sendler2112 said:
Germany already has nearly 2X wind and solar capacity but it averages about 40% of electricity annually. Which is only 9% of their total primary energy annually.
.
Scale
.
Exactly, and if you look on more exact websites you will see the "name plate installed capacity" on a lot of states is significantly off what Electricitymap says..
For example, EM for Victoria says it has 1.27GW installed capacity for wind.
But Anero shows 1.74GW installed capacity for wind, which Vic has had online for about 2 years.
https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy
https://www.electricitymap.org/?wind=false&solar=false&page=country&countryCode=AUS-VIC&remote=true
Similar gaps for other states, SA has 1.929GW installed wind which has also been its capacity for about 2 years.
This is why I find the possible mere theory that renewable groups that don't like electricitymap remarkable, because electricitymap is literally lying to make wind/solar look better than it really is, which is, of course, typical to see just about anywhere.
New report from the ABC on Solar panels in Australia.
Normally if ABC says anything remotely negative about renewable energy at all the person ends up losing their job.
So I am surprised to see this report from the ABC, I think a tiny amount of honesty crawled inside them, my theory is just guilt of association for being so extreme pro-renewables over the years.
Report on Solar panels in Australia, turns out the solar panels in Australia are only lasting 8-9 years, they now just dump them in the ground.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/23/if-solar-panels-are-so-clean-why-do-they-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/#1df9f155121c
https://youtu.be/0L_lzUhitx8
[youtube]0L_lzUhitx8[/youtube]
From the report, it makes it clear they are going to bury the core panel that no longer functions, and recycle the aluminium frame parts etc. But it's pretty clear the core panel can NOT be "reused", or else it would be, no one wants them, because they obviously do not work.
Australia typically ships overseas huge amounts of any kind of recyclable materials including old tech like computers etc, because the cost of gas/electricity to do local deep level material recycling locally has become too expensive. Fact is no one wants these solar panels.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-27/sa-recycling-business-power-bills-rise-causing-closure/8654638
^This local materials recycler in SA shut down because their power bills to recycle were too expensive, sudden increase of over $1million dollars a year, this is all part of a false economy and arguably a low IQ 3rd world dysfunctional/chaotic style state situation, this is what happens when completely dumb ideas via protected broadcast media takes over, just like the solar panels no one at the ABC will take responsibility for their extreme pro-solar push they instigated over the last 10 years because the ABC is also a false economy.
False economies built on top of false economies lead to a corrupt core, this is the refined end product of typical socialism/communism, maybe it should all just be called corruptionism, keep it simple...
Of course its always more complicated, some things have no market, on the whole green jobs and UBI debate etc, it would possibly be more productive just handing out money for nothing, because if solar panels are going to be buried in the ground every 8 years, the environment would no doubt be better off with no solar panels and just paying people the pretend savings/dividend instead.
Also initially for the first guy, it covers issues about solar inverter replacement costs, I am convinced this is also a significant problem as well as poor quality solar panels. There are plenty of grid level Photovoltaics solar systems in the desert areas etc where they underperformed significantly in some periods that it was a clear that a part of the large grid solar setup had inverter failures which of course would be very expensive to replace, adding to the total cost of ownership.
Sure, perfect quality well made solar panels could last 25 years, but its ALWAYS about the real-world data just like "capacity factor performance" on wind vs Nuclear etc the differences are simply massive when it comes to the actual generation MWh data.
This thread almost should be renamed to "real-world data on Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear vs theoretical that never happens". I continually stress the importance of real-world data or else people just get hopelessly biased on the subject, this is really what this whole thread is all about.
I know a guy who bought some second-hand solar panels (everything else brand new like new inverter etc) and we were both shocked at how bad the performance was even during the summer, somehow a lot of panels do break down in performance, on a level you would not believe. The solar panel business is the PERFECT business to deliberately manufacture cheap/poor quality panels and install a product designed to only last about 8 years so that they can disappear with the money in that long multi-year timeline, this situation is likely to always happen, forever.
The ABC video report also mentions the epidemic of 600,000 "solar orphans", where folks have after a few years ended up with broken or poorly performing solar products and no way to claim warranty.
ABC 7:30 reports on renewables have been ridiculously supportive of solar and wind renewable technologies over the last 10 years, to a point that its just silly, so its possible this ABC 7:30 report was honest for the first time based out of guilt from bad reporting from the past and to also help force light and honesty on the subject.
If you want a "1 minute window" into the typical reporting ABC does basically every day on climate change and renewables check out this video, I downloaded it for times like this, because ABC is incredible/ridiculous when it comes to pro-renewables and climate change alarmism. It is propaganda and brainwashing, all broadcast media do it, some a lot more than others.
https://youtu.be/hTkBg7JJBo0
New article from Shellenberger: The Dirty Secret Of Renewables Advocates Is That They Protect Fossil Fuel Interests, Not The Climate
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/03/28/the-dirty-secret-of-renewables-advocates-is-that-they-protect-fossil-fuel-interests-not-the-climate/#1ad3f6be1b07
Fermi Energia of Estonia has selected Moltex Energy as its preferred technology for its plans to establish carbon-free energy production in the Baltic region. Moltex Energy said yesterday that the two companies had signed a Memorandum of Understanding which expresses their intention to work together, including a feasibility study for the siting of a Moltex advanced reactor and the development of a suitable licensing regime.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Estonia-to-study-siting-of-Moltex-advanced-reactor