WHAT KIT TO BUY

Tdr19730

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I have read two ebike building books and the diy battery book.
What I am looking for is so advise on which vendors can be trusted on Alibaba or Amazon for ebike kits and batteries.
I just can't afford the kits I find listed in the books.
I want a front wheel 500 or 750 watt motor and either 36 or 48 volt battery with a thumb throttle.
Installing on a 1970's Gobby trike.
Any help would be appreciated
Thank you
Ted
 
EM3EV.com for the battery. The motor kits all seem usable enough for how cheap they are.

Edit: Cheap batteries can be such garbage after a year, that it's just not worth the risk. EM3EV at least lets you choose what model of actually good cells to use, even incorporates individual cell fuses just in case, and offers smart battery management systems that let you confirm the voltages of each cell group with your smartphone. Very nice compared to just hoping that the BMS is working properly.
 
Battery: Unit Pack Power and OSM Power on Alibaba/Aliexpress
YESCOMUSA for your motor kit
Leafmotor and Leafbike is worth a mention also, the 1500W is real popular!
Do not go front wheel, always go rear wheel hub motor, ALWAYS!


Tdr19730 said:
I have read two ebike building books and the diy battery book.
What I am looking for is so advise on which vendors can be trusted on Alibaba or Amazon for ebike kits and batteries.
I just can't afford the kits I find listed in the books.
I want a front wheel 500 or 750 watt motor and either 36 or 48 volt battery with a thumb throttle.
Installing on a 1970's Gobby trike.
Any help would be appreciated
Thank you
Ted
 
It's a Gobby Trike. Front wheel might be the only way.

What kind of brakes does this trike have? Front rim and rear coaster? I hope it has the front rim brakes at least. Even so, I bet the original designers never expected the bike to go much over 10 mph. Is it all steel? A steel front fork is far better than an aluminum one for front motor.

If you live in flat country, with no real hills, a 500W motor is fine. I don't think you need to spend more than $200 for one. Keep your speed down. Aren't trikes prone to tip when they corner fast?
 
The frame is steel. Front rim brake, rear coaster.
Has three speed built in transmission, not derailer,(sp).
The bike will even totally go to my handicapped, muscular dystrophy, daughter.
Thanks for all the help
 
Perhaps a small geared front motor with a KT controller and LCD limiting the top speed to 10 mph. I think they do have speed limiters. I've never invoked them.

I hear stories of people in Florida going 20 mph on Schwinn Meridians with $200 yescomm 1000W motors.
 
The only suitable kit out there for trikes is sold by E-Bikekit.com. It has a slower than normal front motor, so you dont exceed the 15 mph safe speed limit for adult trikes. ( delta trikes) So you get safe top speed, but the full 750w power to climb hills.

Sure, you can go faster, my first ebike 11 years ago was a 30 mph schwinn. You just could not steer at all by 20 mph. No problem, who needs to steer at 30 mph?

The kit is pricy. But it comes with at least one handy additional feature, reverse. If you do go with something cheap from ali express, then make sure you get 36v not 48v. And then, get a display that allows assist levels, and use only the lower levels of assist till you are climbing a big hill. Do it this way though, and you have less power most of the time.

I'm not joking about the speed limit. One trike rider from the forum hit a tree because he went down a hill too fast. So be careful going down big hills.
 
docw009 said:
Perhaps a small geared front motor with a KT controller and LCD limiting the top speed to 10 mph. I think they do have speed limiters. I've never invoked them.

I hear stories of people in Florida going 20 mph on Schwinn Meridians with $200 yescomm 1000W motors.

I think this is a good economical idea. I have a KT LCD 5 on my bike and it is set to cut power at 28 mph to conform to AZ ebike laws. This works perfectly fine. You can also limit acceleration by dialing back maximum current.

A table tennis friend of mine has the same KT LCD 5 on his Firefly attachment that turns his wheelchair into a powered three wheeler.
https://riomobility.com/firefly/
 
I checked the yescomusa kits and all the 36 volt kits are out of stock.
Couldn't I use a 48 volt kit and drive it with a 36 volt battery at a lower top speed.
I'm thinking the cassette could be removed from a rear wheel kit since the trike is driven from a center chain/sprocket, leaving the motor available to use on another bike in the future when a 36 volt kit becomes available.
I am an A&Pmechanic but this is my first bike conversion.
Thanks i advance.
Ted
 
The problem would be the controller's cut-off voltage for a 48v controller will typically be between 40-41 volts. But a 36 volt battery starts at 42v and discharges to 33v or less near "empty". So the 48 volt system will cut off power way sooner than you want and you won't get very far. You really need a 36 volt controller.

Alternatively, you could install a DC boost converter as I have done. I'm running a 48 volt system using 36 volt batteries. I did this because I could get a lot of 36 volt "hoverboard" batteries cheaply . You can click on my signature to see what I've done. I've been generally pretty happy with the boost converter.

Having mentioned this, I can't say that I'd strongly recommend my DC booster approach - especially for a first build since it involves extra complexity and more thing to potentially go wrong. It's fine for me since I like to tinker and enjoy the unusual. But even so, I've been thinking about going on a long distance trip on my bike, and if I do, I'll probably install a controller that can work at 36 or 48 volts. That way if my boost converter fails a gazillion miles from nowhere, I can just switch to a pure 36 volt system by bypassing the booster. I wonder if any of the kits you are looking at have controllers that work at both voltages. If so, that'd be the simple and easy way to go.
 
Tdr19730 said:
I want a front wheel 500 or 750 watt motor and either 36 or 48 volt battery with a thumb throttle.
Installing on a 1970's Gobby trike.
If your trike looks like the attached images I found in a google search, then a front motor with a rim the same size as what you already have is the only easy option, and as noted, you wouldn't want to run that trike very fast. 10MPH is about the fastest I'd recommend, unless you're on a path that guarantees you don't need to swerve or turn even a little bit without slowing way down (to about 5MPH for any kind of turns, unless you're good at riding it on two wheels, based on my experiences).

If you can bring the COG way down, putting all the weight down low under the trike frame for batteries, etc. preferably out towards the sides next to the rear wheels, you'll be able to turn faster on it, but not by a lot. If you can rebuild the cargo area in back so it's floor is below the axle as far as possible without scraping the ground, curbs, etc, then whenever it's loaded up with stuff it'll also be able to turn at faster speeds. Once I got the SB Cruiser trike's COG low enough and spread out wide enough, I've been able to turn at 16-18MPH safely, and faster on certain wider turns.


You can't use a rear hubmotor on the trike, unless you change out the front fork for a wider (fatbike) fork. The rear wheels are single-sided axles, so the hubmotor would have no support on one side, and would probably break the axle quickly. If it is a "live axle" design, then a hubmotor wouldn't work at all on the rear, because the axle is part of the trike, not part of the wheel, and a hubmotor's axle is integral to it.


If you use the original fork, I also recommend a torque arm on each side of the front fork for the hubmotor, because the kind of dropouts that fork has are not very strong, or deep, and even low torque, with repeated accelerations, can spread them apart and the motor axle can force its' way out of them (or spin out and rip the cables). Been there, done that. :/



I also recommend a "slow wind" motor, but you can use a faster wind at a lower voltage, or if you can limit your speed either yourself by throttle, or a speed limiter in the controller or something like the Cycle Analyst, it should be safe enough.

FWIW, Grin Tech http://ebikes.ca has controllers that run at multiple voltages, as do other places; some versions of the Sunwin controller have jumpers (see the Sunwin thread somewhere here on ES). Some of them are "auto detecting", meaning you plug in the fully charged battery and turn on the system, and it "knows" what voltage it is, and sets it's LVC accordingly. (but if you plug in a nearly dead 48v battery, it may think it's a 36v battery, and if the battery's BMS doesn't work right or it doesn't have a BMS, the controller won't shut down and it will damage or destroy the battery). Some use a jumper inside the controller, somewhere on the board, that you solder across to tell it. Some are programmable from a computer via USB-serial cable, like the KunTeng KT series controllers.


Mostly it depends on your needs for what you want the trike to do for you; we need to know that to really recommend specific items.


The one thing I wouldn't cheap out on, though, is the battery. Everything else can be uber-cheap and still work fine for years, but cheap batteries have a tendency to not be as reliable.
 

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ebikekit.com for the kit. seriously. And its not because I used to work there. Its because Jason is the only US supplier for kits actually designed for trikes.

EBK has seriously researched what trikes need, supplies Worksman and Sun with trike kits, and has expanded into selling complete trikes of all types. They are your tike motor guys.


If you ride slow, and don't go farther than 6 miles round trip, you can actually use 36v 12 ah lead batteries for your trike.
 
ebikeling has inexpensive 36V direct drive and geared kits. I just installed a 1200w front wheel direct drive kit on a cruiser (IGH), and am impressed by the quality/price ratio.
 
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