Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

Ianhill said:
I honestly i think a majority of the oil burning could be transfered to nuclear quite easy,

If i was to settle a plan it would look like oil for agricultural use only in 10 years with compliant emission vehicles and testing not so much fining owners but decommission any none compliant with incentive to replace, move as much deliverys back to rail as possible limit internal flights where possible encourage electrical tramway guided buses to local counsils keep making small steps to make a big outcome.
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That is the kind of idealistic plan i would expect a from a Government transport adviser . !....it sounds good but in reality it is not practical or feasible.
Transportation and distribution are what they are as the result of numerous different attempts to improove them.
The UK used to have a much more extensive rail network for the movement of goods from source to consumers, and for passenger movements... most village communities had a rail station. But, improvements in road networks and transport costs soon made it apparent how inconvenient and uneconomic the rail system was...Hence the mass closure of much of the non-mainline rail system in the 1960s.....
..returning to that distribution system would be a huge step back in logistics and a huge increase in costs for all products transported.
Rail/Tram/ bus for mass transport works in Urban areas, but again are uneconomic and inconvenient for anyone outside those frequent close Urban networks. Personal transport is essential for many outside urban areas, and whilst that could be EV technology, bear in mind the limitations that will restrict the sales of EVs..
I doubt that any one alive today will live to see much more than a 50% penetration of EVs into the transport sector.
 
Lmao id never work in goverment it would bring me to tears its all valid points and its nice to know the history of the rail like you have clearly looked into to understand how the rail network worked what beecham did, why and how road network expansion helped take a load off the rail to make them both work better and cheaper.

But what i see all these years later is some of the road network well over saturated with no rail network in areas to support it from the cuts the train track is now a bike lane and carrys no real traffic but dog walker and the occasional cyclist worker in summer time.

As a result it takes around 1hour to travel 12miles in the morning at 7am when everyone leaves the valleys that there's little work left in, making pinch points all over as 40000 + people try to migrate outwards, the rail network exists after that 12 miles and a park and ride could be used but the price on tickets and parking makes it cheaper to use a luxury car and quicker than the rail due to links to it and unless your traveling hundreds of miles per day to a simular location it doesn't make it quicker or cheaper again off-putting to any consumer.

Its difficult to advance whats come before when its been driven on an unsustainable future the best attempt ive seen is the guided busway in Cambridgeshire uk simular to the obahn in Australia, makes buses work like trains at a fraction of the cost but off public road as much as possible if councils could implement more of these routes traffic will drop on the roads enough to reduce current congestion for deliverys if goods etc and workers that travel widely etc.

Meanwhile las vegas invests more into musks tunnel complex, i fed up of seen captain picard facepalm no prvate transports would implement any of that crap only on tax dollars in a crazy place like vegas could that shit ever happen, I HOPE.
 
Linus Tech Tips do a video on Hydrogen fuel-cell tech for trucks, while I could pick on the nick-nacks of the accuracy the overall message was positive for fuel-cells. :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNgZ6xL_An4
[youtube]pNgZ6xL_An4[/youtube]

The biggest nick-nack for me was "hydrogen vs pure-battery efficiency" with him just ignoring the amount of total energy and co2 emitted for the creation of a pure BEV vehicle, it's pretty dumb to think that these two cars he is comparing just magically appeared with out comparing their emissions totals including their initial creation.
It's like asking kids where meat comes from? Kids just say "it comes from the super-market!", most people including those paid to do professional videos on total energy EV efficiency aren't any smarter that these kids.

If fuel-cell cars end up being $20,000 cheaper in the future one day, then why not just sell them with an included $20,000 green-hydrogen only fuel-card. To me it's the same level of dumbness/cheating.
Volvo says emissions from making EVs can be 70% higher than petrol models - and claims it can take up to 9 YEARS of driving before they become greener.
Volvo claims carbon-intensive production for battery and steel makes its C40 EV more polluting to manufacture than an XC40 with a petrol engine
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10161697/Volvo-says-electric-car-making-emissions-70-HIGHER-petrol.html

Here is Volvo's CO2 TOTAL footprint of their full lithium battery version vs petrol version, including co2 emissions of building the large lithium-ion battery pack (darker blue color).
The EV has a far lower carbon footprint during use (light blue colour), but that can take between 4-9years of average UK driving before the EV gets there, so if the BEV car owner has a nasty car crash in early ownership of the car and the car is a write-off and owner buys a new BEV then they must have good driving for up to 18years before break even with petrol in worst case scenario.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/03/16/50013895-10161697-image-a-52_1635957027722.jpg
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Aside from Volvo coughing up this truth in text/charts, they also made a mini video on Twitter saying it, which is kind of weird. https://twitter.com/VolvoCarUK/status/1455499246115885056

I still see it as all good, as long as you are moving emissions AWAY from major cities then it is all an improvement.
 
Whilst electric drive trains in vehicles have many attractions, financial benefits and Carbon footprints are NOT anywhere near the top of the list.
Eliminating nasty emissions like NOx from city centers is good, but at best, the CO2 debate is a wash and in my eyes a complete non issue anyway ( CO2 is a good gas !)
More concerning is what resources will run out first ...Oil for the ICEs or rare earths, copper, lithium, cobalt, etc, for a mass conversion to electric drive vehicles. ?
 
Wasn't it just a record setting 123 degrees in Australia?
Maybe you should be worried about your continent still being habitable in ten years first....
 
I would hate to live in an area where you need to have your vehicle inspected for smog emissions on an annual basis https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/what-states-require-emissions-testing
But there is also state taxes to avoid this is a good site https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0210/7-states-with-no-income-tax.aspx florida seems to be the ticket with nice weather and non polluted gulf of mexico waters on the states east side then theres the hurricanes and property insurance https://www.sunrun.com/solar-by-state/fl/florida-solar-incentives
 
Voltron said:
Wasn't it just a record setting 123 degrees in Australia?
Maybe you should be worried about your continent still being habitable in ten years first....
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Maybe a record for this week, ..!
...but Australia has been inhabited for 60,000 years at least,.. and it has been hotter during that time.
..we are currently enjoying the coolest period in the last 1000 years !
20 years ago, reknowned scientists warned it would never rain again in Australia, that rivers would dry up, dams remain empty, etc etc, .....and instigated the building of multiple Desal plants at $$bns cost.
Well, those plants are used only on maintenance cycle and we are still experiencing annual floods that wash away homes and isolate towns !
So, dont believe everything you hear or read.
But you are right, i should worry if this beautiful country will be habitable in 10 years......
....not because of the climate though, but incase it is dragged into a uninhabitable Socialist Green society , by idiotic political leadership, dumbly following a ugly UN agenda.
 
Well, it set the record for the highest recorded temperature ever in the entire Southern hemisphere.
But that's just a normal week down there? Good thing it's happening during a "cool period" I guess...

"Satellite data has confirmed that the past seven years have been the hottest on record, the BBC reported, as climate change continues to affect Australia in profound ways. Along with the brutal heat, brush fires made worse by three years of drought have broken out across western portions of the country, forcing hundreds of people to evacuate their homes. "
"Extreme heat in Australia is now an expected part of life. In December, the Bureau of Meteorology forecast a summer that would be marked by extreme weather and severe heat wave conditions"
 
As i said....dont believe everything you read !
They are very choosy with their data references, neglecting as “incompatible” records of the 1900 millenium drought, and many other ( non satelite) recorded hot periods.
Fires ? You do know that the entire East coast of Australia was on fire when Cook discovered the land ?
.. but , of course, the media were not around then to dramatise the situation !
 
When did they start recording temperatures?

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-was-the-1896-heatwave-wiped-from-the-record-33742
 
1871 according to that article, for Australia anyway.

And Cook didn't discover that land...he was sort of a Johnny Come Lately compared to the people that sailed there 60,000 years ago.
 
Well, it's not like humans walked to Australia, or independently evolved there.
Sailing's been around a long time.

"the original seafarers
the settlement of australia is the first unequivocal evidence of a major sea crossing and rates as one of the greatest achievements of early humans. however the motive and circumstances regarding the arrival of the first australians is a matter for conjecture. it may have been a deliberate attempt to colonise new territory or an accident after being caught in monsoon winds."
 
Hillhater said:
Voltron said:
.......he was sort of a Johnny Come Lately compared to the people that sailed there 60,000 years ago.
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Hmm ? Interesting !...... Sailing , 60,000 years ago ! :shock:
Did you get that from the BBC also ?
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Its thought that earliest evidence points to Australia and 50000 years ago but the oldest known vessel found date back 8000bc differing part of the world thats more favourable clay medium for its grave site.

Any vessel thats come into a sandy beach would be long gone and hyperthical at best based on common knowledge of human movements and guess work to fill in the blank.

End of day NUCLEAR !!! Thread settled.
 
That happened in the Bering Strait when it formed the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska, and also along the way from Asia as far as Timor, but even when it was low enough Australia and New Guinea were joined, they were still cut off from any other land by a pretty sizable sea voyage.
 
The aboriginal Australian must be one of the earliest left connections to our past outside the Sentinelese tribe in india, compared to african man they seem more primative looking no offence to them, i imagine the adaptation to austalia has not required the same changes thats europeans went through, plus we would have kept breeding back and forth were as the aboriginal was isolated group for a long time keeping them more true to their origins.

I might be talking bollocks by there but they a tribe of thier own looking at them they fit best to past man.

Lithuim capactiors, 100000 cycle life and upto 200w per 200 farad cap, adding these to a pack thats driving a heavy load has been found to increase its life span 2 fold so a 300 cycle cell adding these can pump out 600 cycles to the same 80% dod, obviously if your battery is well over spec then less of a point to use such a device.

Ive always looked at them for filling in the gaps and so them as pointless but if it takes the stress away from the cell then it makes perfect sence specially on low cell count rides like skateboards and scooters.

Massive downside is they range from £6 to £26 so a 13s booster would cost around £300 and even thiugh it will last a lifetime used correctly it will get trumped by newer cells that can hold more power.

Toshiba got a new 20ah lto, copied from thier link text it says the new cell is expected to be even more durable than the already durable previous SCiB types. The new cell can run 5C charge/5C discharge cycles from 10-90% state-of-charge (SOC) at 25°C 8,000 times and maintain almost 100% initial capacity. The previous type would be at 90% of its initial capacity.
 
Ianhill said:
The aboriginal Australian must be one of the earliest left connections to our past outside the Sentinelese tribe in india, compared to african man they seem more primative looking no offence to them, i imagine the adaptation to austalia has not required the same changes thats europeans went through, plus we would have kept breeding back and forth were as the aboriginal was isolated group for a long time keeping them more true to their origins.

I might be talking bollocks by there but they a tribe of thier own looking at them they fit best to past man.
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It seems generally true, right now there is a lot of hysteria from the government about northern aboriginals getting infected with covid19 (even the super mild omicron), the gov doesn't want to be blamed for another 'genocide' even if the arguments are just really games for political power.
Because it is believed when the first settlers arrived in Australia they found them selves inadvertently killing a lot of aboriginals merely via the common cold, aboriginals had been so isolated the common cold was a completely new virus to their immune systems, Africa has always been still technically attached via the middle east so not even nearly as isolated.

I think the current aboriginals will be just fine, because the flu/cold/etc of the entire world has been hitting them for the last 200 years I think they are generally up to speed on all viruses now. I think if there was anything to say otherwise, anything at all even, we would be pounded with news about it from ABC MSM. I would be surprised if the ABC doesn't have a full time team of people just looking for aboriginals getting covid19 and looking for ways to report it.

Ianhill said:
Lithuim capactiors, 100000 cycle life and upto 200w per 200 farad cap, adding these to a pack thats driving a heavy load has been found to increase its life span 2 fold so a 300 cycle cell adding these can pump out 600 cycles to the same 80% dod, obviously if your battery is well over spec then less of a point to use such a device.

Ive always looked at them for filling in the gaps and so them as pointless but if it takes the stress away from the cell then it makes perfect sence specially on low cell count rides like skateboards and scooters.

Massive downside is they range from £6 to £26 so a 13s booster would cost around £300 and even thiugh it will last a lifetime used correctly it will get trumped by newer cells that can hold more power.

Toshiba got a new 20ah lto, copied from thier link text it says the new cell is expected to be even more durable than the already durable previous SCiB types. The new cell can run 5C charge/5C discharge cycles from 10-90% state-of-charge (SOC) at 25°C 8,000 times and maintain almost 100% initial capacity. The previous type would be at 90% of its initial capacity.
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I once really liked the idea of near endless life cycle booster caps on a battery pack to help reduce heavy load draws and increase the total life cycle of the battery, but it really does just seem all too complicated and expensive to be worth while, so I don't even think about it any more, but there was a time where this idea sat deeply rent free in my brain for a long time, it was folks like liveforphysics who convinced me it was generally dumb because you could just take that super cap money on just building an even bigger battery pack to help absorb more wear and tear.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/search.php?author_id=7638&sr=posts

On another subject, the normally very pro solar and renewables ABC MSM have an interesting article about solar panel waste.
Solar panel farms growth raises more questions over potential for heavy metals to leak into soil
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-01-17/are-some-solar-panels-toxic-/100757108
^Article makes sense, in Victoria solar panels are counted as toxic e-waste and can't be buried (but I am sure some people do it anyway). It makes sense for Victoria to be anti-burying solar panels because it is basically an entirely green trees covered (or capable) state with entirely usable land.
There is a huge land fill somewhere in SA for solar panels this is apparently where most? of Australia's solar panels go to die, its still pretty shitty to be burring toxic solar panels period.

From the ABC article.
Cadmium telluride panels in Australia
Ms LeBlack is concerned about the heavy metals in all solar panels, but cadmium telluride (CdTe) panels are a particular concern because of the significant human health concerns about cadmium.

Only five per cent of the solar panels in Australia are made with CdTe but Queensland engineer and certified solar designer Vince Gerrone thinks the numbers are still a concern.

He identified nine solar plants using cadmium telluride panels and estimated there were 4 million currently in Australia.

That equates to about 48,000 tonnes of waste which shows no sign of diminishing, given there are no recycling facilities for these panels in Australia.

I think this is why ABC have manned up a bit and decided to report on the issue rather than their almost brainwashing level reports on TV broadcast about how solar panels are saving the world.

If you look at Tesla news Youtubers they are all reporting that Tesla's new gigabattery factories are ready to come online in 2022 and they are aiming to start selling 1GWh+ utility battery storage farms. So if the big "green energy subsidy miners" in Australia really gear up and start using this then we will likely see far more 'mega solar panel dumps' in the future.
https://youtu.be/UEnKw8GthM4?t=296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qSY_DMOai8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTwmpuK4s3I
[youtube]eTwmpuK4s3I[/youtube]
 
Solar sounds amazing on paper lots of micro generarion sites, if you have enough land then theres incentive to be free of the recent energy shitshow but nothing escapes inflation or tax unless you had the cash and forward thinking to have an existing installation of somesort.

My brother just moved and lost his solar panels in process he basiclly rented the roof area but now he feels the pain in pocket when the washer dryer gets going.

I think this is the year elon chokes on his promises he has been called worlds richest man, yet his roofing tiles, worlds fastest ev, cargo truck, and ultility truck all failed to make it to market on time plus space x has bitten off more than it can chew with the raptor engine.

Theres a cascading effect waiting to happen and soon as one loses faith in papa elon the rest will follow i think this is the year his laces been untide trips him up.
 
One last point on the caps, like mentioned implementing them to date has been difficult with differing charge voltages but the fact the li versions are the same voltage now means it can be part of each cell string and let the bms look after it bit of a dirty method but should be fine the cap will stay within a volt or so of the packs voltage never drop below the potential of the cells to 0volts and pull a load of current to charge back up in turn stress the cells rather than help them like old caps did these new li ones look plug and play when sized to fit needs.
 
Supercap and batteries..
Do you remember. “Kilowatt labs”. And. “Arvio” with the “Sirius” power pack /supercap battery ..?
This thread. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=93115&hilit=Sirius+battery&start=125 Had a long discussion about them.
A very dubious product which still seems to be sucking people and funds into a vague product.
 
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