Worst foods declared by the World Health Org. pg 37

flippy said:
Hillhater said:
Your maths is focused on your local CORPORATE ownership, rather than private buyers generally.
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considering basically nobody buys cars in this price range as a private person its a more then fair assumption. even in america.
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Which is why i used the LEASE rates to compare ....Tesla $400/ month more than a BMW 5 series !

flippy said:
if you can drop 100 grand on a car privatly you aint exactly checking every dime in your pocket so those people dont care about the math either way...
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Which is what i have been saying all along....There is NO FINANCIAL justification for choosing an EV !

flippy said:
..fun fact: dacia (basically the cheap version of renault) just launched the Dacia Spring, a electric car that will sell for 18k with 200+km of range. it has utter shit acceleration with only 40HP engine but its what most people seek in a cheap car for private ownership..
you do the same math again but now with a car that costs 18k and consumes 115Wh/km.
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.??.. 200km on 27.4 kWhis is 137 Wh/km....=. $3.0/100km @ $0.22/kWh. (Or $4.93 @ public charger rates.)
Assuming that “18k” is US$... ?? The direct comparison would be with the ICE version of the same car,. The Renault Kwid.
That Kwid retails for $5,500 USD... so the difference is $12,500 .
The Kwid is listed at 4L/100km so at your $1.50/ltr... =..$6.0/100km
So, at best, the Spring saves $3.0/100km.....
,. Meaning the Spring EV would need to cover over 400,000km to recover its extra cost. :shock:
Fuel and charging costs will vary from country to country,.. but i think you can see the situation.
 
Report busts the myth that EV's cost more over their life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KMs0EZykIU&ab_channel=TransportEvolved
EU study. Your results may vary.
of note, battery costs, 2010 to 2020
one gets 89% more kwh for the same $$$$$$$
 
Hillhater said:
Which is why i used the LEASE rates to compare ....Tesla $400/ month more than a BMW 5 series !
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if you want save cost you dont lease, you buy and sell yourself. this is what i did as a fleet manager and it saved a LOT of money.


Hillhater said:
.??.. 200km on 27.4 kWhis is 137 Wh/km....=. $3.0/100km @ $0.22/kWh. (Or $4.93 @ public charger rates.)
Assuming that “18k” is US$... ?? The direct comparison would be with the ICE version of the same car,. The Renault Kwid.
That Kwid retails for $5,500 USD... so the difference is $12,500 .
The Kwid is listed at 4L/100km so at your $1.50/ltr... =..$6.0/100km
So, at best, the Spring saves $3.0/100km.....
,. Meaning the Spring EV would need to cover over 400,000km to recover its extra cost. :shock:
Fuel and charging costs will vary from country to country,.. but i think you can see the situation.
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stop using math. you are SO bad at it that it gives me a migrane trying to decypher it. and you still ignore the road tax.... and the difference between buy and resale value to calculate the actual cost of ownership.
 
flippy said:
Hillhater said:
Which is why i used the LEASE rates to compare ....Tesla $400/ month more than a BMW 5 series !
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if you want save cost you dont lease, you buy and sell yourself. this is what i did as a fleet manager and it saved a LOT of money...
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Make your mind up !
I have shown thr financials dont benefit EVs , either way.
And the majority of owners will not be corporate fleets, but its possible Leases will be for the high cost cars

flippy said:
...stop using math. you are SO bad at it that it gives me a migrane trying to decypher it. and you still ignore the road tax.... and the difference between buy and resale value to calculate the actual cost of ownership.
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You obviously have problems following simple calculations.
That explains much about your failing to comprehend EV vs ICE financials.
Either that , or you just do not like the result of the calculations, and prefer to ignor the facts.
Lease costs account for devaluation... ( it is the primary component of a lease)
We also covered the devaluation factor in a previous post....remember, the higher cost EV devalued more $$$s than the much cheaper ICE ?
..or could you not understand/ accept that ?
And we delt with your local ICE road tax in a previous post..or have you ignored that also ? :roll:
 
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Gruber motors defines success in fixing a Tesla battery.

How would George Orwell define success? Or could his definition ever be so important as that of someone contentedly doing what he wants to do, a la Gruber?

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Hillhater said:
Matt Gruber said:
Report busts the myth that EV's cost more over their life:
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Its easy to make statements.. but where are the facts to support the suggestions ?
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I see the problem clearly now. This is why you have things all wrong. You don't know how to check facts :roll:
"report" this is where they keep the facts! YOU, if and only if you are in search of the TRUTH, will find the report (hint, she said she provided a link, and the report is FREE to the public).
I'm neutral on this topic 8) Because the individual has to examine their situation and find what works best for them. 8) Due to my riding my bike to the store, the question of gas or EV does not apply to me. 8)
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D- one path to define success, is to look at people you admire. then see if you are interested in becoming like them. then if you find even 1 , you can set you long term goal, and make short term decisions keeping the long term goal in mind 8) For example, if 40 years ago i had an Uncle Pete with a shop like Pete Gruber, i'd work there with the goal of having a shop like that someday. Because i like fixing cars. For me it's FUN! :bigthumb:
 
Matt Gruber said:
I see the problem clearly now. This is why you have things all wrong. You don't know how to check facts :roll:
"report" this is where they keep the facts! YOU, if and only if you are in search of the TRUTH, will find the report (hint, she said she provided a link, and the report is FREE to the public)......
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Yes, i noticed that......
......and READ the “report” !
But did you,, ?
Hint......do not assume something, unless you are very sure of YOUR facts.!
 
hilly, lets at least be honest here, we all see that you do care about facts, but that seems be the wrong language so i will rephrase:

you only care about facts when they serve your narrative.
 
Flippy,
Your problem is you keep “attacking the player, rather than focussing on the ball !”
Find the data that proves YOUR claims, analyse it, and present it if valid.
But simply ”attacking the messenger” of views opposing yours, is not a good strategy. !
...infact it is usually the sign of losing a debate !
 
this thread reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ&ab_channel=unmusedtails
:bigthumb: :mrgreen:
 
Hillhater said:
Flippy,
Your problem is you keep “attacking the player, rather than focussing on the ball !”
Find the data that proves YOUR claims, analyse it, and present it if valid.
But simply ”attacking the messenger” of views opposing yours, is not a good strategy. !
...infact it is usually the sign of losing a debate !
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i have presented the data and use have chosen to ignore it. at that point you have lost the argument and you have made clear you are not interested in facts, just your own narrative.
 
Matt Gruber said:
this thread reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ&ab_channel=unmusedtails
:bigthumb: :mrgreen:
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I believe I posted that one for them in the last few months. Believe me, it's not just this thread.

This thread reminds me how glad I am I can 'Interpret' it all.

Yes, Hillhater, I'm sure Flippy was called for roughing the passer most every play, when he played football growing up. Playing basketball he'd miss the ball trying to block the shot but at least his hand hit the shooter in the face.

Yes, Flippy, I'm sure Hillhater is DELIBERATELY treating the improbable as though it was impossible just to piss you off. I'm sure he giggles every time he pretends another of your one in a million chances never EVER happens.

What they need is as with Penn and Teller, they just go ahead and explain the magic trick after they perform it.

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I wonder if the singer of The Berzerker warms up his vocal chords.
Like this fella does - https://youtu.be/q08iYImJfTk?t=11
Of course dont forget to moisten the vocal chords before you hit the stage with a cuppa h2o
Lots of talent the lead singer in The Berzerker has.


markz said:
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Well I guess I should be on topic with anything to do with Tesla
https://www.hotcars.com/19-celebs-you-didnt-know-drive-a-tesla/
- will.i.am a singer with Tesla
Jay-Z
Lionel Richie
 
Excellent speech, not too long either :bigthumb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN6JV2GXyvg&ab_channel=AtlasShrugged
 
Dauntless said:
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Gruber motors defines success in fixing a Tesla battery.
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He had some of the specs incorrect for the variant with Li Ion batteries. It did 0-60 mph in 3.7 seconds and 300 miles per charge according to AC Propulsion, not the 3.4 seconds and 400 miles range quoted in the video. Additional specs: the lead acid version topped out at 90 mph and did the 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds, weighing in at 2,600 lbs, and consumed roughly 180 wh/mi @ 60 mph. The lead acid batteries had heating elements on them to increase deliverable capacity. The Li Ion version topped out at 102 mph, did the 1/4 mile in 11.9 seconds, weighed in at 1,900 lbs, and had a 50 kWh pack, and consumed roughly 150 wh/mi @ 60 mph. The specific model of Piontek kit car mentioned as the donor was the Sportech.
 
there is a legal concept called puffery, or something like that. salesman only have to be in the ballpark to be legally OK. i don't like it , but it is the law. nothing illegal about those claims. Even the EPA ratings, like back in the 80's were worse off than today- i would divide by 2, then it actually was pretty close.
Always need to check with Consumer Reports, etc, to get more accurate.
EPA EV range vs. test results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8y51AnKwCQ&ab_channel=TransportEvolved
 
that underscores the fact that one often has to take risks to be successful. :thumb:
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