Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

[Hillhater]

And it turns out wind power works out pretty well in storms...

OK then, So we just need more frequent storms to make wind power effective ?
....But not too strong since the turbines shut down above 56 mph windspeed. !

Wind turbines have low capacity factors because they are dependent on wind speed. They start producing a small amount of electricity with a wind speed about 6 or 7 miles per hour (mph), reach “rated” capacity around 31 mph and cut out around 56 mph. Therefore, their output is inherently intermittent, volatile and unreliable.

Pity about how many windless days they get in Europe every year !

And you do understand that the high power prices are the result of shutting down coal and Nuclear , and converting to Wind and Gas ( which has recently been constrained by the Russian conflict.)

 

[Ianhill]

In storms the turbines are shut down and if the brakes don't work this happens some said they heard thunder but im no dummy for a boom that loud there had to be a flash if lightning and there was nothing, the grid didnt even flicker.


Grabbed this pic from the net buts its of the pant y wal windfarm located within 2 mile of my house, id regularly visit them erecting these turbines when i first joined the forum building electric scooters testing my range across the mountain on the roads they built for access.

Storm eunice had other plans for this turbine but to be fair there was a lot of high speed gusts for a few hours red warning to life was given which is rare in my area we get 70 mile hour wind yearly but 100mph+ storm like this was last when i was just out of nappies in 88.

 

[TheBeastie]

I have lost count of how many times I have seen pro-Tesla YouTuber's say "everything about the Nikola Motor Company is a total fraud...", and I even see such claims on general news channels like on Tim Pool IRL YouTube chats... I guess because these "journalists" also watch a lot of pro-Tesla YouTube news videos.

That's disappointing because it shows people are still stupid with modern media and don't look for them selves and just believe basically anything, over time I expect people will grow a brain and more habitually browse deeper through internet media and adapt better.
But browsing deeper through more media is the very opposite of the broadcast media model where u just can hit one button and not really go anywhere else and just absorb a single channel, which is even more massively corrupting.

Well here is the real world... Nikola Motor Company is actually handing over their first fuel-cell electric trucks to customers.
https://youtu.be/mBUsqQQlFc0?t=407
^So these fuel-cell EV trucks from Nikola Motor Company are now on the road and being used.

To see how easy it is to drive look at this lady in a business-suit jump in behind the driver wheel and take the loaded semi for a drive around the empty parking lot https://youtu.be/mBUsqQQlFc0?t=544 :lol:

Here is the full video URL, it starts off with them training some of the first drivers of the customer who bought their trucks, seems like a dumb way to make such a video, but what ever.
https://youtu.be/mBUsqQQlFc0
[youtube]mBUsqQQlFc0[/youtube]

 

[calab]

I have not been following but getting two trucks to run isnt that hard, have to be suspicious these days but common sense and critical thinking is necessary. I tried to listen to Tim Pool, but I cant get into it, they seem to be another skimmer type news agency, he doesnt really confirm anything.
Like I said before I listen to Joe Rogan, just got done listening to 3hrs of the fired LBC guy Nawaz, very interesting but like I said, was listening to the anti-argument guy on global warming, he is the one I skimmed from he stated 50% of power in Texas is from Solar and Wind, obviously that is not true from the article I linked to so I am open for a change of view point.

 

[Hillhater]

Well here is the real world... Nikola Motor Company is actually handing over their first fuel-cell electric trucks to customers.
https://youtu.be/mBUsqQQlFc0?t=407

Nope !.. they are obviously NOT fuel cell trucks,
....even the Nikola guy states they are “battery electric” trucks. !
And you can bet they wont be using that miracle Nikola battery cell which they claimed had 4x the energy density of any other Lithium cell !
Nikola will never live down the Milton scandals , it is only because Bosch, Iveco and other investors, are so in deep financially, that they have to try and salvage something.
They should at least change the name......
( the old SCAMMEL truck name would be a good fit !)

 

[TheBeastie]

Well here is the real world... Nikola Motor Company is actually handing over their first fuel-cell electric trucks to customers.
https://youtu.be/mBUsqQQlFc0?t=407

Nope !.. they are obviously NOT fuel cell trucks,
....even the Nikola guy states they are “battery electric” trucks. !
And you can bet they wont be using that miracle Nikola battery cell which they claimed had 4x the energy density of any other Lithium cell !
Nikola will never live down the Milton scandals , it is only because Bosch, Iveco and other investors, are so in deep financially, that they have to try and salvage something.
They should at least change the name......
( the old SCAMMEL truck name would be a good fit !)

OK maybe I was over-assuming it was a fuel-cell truck, but an all battery electric truck is still pretty good, delivering two of them to a customer is hardly a scam.
https://nikolamotor.com/tre-bev

Their website says the fuel-cell version will be out next year. I don't think it will be hard for them to achieve now they got real development experience.
https://nikolamotor.com/tre-fcev

I am still MORE dubious of Tesla's all-battery semi-truck and range claims, frankly the idea of Tesla having a semi-truck with that much battery weight for long range ability seems like it will bad for the roads.

But good luck to both of them

 

[Ianhill]

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

And it turns out wind power works out pretty well in storms...

For that reason alone, I really want to build a supercheap Darrieus or Savonius turbine out of a F&P motor I got for free; TheBackShed is really cool for help, but damn I need find out how to make a good wing blade for it. And also not have so many projects :lol:

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

I have lost count of how many times I have seen pro-Tesla YouTuber's say "everything about the Nikola Motor Company is a total fraud...", and I even see such claims on general news channels like on Tim Pool IRL YouTube chats... I guess because these "journalists" also watch a lot of pro-Tesla YouTube news videos.

That's disappointing because it shows people are still stupid with modern media and don't look for them selves and just believe basically anything, over time I expect people will grow a brain and more habitually browse deeper through internet media and adapt better.

Bro I love you, but Imma stop you RIGHT here.
I want you to think of the average American mouth-breather. Consider that the closest thing he gets to an EV is likely his neighbor, or maybe his boss. He doesn't know what a "fuel cell" is, likely doesn't understand how a lithium battery do, he just knows "Teslas are electric" and "Rich people have them" and maybe "Everyone's trying to be them!". These are the people you have to speak on their level to, because they still run their ACs at full-blast in the summer but think magically one battery car will blow the whole grid. Some are stupid! But many just don't know, and never studied and learned minutiae details to be able to parse this shit out. Don't fall for wannabe superiority.

Well here is the real world... Nikola Motor Company is actually handing over their first fuel-cell electric trucks to customers.

Though they're really battery-electric right now, it's still good to see since it's a proving of whatever motor and battery combination they have working currently. Corpo PR, but you have to do it.
What I'm more interested in, is what kind of fuel-cell they're using for these semis. Hindenburg did a great tear-down of them back when Milton was still around, when they were using Solid-oxides, and the writeup had a GREAT section on why it was a bad move. I wonder if they've changed chemistries, and how they're gonna be "green" without resorting to hydrogen produced from cracked natural gas.

As for weight... I can easily see an EV semi weighing less than a "normal" one. Diesel storage on a semi alone can be a massive factor in weight. As for being bad for the roads? Shit man, all semis are bad, they can weigh up to 27 tons :lol:

 

[Ianhill]

No one buys those trucks to use them on the road its a public relations stunt the load capacity is pointless at the moment these trucks are no more than yard shunters for empty trailers.

Hows can we talk about a company that openly screwed the stock market twice and act like they got a gambo so they must be close ti a break through, this is why the stock market is fuked so many idiots talking shit and plenty of gambling idiots to throw them credit while the real development dont shout loud enough as corruption shushes it and so it gets peanuts.

You will NOT be seing these ev trucks carrying your loads up and down the highway anytime soon for 2 reasons, the range wouldn't even allow it to travel uk with no charge infstucture in place to supply such a high amperage charge rate and when we finally crack fusion and got the energy supply on tap in a clean fashion we still got a little problem of load capacity vs trucks weight as that 44 ton limit wont magically go up without bridges etc getting stronger.

 

[Ianhill]

This thread might aswell be about butter vs margarine.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

No, I can't see that. Everyone shit on Tesla with every new car they made until the Y, and only now are we no longer hearing the "EV will never work!" and "It'll be too wierd!" scare comments. While the highway concerns are ABSOLUTEY valid- the Tesla Semi alone needs twin 400v Chargers to recharge the battery in any speed resembling a refuel- tons of companies have limited ranges with specific loads, like snack deliveries or restocking trips from depots. Even Tesla has stated, their goal is going after those smaller city transports.

 

[Ianhill]

Meanwhile in reality telsas truck was shown before the cybertruck promised for 2019 and we see none of them on the road while he keeps chasing that break through car while building tunnels no bigger than most prison escape efforts.

Nikola started the money grab in 2014 yet no one is in prison shows to me this guys got a hardon for jail time he wont stop defying people becuase they keep watching waiting for a magic trick.

Good luck finding a lighter battery truck than todays clunkers the math states otherwise.

Elon is joke but people refuse to see says he a genuis too much invested in his scheme's thats never ending between the rockets, tunnels, cars, roof tiles, satelite internet and many more it never stops one massive publicity stunt like sending a car to space playing all in the effort of climbing the s&p 500.

And here lies the problem when you study the s&p 500 you see its full of bail outs fraud and hype the worlds stockmarkets are built on corruption and the wealthy manipulte it with multiple rounds of investment and dilutions making those with a little investment money think the returns are great when even the best investment banks barely make 20% on most cases so you got to be rich to begin with or you get 20p on a pound.

 

[calab]

The average joe does not understand electric, they dont understand the Tesla Plaid is the fastest vehicle mass produced.
Some insane 0-60mph speed, everyone that slightly pins it is astonished at how preposterous it is. That word meaning Contrary to nature, reason, or common sense; absurd. synonym: foolish.

Jay Leno talks about his electric vehicle not needing anything in the 10 or 15 yrs he has owned it, but the average driver might have needed a new battery in that time. Also, think about how often auto parts are changed, probably cant even buy a new ev battery for a vehicle that is 15yrs old. What about parts? Take Tesla for example, good luck with that fixing it yourself on a fender bender.

 

[Hillhater]

The average joe does not understand electric, they dont understand the Tesla Plaid is the fastest vehicle mass produced.....

The “average” joe would be more interested if the Tesla Plaid was the cheapest vehicle mass produced !

The lower service costs for EVs is a furphy. ALL vehicles need servicing...most of which is preventitive checks on tyres, brakes, suspension , bearings, shocks, fluid levels, etc..which are common to EVs also. Modern ICE engines and transmissions need little more than oil and filter changes which EVs do not,..but i suspect there are various battery and power systems checks on EVs that ICE dont need.
The biggest cost component in servicing is labour..which is a function of time and the skill level of the technician.
It can be difficult to find a dealership with trained technicians for EVs, so they certainly wont be cheaper than the local mechanic who can service any ICE in an hour or so.
I might add that many new ICE car deals include 3-5 year fixed, or even no cost service plans.!

Most people agree that EVs are ideally suited as a city/ urban transport.
My personal experience of owning and using cars in a city is that the biggest cost by far is road tolls, closely followed by parking charges. Those can easily be thousands of $$$s every year. No exemptions for EVs on those here.!
Fuel and service costs etc, pale to insignificance in comparison .

 

[calab]

Good luck getting your Tesla fixed for basic things, its stupid. I buy a ford f150 in Los Angeles, if it needs to be be fixed by a ford technician because of specialized tools or software it can be done in Mexico City or Halifax Canada, otherwise Cape Town Africa private garage can fix it. Tesla is a joke in that way. The flip side to all that is the simple basic components on new vehicles like a half shaft on the drive shaft, or a front hub assembly.... just bend over and dont squeel, please rinse the sand out of your own bung hole. And by all means do pray your cylinder deactiviation doesnt kill your entire motor or the egr doesnt clog up and leave you stranded.
One good thing is if you lease it, who cares right.

 

[TheBeastie]

Elon is joke but people refuse to see says he a genuis too much invested in his scheme's thats never ending between the rockets, tunnels, cars, roof tiles, satelite internet and many more it never stops one massive publicity stunt like sending a car to space playing all in the effort of climbing the s&p 500.

I used to look at it a bit like that, in fact I would say most folks on this forum would view me as the biggest Elon Musk hater on here... :?

But I ask you this , would you rather have 'privileged' hedge funds borrow billions of dollars at 0.00%-0.25% just to chuck it in a higher yielding government 2-year bond and make them selves a millionaire by doing nothing Apparently this happens...
Or those hedge funds using those borrowed billions to do other baloney crap like pump it into crypto-coins and then dump them?

Or would you rather see that money go to Elon Musk via hedge funds etc to build his vision that at very least contributes to society/world innovation and people?

None of it is an ideal path, but this seems to be how the system works now, with Elon Musk we can aim for an internet only world and have advanced AI that can tell us how to better shape the world to be more fair future wise, on top of FSD...

And save about 38,000 people dying on USA roads each year with FSD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
^And globally its about 1.3million deaths per year via vehicles.

 

[Hillhater]

Or would you rather see that money go to Elon Musk via hedge funds etc to build his vision that at very least contributes to society/world innovation and people? ...

So, is Musk the ultimate financial mastermind, ....or is he just jammy lucky that his pet projects attract billions ?

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

Good luck getting your Tesla fixed for basic things, its stupid. I buy a ford f150 in Los Angeles, if it needs to be be fixed by a ford technician because of specialized tools or software it can be done in Mexico City or Halifax Canada, otherwise Cape Town Africa private garage can fix it. Tesla is a joke in that way. The flip side to all that is the simple basic components on new vehicles like a half shaft on the drive shaft, or a front hub assembly.... just bend over and dont squeel, please rinse the sand out of your own bung hole. And by all means do pray your cylinder deactiviation doesnt kill your entire motor or the egr doesnt clog up and leave you stranded.
One good thing is if you lease it, who cares right.

I mean, Rich Rebuilds showed that you can ABSOLUTELY do something about it- guy forced a Right to Repair law to be passed in Massachusetts, which Kia and Subaru are fighting literally to the skin of their teeth over. Shit, even Biden has forced similar through one of the US'es consumer protection bureaus. The only reason you don't see more, is because of the sheer number of republican politicians who change their opinions based on campaign "donations" NEBRASKA.

As for repairs- there's hordes of videos now on basics like handle replacements, and things like replacing glass or wheel bearings is stock Timken parts regardless of the manufacturer. I absolutely agree that there's some things that are VERY repair-unfriendly- no way you're cracking open a Plaid motor to "fix" something, frocking thing turns 14,000RPM- but some of the parts that are steadily walking towards "non repairable items" aren't without some argument. I work EMS/911 so I have a knowledge base that's above the typical person, but less moving parts in a motor collision just means your car is safer in that crash, because that's less flying crap with it's own potential energy that's rapidly becoming a missile barrage; aka, things like the Structural battery make pretty decent sense.

Elon is joke but people refuse to see says he a genuis too much invested in his scheme's thats never ending between the rockets, tunnels, cars, roof tiles, satelite internet and many more it never stops one massive publicity stunt like sending a car to space playing all in the effort of climbing the s&p 500.

Dude, quit assuming what people think before you ask them. I think Elon is smart. I also think he's a grifter pud who's doing everything to keep his cult of personality going around him. I understand why he has that cult- it was literally the only way Tesla could get off the ground- but now that it is established it has to suffer for it, because NOT being the top innovator will lead to people thinking "They've lost their edge!!1!1" or some other dumb horseshit. He's speculating crypto because it's easy money, the Teslabot is nothing more than trying to stay in the limelight... just *ask*, allow for nuance. Don't do the twitter enemy horseshit.

 

[Hillhater]

...... less moving parts in a motor collision just means your car is safer in that crash, because that's less flying crap with it's own potential energy that's rapidly becoming a missile barrage;

....... Don't do the twitter enemy horseshit.

Hmm ?.... Talking of horseshit..
Exactly which of those extra “ moving parts” might you be thinking of flying around in an accident ?....
..a piston ?
.. 24 inlet valves ?
.. 3, 4th, or 5th, gear selector ?
Do tell, how many of those have been reported.!
And then tell us why you are not concerned with the high voltage risk, or unstoppable lithium fire potential....in an EV accident .?

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

...... less moving parts in a motor collision just means your car is safer in that crash, because that's less flying crap with it's own potential energy that's rapidly becoming a missile barrage;

....... Don't do the twitter enemy horseshit.

Hmm ?.... Talking of horseshit..
Exactly which of those extra “ moving parts” might you be thinking of flying around in an accident ?....
..a piston ?
.. 24 inlet valves ?
.. 3, 4th, or 5th, gear selector ?

If your crash is bad enough that an engine block- nowadays a precision-machined and sand-casted hunk of pure aluminum or iron- was cracked like an egg and a piston tried to go into low orbit, you're a smear. If we can find *enough* of you, you'll be closed-casket. At some point with speed and sheer destructive energy, the human body literally breaks apart- I've seen that in videos about people who get hit by trains.

Do tell, how many of those have been reported.!

Are you drunk? All the damn time. If some dude died because he ran into something fast and hard enough to put his engine block into his teeth, you bet your ASS that's getting talked about.

And then tell us why you are not concerned with the high voltage risk, or unstoppable lithium fire potential....in an EV accident .?

Who said I wasn't. You sure do love jamming your words in other peoples mouths.

 

[Hillhater]

None of that would be any different in an EV or a ICE.
You do know that EV motor/transmissions are cast the same way ?
It is very rare for an engine block to get broken in any accident.
If you hit something hard enough to shove a piston down your throat in an ice, the same accident in a EV would put the rotor from the main drive through your ass. Either way you are history.
So what other extra moving parts are you thinking of ?

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

For anyone else- the whole crash issues stem from the battery cells; you can see how in Tesla crashes the 18650s go everywhere, because there's only the fusing wires that are connected to them to secure them into the pack itself. The 4680 is a big deal, partially because they're gonna be connected to each other via a "manifold" like a head gasket instead of little wires- so you'll have pressure on top and bottom, added onto whatever cooling system they go with. That's just less shit jostling around.

None of that would be any different in an EV or a ICE.
You do know that EV motor/transmissions are cast the same way ?
It is very rare for an engine block to get broken in any accident.
If you hit something hard enough to shove a piston down your throat in an ice, the same accident in a EV would put the rotor from the main drive through your ass. Either way you are history.
So what other extra moving parts are you thinking of ?

I don't even know what you're trying to argue. Put the Foster's down for a sec and make a cohesive statement! And lay off the poor enter key, you type like a boomer.

 

[Ianhill]

Im more concerned of the welds breaking on my side pillar, when nearly all cars failed that one test to the point cars safety design is about to revolutionise the industry once again.

As for fixing the ev its good enough to bring up rich rebuilds but thats one in a million literally, most have to lay down and take elons sausage up the pipe and enjoy it or face been banned from your local service centre for making noise other than moaning from the rimming or the tribal chants.

And thats were tesla fails for me the brand image, he is a stepping stone as i for one dont want that jackarses anything and will not have to go without to do so.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

As for fixing the ev its good enough to bring up rich rebuilds but thats one in a million literally, most have to lay down and take elons sausage up the pipe and enjoy it or face been banned from your local service centre for making noise other than moaning from the rimming or the tribal chants.

And thats were tesla fails for me the brand image, he is a stepping stone as i for one dont want that jackarses anything and will not have to go without to do so.

We're heding close to 330 million USA citizens, so there's another 330 Richie Riches out there 8)

But dude... read the prior comments. Massachusetts has right to repair laws, the Consumer Beuraeu is now REQUIRING things to be made to consider repairs. The EU has been SLAPPING Aplle down for similar behaviors. Like i'm not going to blow my proverbial load early, but this is how pendulums swing, and worst comes to worst I VPN up into another nation with those laws and I get what I want.