bigmoose
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Thank you Patrick! I just finished my second glass of Tullamore Dew... I am feeling better. One more and I will be ready to wake in the morning to the aroma of cinnamon muffins baking in the oven...
[nearly original] Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community
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Andy said:
[Links to personal social media sites and other forums hosted by Andy deleted]
^---look at this ad fest that socialknowledge has turned this site into.
OK; after doing my research, i take back what i said; i am pulling all of my contributions as well.
WE ARE SOLD OUT!!
I agree with Methods, we should all calm down and wait and see. The best tacticians only move when they have to and when the opportunity presents itself a la Otto Von Bismarck.
Patience is key here.
If the forum does have to relocate - there are some pressing issues that have to resolved.
I actually am in agreement with Anthony - I don't think it is a good idea to move the new forum over to Ebikes.ca's server. This has nothing to do with Justin but it makes prudent business sense to have it independent as you risk the same thing happening again.
You can plan for unforeseen circumstances. Having something in an individual's name tied into another company is not the wisest course of action to take. People die, business go under...etc.
It would be far more sagacious to set up a legal body, a LTD company or co-op with a proper board - with a clause that individual board members can only spend x amount of years before they have to retire to be replaced by new board members. You could have a strict memorandum of association and a set quorum with a qualified majority that members have to adhere to - with a guide to who can form part of that quorum.
The more that is set in stone and legal - the better off everyone will be.
However, all of this should be a last resort. Let's wait and see first.
Patience is key here.
If the forum does have to relocate - there are some pressing issues that have to resolved.
I actually am in agreement with Anthony - I don't think it is a good idea to move the new forum over to Ebikes.ca's server. This has nothing to do with Justin but it makes prudent business sense to have it independent as you risk the same thing happening again.
You can plan for unforeseen circumstances. Having something in an individual's name tied into another company is not the wisest course of action to take. People die, business go under...etc.
It would be far more sagacious to set up a legal body, a LTD company or co-op with a proper board - with a clause that individual board members can only spend x amount of years before they have to retire to be replaced by new board members. You could have a strict memorandum of association and a set quorum with a qualified majority that members have to adhere to - with a guide to who can form part of that quorum.
The more that is set in stone and legal - the better off everyone will be.
However, all of this should be a last resort. Let's wait and see first.
With absolutely no disrespect to the whiz kids here, I'd like to know what The dogman thinks about all this.
I have been around since the VisforV days and have mostly figured out how to set up a decent ebike. Because of this I now only read the threads about the new or hard to do stuff. (AKA "whiz kid posts").
People like dogman (12k+ posts) do the real work on this forum, answering time after time, the same questions that always seem to come up. the smart EE types are vital, but so are the people who do the grunt work with the newbs like I was just a while back.
Anyway, this all is starting to piss me off. It's been a while, and has never been wise, but I'm going for a couple shots of Jagermeister, a big beer and a few different types of totes than my sig. talkes about.
I'll be back...
and
I have been around since the VisforV days and have mostly figured out how to set up a decent ebike. Because of this I now only read the threads about the new or hard to do stuff. (AKA "whiz kid posts").
People like dogman (12k+ posts) do the real work on this forum, answering time after time, the same questions that always seem to come up. the smart EE types are vital, but so are the people who do the grunt work with the newbs like I was just a while back.
Anyway, this all is starting to piss me off. It's been a while, and has never been wise, but I'm going for a couple shots of Jagermeister, a big beer and a few different types of totes than my sig. talkes about.
I'll be back...
and
bigmoose
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He's only 36 with just a BS in business... makes me just... (Promised methy I would be good....) 
His forums are so kute.
... going to have to look closer at his boards, wow they are kute; hey methy, luke, amber guys, take a look. Outdoor trails, quiet streams, wow, I am in a Cabella's ad.
Now let me tell you something about our "breed"; my scope costs more than my car. Does that tell you something? Oh yea, the spectrum analyzer, sort of equal to a new Tahoe...
But I am impressed:
Finance
Outdoors
Lifestyle
Affluent!!! Whoopee Dooo!
His forums are so kute.
... going to have to look closer at his boards, wow they are kute; hey methy, luke, amber guys, take a look. Outdoor trails, quiet streams, wow, I am in a Cabella's ad.
Now let me tell you something about our "breed"; my scope costs more than my car. Does that tell you something? Oh yea, the spectrum analyzer, sort of equal to a new Tahoe...
But I am impressed:
Finance
Outdoors
Lifestyle
Affluent!!! Whoopee Dooo!
methods
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OMFG LOL!
Look at one of the forums that Andy R monetized !!!!
[Link to wrangler forum deleted]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You clowns are done here. Pack it up and leave trolls.
How you like them apples JRH?
-methods
Edit: In case you did not read up to here... Andy is the guy who steered Trevor into buying this site as an investment. Andy is the puppet master behind Trevor.
Look at one of the forums that Andy R monetized !!!!
[Link to wrangler forum deleted]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You clowns are done here. Pack it up and leave trolls.
How you like them apples JRH?
-methods
Edit: In case you did not read up to here... Andy is the guy who steered Trevor into buying this site as an investment. Andy is the puppet master behind Trevor.
methods
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I was mistaken - that is a different forum. Users do not have that level of control here as far as I know.
favorite quote from the Jeep forum: "So all i have to do to get rid of that garbage is to contribute?"
lolz!!!
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favorite quote from the Jeep forum: "So all i have to do to get rid of that garbage is to contribute?"
lolz!!!
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Racer_X
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Neptronix, Thanks for checking this guy out. I did not think of that. Wow this is not good. Saw some of those sample forums.
R.I.P Endless Sphere. Time to migrate
R.I.P Endless Sphere. Time to migrate
methods said:
[Link to Andy's business site deleted]
Joseph: yeah, that doesn't help too much unfortunately.
Racer_X: Actually i got a tip off from another member, then looked into it a bit further. I won't mention their name unless they want to take credit.
methods
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No need to migrate... we are not going anywhere.
Trevor is going to sell out.... before he loses all of his investment.
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Trevor is going to sell out.... before he loses all of his investment.
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tick.......
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StudEbiker
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I have to give Trevor credit for one thing, I don't see "punch the monkey" on that Wrangler forum. Unfortunately, that's about the ONLY banner I don't see!
methods said:
Ah yes...
Glad to see you read my ^ post.
To be successful in business you need to be able to add 2+2 and come up with 5 without pissing too many people off.
This guy frocked up and bought the wrong forum. He can't win. Most people here are free thinkers.
methods
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I see Hobby City on the Jeep forum - it is from your Google data.
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nicobie said:
I looked at their other forum properties and a lot of people are saying 'oh thank you for saving our poor little forum, we'll be good, we swear!'.
Trevor would be better off without all the intelligent people on here. Intelligent people don't put up with ads, control, and BS.
That's why there are no thought provoking shows on prime time tv; they want the docile audiences that will sit through the ads to maximize revenue.
Unfortunately we live in an age where the internet is becoming that too.
I fear this internet forum will turn into such a place. I thought that LFP, Methods ETC were overreacting intiially but now i see it ..
www.recumbents.com
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dequinox
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I have finally finished reading the thread up to this point and I've got to say I am sad, angry and basically stupefied that the forum was handed over without a damn word of warning to the members or anyone for that matter.
I am fully behind the Methods, Justin_le, LFP, AJ, Bigmoose, Fetcher, etc etc faction. I'll be backing up my own contributions, meager as they are, and waiting to see what the weather brings.
TO THE NEW "OWNER(s)":
Apparently you've had the idea of "the next level" of things so heavily imprinted on your brain that you've moved on your plan without considering anything else but what the forum "can be."
Let me state this as loudly and clearly as possible:
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS FORUM ACTUALLY IS.
Your multiple vague posts point many of us to the conclusion that you have read so little on this forum that you've missed what the folks on Top Gear call the "X Factor" about this site. We love this forum for a few simple reasons and your every move has threatened to destroy those (already embedded) features. You'd have had a better welcome here had you gone through the proper channels. The proper channels being becoming a member, reading and actively posting questions, building relationships and generally becoming known.
This was an impulsive buy, now you must live with the consequences of the impulse. Negotiate with those mentioned above and you might get out of this with money back on your investment.
As for Andy, I do not value your input. Trevor should have been the one to explain the situation, and because he has held things tightly to the chest and given us literally NO information about his actual plans (no details have been posted at all), he has to suffer the fallout from this no BS community. Also, you didn't invest in this so you literally have no say.
*edit* Not speaking to Andy's sites since I don't know 1st hand what he owns...
THE SADDEST thing about all this is that the newbies who will flood this forum, if/when the core members (and even the medium-level people who can point newbies to the experts or relevant articles) will be gone, will NOT EVEN KNOW that something this open-source and commercialism-free ever existed....
I am fully behind the Methods, Justin_le, LFP, AJ, Bigmoose, Fetcher, etc etc faction. I'll be backing up my own contributions, meager as they are, and waiting to see what the weather brings.
TO THE NEW "OWNER(s)":
Apparently you've had the idea of "the next level" of things so heavily imprinted on your brain that you've moved on your plan without considering anything else but what the forum "can be."
Let me state this as loudly and clearly as possible:
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS FORUM ACTUALLY IS.
Your multiple vague posts point many of us to the conclusion that you have read so little on this forum that you've missed what the folks on Top Gear call the "X Factor" about this site. We love this forum for a few simple reasons and your every move has threatened to destroy those (already embedded) features. You'd have had a better welcome here had you gone through the proper channels. The proper channels being becoming a member, reading and actively posting questions, building relationships and generally becoming known.
This was an impulsive buy, now you must live with the consequences of the impulse. Negotiate with those mentioned above and you might get out of this with money back on your investment.
As for Andy, I do not value your input. Trevor should have been the one to explain the situation, and because he has held things tightly to the chest and given us literally NO information about his actual plans (no details have been posted at all), he has to suffer the fallout from this no BS community. Also, you didn't invest in this so you literally have no say.
*edit* Not speaking to Andy's sites since I don't know 1st hand what he owns...
THE SADDEST thing about all this is that the newbies who will flood this forum, if/when the core members (and even the medium-level people who can point newbies to the experts or relevant articles) will be gone, will NOT EVEN KNOW that something this open-source and commercialism-free ever existed....
slayer
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methods said:OMFG LOL!
Look at one of the forums that Andy R monetized !!!!
[Link to wrangler forum deleted]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You clowns are done here. Pack it up and leave trolls.
How you like them apples JRH?
-methods
Edit: In case you did not read up to here... Andy R is the guy who steered Trevor into buying this site as an investment. Andy R is the puppet master behind Trevor.
ONE MORE REASON WHY I LIKE THIS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW ...THEY KNOW EVERYTHING
HE WAS GOING TO FOOL US IF WE HAD NOT STARTED THIS
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