This is the view on the way out when it isn't so dry. Its a quiet, pleasant place to be and a short ride from where I live. The terrain I ride most often is round here.
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This is the view on the way out when it isn't so dry. Its a quiet, pleasant place to be and a short ride from where I live. The terrain I ride most often is round here.
lisalis
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Yeah that's my issue. I'm highly sensitive to noise and i've had ebike pass by me with awful noise and pretty sure they were bosch CX. Sadly almost no ebike in EU have brose motors. Specialized now do them.
Couldnt the photon be more silent if they had used different metal for the gearings ?
lisalis
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Damn yeah the bosch is pretty noisy. Heck if the brose was more common it would be nice. If the photon is less noisy than the bosch its kinda dope because the noise is kinda decent on the bosch compared to some other motors around
lisalis
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Is it possible to entirely turn of the throttle and limit it the motor to 250w ?
When i go in the city i would want to make it compliant. I'm thinking if i have a smartphone with the app that i leave at home i'm basically riding a class compliant motor that cannot be unlocked on the spot so legally maybe it would fit. But then i cannot benefit from the burst ?
When i go in the city i would want to make it compliant. I'm thinking if i have a smartphone with the app that i leave at home i'm basically riding a class compliant motor that cannot be unlocked on the spot so legally maybe it would fit. But then i cannot benefit from the burst ?
Mongo
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Yes, it is possible to disable the throttle, but IIRC, in the EU and while in "street mode" the throttle is already disabled - "street mode" versus "race mode", the two sets of motor configurations selectable by the display.
With the smaller SW102 display (manual), you have a short time limit (15 seconds) after powering on to change the mode. You can also configure the default power-up mode.
With the smaller SW102 display (manual), you have a short time limit (15 seconds) after powering on to change the mode. You can also configure the default power-up mode.
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lisalis
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Yeah the thing is normally in EU you can't have a bike that you can derestrict easily like that. I wished CYC had a way to basically disable throttle and limit at 250w or 500w on the motor physically so its possible to switch it on/off in a few minutes at home but not with a smartphone.
I mean the other solution i was thinking is to print a sticker with a QR code saying its 500w max and that basically redirect to a fake website like cycengineering.com where the fake specs are shown.. But i have to think about it
nervagon
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Order a 1:1 accessory cable and forget the throttle. This is not a throttle-jockey motor. The only reason I still have the throttle wired up is that I went through the trouble routing the 1:2 cable internally through my frame, and I'm not in a hurry to do that again. No throttle on the bars, less chance of getting harassed by the ebike stasi.
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They don't have Specialized bikes in Switzerland?
Gruesome
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If you are thinking about Bosch CX equipped bikes, how about a Canyon Roadlite:On with the Fazua motor? For some reason not available in the US. Comes with a trailer hitch, and mounting points for mudguards.
lisalis
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I mean yeah its basically the only bikes around with the brose S motor. They are hella expensive tho for the build they offer.
The turbo vado is like 5k for similar specs as a 3500€ cube lol
Same for the specialized tero x 6 kinda expensive i guess. Maybe way better quality ?? i kinda doubt
You could set up the Street mode with throttle not disabled, but set to zero power and torque, and limit the pedal assist to whatever you want. Then set up Race mode with how you want to use it elsewhere. Switching between the two modes is easy, but only available during the first 15 seconds after you power on - so not obvious to anyone else examining the bike, either.
Gruesome
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Mhmm, if you are really worried about getting pulled over and being ticketed by the swiss police in your area, then maybe a home built bike is not the way to go. I still remember how I had to tape & paint over a rusty antenna hole in my car fender so the Swiss border guards would let me in and drive to work. I thought that was pretty ridiculous back then (mid eighties), but now, with 40 years of hindsight & wisdom, I know: those guys were completely power drunk and totally wack. And mind you, that was not at the Swiss-German border, where you maybe would expect a certain Teutonic/Alemannic authoritarian overzealousness; no, this was near Geneva.
On the other hand, I don't think they can take your Swiss card away, so maybe you should fight the good fight.
On the other hand, I don't think they can take your Swiss card away, so maybe you should fight the good fight.
Ecyclist
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New Zealand. That's awesome. So far I only visited Auckland. I hope to see Napier one day.
lisalis
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Actually just found a Specialized Tero x 6 near me for like 4700$. Gonna try it monday and decide if i buy it. I can still resell it somehow and get a photon or proton if they get more reliable/better and i'm not happy with the tero x 6
nervagon
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That should have the top of the line Brose/Specialized 2.2 motor, same as I have. I doubt you’ll be disappointed.
Edit: Also, here in the states, if you bring your Tero into a Specialized dealer, they will flash it to a class 3 firmware on request. But I’m not sure what the regulations are in your area.
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That's a great deal if true! It's $6500 here Turbo Tero X 6.0 Looking forward to your review.
lisalis
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oh then i have to travel for it haha. In switzerland if i want to go more than 25kmh of assist i need to have license plate basically and cannot ride it in forest path anymore so.. I may just tune it with one of the tool when i go in the forest i will see. I wouldnt mind having 30kmh assist tho. It's basically impossible to flash the firmware without a dealer ?
nervagon
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Wait? Wut? Ebikes can’t go faster than 15.5mph over there? That sucks. I won’t settle for anything less than 45Kmh/28mph.
EU really must think ebikes are for grannies… like a Walmart mobility scooter for the road on 2 wheels.
That's the advantage of DIY and the Photon - can be set to no limit. All the ebikes imported to NZ have various speed restrictions, normally 25, 32 or 45km/h, but we (currently) have no ebike specific speed limit, only a restriction of 300W power. Speed limit is defined by where you ride, not what you ride. Also, adding insult to injury, the 45km/h restricted ebikes I think attract a premium and cost more...
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Gruesome
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Hard to believe, but Switzerland is even larger than LA County: Switzerland vs. Los Angeles County, California: Comparea Area Comparison
Not by much though, only a factor 4! LA County also has more residents.The 25 km/h limitation is one reason why it's important to pick a solution that doesn't get in the way if you want to exceed the motor support limit (assuming you pick something pre-built). Uphill 25 km/h is plenty, but you don't want the motor to slow you down or hold you back downhill.
nervagon
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Hard to believe, but Switzerland is even larger than LA County: Switzerland vs. Los Angeles County, California: Comparea Area Comparison
The 25 km/h limitation is one reason why it's important to pick a solution that doesn't get in the way if you want to exceed the motor support limit (assuming you pick something pre-built). Uphill 25 km/h is plenty, but you don't want the motor to slow you down or hold you back downhill.
Gruesome
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Who has time to watch a 21 minute video?
I'm going to say, judging from the first 30 seconds, the answer is 'yes'.
nervagon
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Who has time to watch a 21 minute video?
Am I the only one that listens to video essays like podcasts while work on other things?
The TLDW is that despite having better bike infrastructure than the US, bikes end up co-mingling with cars quite a bit. So it’s a shame they’ve set the ebike assist cutoff at 15mph.
lisalis
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No the limit isnt at 25kmh. You can get 45kmh ebike but you need insurance and a license plate because they are basically moped and fall under the same legislation.
Tbh i think this is good legislation. There are already so many incident and most people don't know how to ride bike so at 25kmh they are less of a threat for themselves and other than at 45kmh..
The infrastructure are insanely good compared to the US. The US were not build for anything else than moving with cars basically so it's a disaster recipe to ride your bike at 25kmh in a city filled with cars and no bike lane..
On a side note it seems like most motors fail a whole lot.There is a 10 page thread on emtb forum that makes me reconsider the brose motor: Levo Gen 2 - Are Brose & Specialized Fixing Their Motor Problem ?
In Europe with the rain the failure rate is actually INSANE. Most people riding the motor where it rain a lot have to change it after +100km/2000km which is nuts
