafe to install on most of the standard bikes out there as you'd want upgraded brakes or even brakes at all and a HD steel frame.

2WD kit typically will last 5 years of daily use, All our kits are stress tested.
Can't you use the actual data from your stress testing to specify actual ranges and max speeds? What was the stress test for this kit like?

With Two Wheel drive, both tyres spin at 3:4 ratio, gripping the road surface, snow is safer to cycle on
3:4 relative to what? Have you ever ridden a 100 pound bike on snow? Besides considerable athleticism it requires precise throttle control. With one throttle controlling both wheels you don't have that.

It looks incredibly dangerous. Could rid the world of some morons, or turn them into expensive vegetables. But hapless bystanders look out.

I hesitate to hit submit, I don't want you to rewrite the ad so its more believable to the same average joes you aimed it at. I'm hoping you'll see the misrepresentations here and re-think the whole thing. Leave out all the bogus claims and implications that its legal or appropriate for a commuter and emphasize the danger and expertise and right bike selection required.
 
Received one of these batteries today (for those of you who do not know, I am an expat living in Hong Kong):
EC size.jpg
compared to 4 off 6s5000mAh:
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EC size comp 2.jpg
Start of charge and balance:
EC charge start.jpg
End of charge:

Now off for a ride on a Cyclone 500W powered bike.
 
Nice work, there are a lot of us who are interested in seeing what sort of performance you get from these cells.

Jeremy
 
Mine still haven't arrived. :(

I'm excited to see how many amp-hours you pull out of them!
 
wtf is going on? is this a joke?

Going off the eBay listing it looks like basically a scam.. what looks like 100% unfounded claims, deceptive videos, no pictures of the actual product itself, but pics of other products!!

Man, what is up with people on this forum this month? YPedal must bee keeping busy..
 
Let me take a guess at reality.

After you pay for the kit, an order is placed for a front and rear off-the-shelf 9C motor in whatever wind (he has not idea what would be optimal anyhow). Maybe alters phase wires at least? (or maybe better left stock...)

A pair of controllers is hopefully purchased from Lyen (we've seen his soldering skills...)

Throttle, battery (hopefully something professionally assembled from Cell_man) and other bits are purchased.

Parts are shipped to buyer. The buyer assembling it is going to be baffled by the inherent issues of running two controllers off a common throttle (which requires a clever method to ground-isolate or they don't function correctly together).

If buyer tries to use even half that power level in the front hub, it's going to be a critical life-safety issue. If you use a suspension fork, unless an elaborate custom sleeve is created to distribute the torque to a higher point on the fork, the fork is going to work-harden and fail over time, even if the bolts never loose tension etc. If you run a steel rigid fork, it can be strong enough, but riding a bicycle at 40-50mph with no front suspension simply equals a serious injury pending (yet likely less severe than if the end breaks off a suspension fork).

If you look over the history of the 2wd bike you copied the videos from, you will notice the first version was a lameo chopper style bike, spun it's hub out multiple times, got wrenches welded onto the steel fork for torque arms, and then shortly after the fork broke. Then onto the cruiser bike, elaborate custom torque-arms from strong wrenches welded together and proper fasteners. Ripped the fork drop-outs and came off in the very video you copied (and edited out that part).

We called this sufficient testing on the 2wd concept to call it a failure (because a front hub is suitable for low-power ONLY), as going to the rear motor alone eliminated the failures, made handing loads better, and had no performance difference from just dumping the power into a ventilated rear hub.



If you want to do something special, learn the art of winding a motor, vent the covers (in a way that minimally weakens them) and silicone a mesh screen in place to prevent objects from getting into the flux-gap area. Then hand-wind a copper-fill optimized wind on a hub laying each turn in by hand with 200C rated wire, then rip out the halls, replace with real honeywell halls that are reliable and have a high temp limit, solder them in with high temp solder and teflon jacketed wire, and mount a thermistor inside the motor attached with silicone to the back of the copper end-turns. Run 10awg phase leads out of the axle, and pot every possible chafe point with a high temp flexible epoxy on both ends, then terminate with some 6-8mm barrel connectors.

Then you've got a motor that would be greatly more efficient, and easily have 2-3x the continuous power handling of a stock 9c, and it would be worth paying the 500% mark-up for.
 
liveforphysics said:
If you want to do something special, learn the art of winding a motor, vent the covers (in a way that minimally weakens them) and silicone a mesh screen in place to prevent objects from getting into the flux-gap area. Then hand-wind a copper-fill optimized wind on a hub laying each turn in by hand with 200C rated wire, then rip out the halls, replace with real honeywell halls that are reliable and have a high temp limit, solder them in with high temp solder and teflon jacketed wire, and mount a thermistor inside the motor attached with silicone to the back of the copper end-turns. Run 10awg phase leads out of the axle, and pot every possible chafe point with a high temp flexible epoxy on both ends, then terminate with some 6-8mm barrel connectors.
Has anybody documented this in video and/or detailed pictures on ES from start to finish on a 9c or 5x or ?

Thought someone would know, off hand, and can point to it...

Thanks! 8)
 
that would seem to point towards 10ah capacity, would it not?
There must be something wrong with the numbers.
I compared the volume of 4x 5000mAH 6s 20C turnigy cells and got 1421x 10³ qmm.
These wonder cells have a volume of 975 x 10³ qmm, which is 40 % less.
Also the weight is 1kg less, again a 40% advantage...

Even when we concider a huge packaging advantage, these cells would be a major breaktrough in technology and couldn't be that cheap.
-Olaf

and that would correspond to those suspicions... anyway, im just speculating, can't wait for another hyperion charger report on the batts, or lfp's definitive analysis.
 
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