YZ85 QS138 V3 Battery selection

What cells did you use? 18650, 21700? I saw some prismatic cells on battery hookup that I considered buying originally. However, to get the voltage and Ah that I wanted the pack would have been too large. They were a great price tho. Im still considering buying some to build a battery for a go-kart where I have more space to work with. They are 3.7v cells X2 with 16ah and 200a sustained and they also sell these cell divders that just bolt together with all-thread. Looks super easy to build.
I used 21700 p42 lithium ion cells for one battery (they’re out), and a123 26650s for the other battery also from bh, and they’re out of those specific full capacity cells. I can’t find 100% capacity a123s anymore and only at 90% available anywhere. If u have the room they’re really cheap these days at like 30cents a cell
 
If you want a little more the Fardriver ND72680 is also small in size.
 
Does anyone know if the RPM of the qs138 v3 is based on the rotation of the output shaft after the gear reduction or the rpm of the motor before gear reduction?
 
I was just runing some numbers to figure out what sprockets I want to go with.
 
I think the output shaft. What you looking at specifically?
I currently have a 14t front and 39t rear. which gives me a 1:2.079 ratio, and then the gearbox adds another 1:2.35 reduction. So if my numbers are right and if the rated 3800 RPM is for the motor and not the output shaft that would put the top speed of the bike at 33mph. But they say you can hit 6000rpm with field weakening, which would put the top speed around 52mph.
 
I currently have a 14t front and 39t rear. which gives me a 1:2.079 ratio, and then the gearbox adds another 1:2.35 reduction. So if my numbers are right and if the rated 3200 RPM is for the motor and not the output shaft that would put the top speed of the bike at 33mph. But they say you can hit 6000rpm with field weakening, which would put the top speed around 52mph.
The rated 3800rpm almost has to be the rotation of the output shaft, otherwise 6000rpm with field weakening would put the top speed at 122mph lol
 
I currently have a 14t
I don’t know many dirt bikes but I recently was close to the qs138 90 with I think a 13t and 520 chain and sounded awful. I really like the 17t and quiet.

The newer motor version came with a tighter fitting sprocket and I like the idea of that besides being another noise I don’t want to hear.

I wonder how long the motor will last. Seems replacement gears aren’t available. They really ought to sell them or someone sell them.

Coming from a road cycling background I find I want to be really stretched out on anything going fast. Think ill adapt these to 1” for dirt bikes. https://www.amazon.com/INNOGLOW-Mot...452028479-B0C58JWMPB-&hvexpln=73&gad_source=1

Also ground off the turning stop thing on the frame so can do much sharper turns.

two way throttle is awesome.


I’m planing to make it street legal. Have to or can’t ride it.
 
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I don’t know many dirt bikes but I recently was close to the qs138 90 with I think a 13t and 520 chain and sounded awful. I really like the 17t and quiet.

The newer motor version came with a tighter fitting sprocket and I like the idea of that besides being another noise I don’t want to hear.

I wonder how long the motor will last. Seems replacement gears aren’t available. They really ought to sell them or someone sell them.

Coming from a road cycling background I find I want to be really stretched out on anything going fast. Think ill adapt these to 1” for dirt bikes. https://www.amazon.com/INNOGLOW-Mot...452028479-B0C58JWMPB-&hvexpln=73&gad_source=1

Also ground off the turning stop thing on the frame so can do much sharper turns.

two way throttle is awesome.


I’m planing to make it street legal. Have to or can’t ride it.
I don't think the qs138 90h has a great reduction, that motor is just 1:1. I intentionally went with the 70h for the gear reduction because everyone I've seen uses the 90h had a giant sprocket on the rear nearly the size of the wheel. Sp o was hoping to avoid doing that.

Those bars are pretty sweet, it looks like you can fold them back if you ever need to fit in a small space. I've been wanting to build a couple of small bikes to take with us in the motorhome when we travel, they would be perfect for getting them through the door. Plus they look good.

You should look into this company called Dirt Legal, they can get any bike or off-road vehicle registered, plates and all. Different states have less strict laws so they register the vehicle in one of those states. Plus you never have to renew the plates. It is pretty expensive tho.
 
I don't think the qs138 90h has a great reduction, that motor is just 1:1. I intentionally went with the 70h for the gear reduction because everyone I've seen uses the 90h had a giant sprocket on the rear nearly the size of the wheel. Sp o was hoping to avoid doing that.

Those bars are pretty sweet, it looks like you can fold them back if you ever need to fit in a small space. I've been wanting to build a couple of small bikes to take with us in the motorhome when we travel, they would be perfect for getting them through the door. Plus they look good.

You should look into this company called Dirt Legal, they can get any bike or off-road vehicle registered, plates and all. Different states have less strict laws so they register the vehicle in one of those states. Plus you never have to renew the plates. It is pretty expensive tho.
The 90 version also comes with the reduction but I get what you mean.
I have oodles of torque with 17t and 48t and 12” wheels with 126v full voltage. My quest is complete.
 
The 90 version also comes with the reduction but I get what you mean.
I have oodles of torque with 17t and 48t and 12” wheels with 126v full voltage. My quest is complete.

Yeah, after I messaged you i looked them up and saw they do have a 90h with the gear reduction. What motors do you run or have experience with? I wonder what the advantages and disadvantages are between those 2 motors. I know the 70h / 90h has to do with the number of magnets, but I have no clue how they would perform in comparison.
 
Yeah, after I messaged you i looked them up and saw they do have a 90h with the gear reduction. What motors do you run or have experience with? I wonder what the advantages and disadvantages are between those 2 motors. I know the 70h / 90h has to do with the number of magnets, but I have no clue how they would perform in comparison.
I think the 70 and 90 tell the stator height. The magnets and also likely 20mm longer and same number. 29% more motor. 29% more torque.

I made over 200 skate hub motors by hand. Hummie motors. Steelhubs long ago here on es. More recently modified 83100 motors for bigger bearings for bike mid-drives . You can get that motor in parts so can wind whatever kv and has seemingly the best stator available with .15mm lams.
 
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I think the 70 and 90 tell the stator height. The magnets and also likely 20mm longer and same number. 29% more motor. 29% more torque.

I made over 200 skate hub motors by hand. Hummie motors. Steelhubs long ago here on es. More recently modified 83100 motors for bigger bearings for bike mid-drives . You can get that motor in parts so can wind whatever kv and has seemingly the best stator available with .15mm lams.
That's awesome that you made them by hand. I'm just starting to learn about all of this, the only experience I have with this stuff is building RC cars years ago lol. It all seems to be the same principle just bigger everything and far more functionality.

I'm going to build an electric shifter cart next. I just ordered 52 of the SPIM08HP 3.7V 8AH cells. They come in a metal case with a BMS. They're configured as 13s4p 48v. But I think I'm going to reconfigure as 22s 2p 72v. They have around 400amp sustained discharge rate. Each of the cells has a plastic holder with holes in each corner so you can use all-thread to hold them together. And they have studs on top for the + / - which makes it super easy to connect with buss bars. And they were pretty cheap to, I paid $400 for 2 of these packs, each one has 26 cells, plus $235 for shipping, I thought it was a pretty decent deal. Supposedly they were for a backup system and were never cycled. It's going to be a rather large pack but I should have room to spare on a kart.
 

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That's awesome that you made them by hand. I'm just starting to learn about all of this, the only experience I have with this stuff is building RC cars years ago lol. It all seems to be the same principle just bigger everything and far more functionality.

I'm going to build an electric shifter cart next. I just ordered 52 of the SPIM08HP 3.7V 8AH cells. They come in a metal case with a BMS. They're configured as 13s4p 48v. But I think I'm going to reconfigure as 22s 2p 72v. They have around 400amp sustained discharge rate. Each of the cells has a plastic holder with holes in each corner so you can use all-thread to hold them together. And they have studs on top for the + / - which makes it super easy to connect with buss bars. And they were pretty cheap to, I paid $400 for 2 of these packs, each one has 26 cells, plus $235 for shipping, I thought it was a pretty decent deal. Supposedly they were for a backup system and were never cycled. It's going to be a rather large pack but I should have room to spare on a kart.
You likely already know but if ur reorienting the cells I think those need to be compressed.
 
You likely already know but if ur reorienting the cells I think those need to be compressed.
Yeah, I was gonna use the plastic holders they come with, and build a new metal box simular to what they're in now.
 
Just took the bike out for its first test ride today. I was impressed with how much power it has. However, it only has a top speed of 38mph. This is with a 14t front and a 44t rear sprocket. I switched them out with a 17t and 35T, and now it has a top speed of 54mph. I would like to get it up to 65-70mph as this bike will mostly be ridden on the road. I read that the controller is capable of field weakening or I believe fardriver calls it flux weakening, which is supposed to increase the max RPM of the motor. However I cant find much information on how to do this. if anyone has any information or can help me tuning this thing to increase the top speed it would be greatly appreciated. 20240916_143349.jpg20240915_004110.jpg20240913_121114.jpg20240913_202148.jpg20240912_204804.jpg20240912_190621.jpg
 
You likely already know but if ur reorienting the cells I think those need to be compressed.
Here's a pic the completed battery (minus the BMS) that I built using the SPIM08HP cells. I'm looking for a shifter cart frame to use these in for my next project. I also considered building them to sell. Just not sure if there will be much interest due to the size. They definitely wouldn't be a good choice for a bike build. This battery is only 20s 2p (72v 16ah). I think I'm going to double it for a 32ah when I build the cart build.


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Interested to hear how that battery performs. We have a forum member that loves them and loves to sell batteries made from them... I have also read they have to be run hard in a certain temperature range to get really good performance from them. Probably doesn't matter if you have the space for a lot of them like a cart or buggy
 
Interested to hear how that battery performs. We have a forum member that loves them and loves to sell batteries made from them... I have also read they have to be run hard in a certain temperature range to get really good performance from them. Probably doesn't matter if you have the space for a lot of them like a cart or buggy
Yeah, I can't wait to try them out. They have excellent discharge and charging rates. The plastic cell holders leave a small air gap between each cell, making cooling very easy. You could even add a fan to blow through the side of the pack if needed. I was going to wrap each pack with heat shrink before bolting the end plates on to add some water resistance which would probably increase the operating temp some. Any idea how much something like this would sell for? I couldn't find much for comparison online.
 
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