Dual motor nownonlu using 1 and wires are nested

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My friend brought me his scooter controller modeled z b 6045, the scooter originally was using 2 controllers connected together 2 motors. After he had an accident, they eliminated the first motor and only use the rear motor when he brought it to me. The throttle needed to be replaced, and that's where everything kind of went to hell i opened the controller and needless to say it looked like it was fried, but I'll post a picture and you guys let me know what you think. I guess my question is, what would be a comparable controller to run the rear motor any matching throttle for it that has an on off
I'm not sure if it would need a displayy or not
 

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what's the continuous amp rating and top voltage on this controller? That would help locate a replacement.
 
What are you seeing that "looks fried"? I don't see a problem on the solder side of the board that you've posted an image of, so I'm guessing whatever problem you see must be on the other side you haven't shown us.

What specific components do you see that are fried on the parts of the controller you haven't shown us?

What specific problems is the system having, under what specific conditions?

What troubleshooting has already been performed? (please list step by step, along with the specific results of each step)

What was the "accident", and did the system still work after that? Or what specifically happened and was damaged, etc., if it didn't work? Those could be directly related to why it doesn't work now. Not knowing any of that we can't say what might be wrong.

If it did work after that but only stopped working after the throttle replacement, then it would help to know exactly what was done during the replacement process, what it orignally had and exactly what it was replaced with, and exactly how the original was wired and exactly how the new one was wired in place of it. Not knowing any of that, we can't know if anything else was damaged by a miswire, incompatibility, etc.

If by "need a display or not" refers to a new controller, you would have to check the requirements of whatever new controller you choose. If you choose one that requires or uses a display, be sure to get the display with the new controller as a kit, to be sure they're compatible.


For us to help find a compatible controller for the rear motor, we'd need to know what that motor is, what it's used for, and what features you want or need the system to have.

Or we would need to know exactly what the old controller was, to find an exact or compatible replacement.

More info is more helpful to help us help you.
 
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What are you seeing that "looks fried"? I don't see a problem on the solder side of the board that you've posted an image of, so I'm guessing whatever problem you see must be on the other side you haven't shown us.

What specific components do you see that are fried on the parts of the controller you haven't shown us?

What specific problems is the system having, under what specific conditions?

What troubleshooting has already been performed? (please list step by step, along with the specific results of each step)

What was the "accident", and did the system still work after that? Or what specifically happened and was damaged, etc., if it didn't work? Those could be directly related to why it doesn't work now. Not knowing any of that we can't say what might be wrong.

If it did work after that but only stopped working after the throttle replacement, then it would help to know exactly what was done during the replacement process, what it orignally had and exactly what it was replaced with, and exactly how the original was wired and exactly how the new one was wired in place of it. Not knowing any of that, we can't know if anything else was damaged by a miswire, incompatibility, etc.

If by "need a display or not" refers to a new controller, you would have to check the requirements of whatever new controller you choose. If you choose one that requires or uses a display, be sure to get the display with the new controller as a kit, to be sure they're compatible.


For us to help find a compatible controller for the rear motor, we'd need to know what that motor is, what it's used for, and what features you want or need the system to have.

Or we would need to know exactly what the old controller was, to find an exact or compatible replacement.

More info is more helpful to help us help you.
 
Okay, so long story short, it should have been a simple five wire five wire switch on the throttle, except one had a five pin connector the other one had a three pin and a two pin.The old throttle's wiring was red, yellow, black green white, the new throttle wiring red blue, black and then green yellow.
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5pin connector coming from the controller had five 7 wires total red blue black green and white

Blue and white had other wires leading back out. To I don't know where because I wasn't the one that started messing with the wires. Needless to say, all of the wires that were, uh, connecting for all the LED lights on this scooter are everywhere. Now, I've identified the controller wires. I believe, and I don't know. I'm having trouble with the throttle, not powering up, not sure if it's the key switch. For something else that got disconnected? So I think I'm going to have to start from scratch.
New throttle has red l
 

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After he had an accident, they eliminated the first motor and only use the rear motor when he brought it to me.

Sounds to me like "not running" might be the best condition for your friend's scooter. Why are you the one studying up on how to put it back in service? He would benefit from understanding his own machine, probably a lot more than riding it TBH.
 
Sounds to me like "not running" might be the best condition for your friend's scooter. Why are you the one studying up on how to put it back in service? He would benefit from understanding his own machine, probably a lot more than riding it TBH.
Yes, it would be much better to deal with the owner who can better describe what happened to the scooter.
 
I am the new owner i just need to know how to connect everything that needs to be connected to get it running just to make sure the controller still works .... i've identified the loose wires from the controller to the throttle. As red battery positive, which goes up through what you'll see in the first Pic blue is connected to v CC on the PC black is ground.
And the blue-green and the whit are connected to F3 and F4 respectively. On the controller
 

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What happened when you crashed it and what was damaged? The controller board that your friend posted pics of didn’t appear damaged. Is there any reason he felt it was “fried”?
 
He said that some of the solder looked burnt and messed up, but doesn't know much and since then I've caught him near it with a solderingviron and have come to find out a few wires came diaconne te s from the board and he doesn't t know exactly where they came from. Luckily, I took some pictures.But i'm still not clear if there are missing wires more than the ones that have come disconnected.Here are the pictures of the controller now
 

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Usually with a dual motor setup, the two controller share the same throttle, so the throttle conductors go to each controller. There may or may not be a display, but if there is one, it may only connect to one controller. Sometimes the scooter will have brake cutoff switches as well. I see a couple of conductors/connectors in the second pic with black and green wires, but the pic is too zoomed in to see where they go. If there are cutoffs, they will also be shared between the two controllers, similar to the throttle. I also see a connector with blue and white conductors and one with red and black. Do you have other accessories, like lights, etc.?
Knowing what functions may be supported as well as better pics would be helpful in guessing what wires do what.
 
Understood, but if you have a bunch of unidentified wires, it’s best to know the ones that are required for powering up the motor and eliminate the ones that are not. There will be the conductors that turn the controller on and off, the phase and hall wires going to the motor, the battery wires, and throttle wires that are the minimum required to power up the motor.
Again, what caused the initial damage, and what was damaged?
 
The initial damage was caused when the original owner hit up a pretty deep pothole in Washington Heights and ended up somehow underneath a work Van that was parked the damage that was done had to do with the front motor only. So what they did was cut the wires to it and eliminated it and the controller to it all together when I received the scooter, it was in running order. Working just fine, but he had crazy glued. The throttle piece back together and over time, I guess it corroded some of the plastic causing water damage. And I don't believe the the throttle shorted out, which is what started my issue with connecting wires and trying to match a throttle, so I'm about to post some photos about the pcd board and some wire connections that have come off of the board that I don't honestly know where they came from. But maybe you guys can help
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If he's only running on one motor, the time you have already spent on salvaging this junk is many times more than a new controller, throttle, plugs that would get the deathtrap back in business would cost.

What power level is it? Maybe we can make recommendations.
 
If he's only running on one motor, the time you have already spent on salvaging this junk is many times more than a new controller, throttle, plugs that would get the deathtrap back in business would cost.

What power level is it? Maybe we can make recommendations.
It's a 60v 1200w rear motor would be helpful to find a controller that has or is compatible with the the throttle / display that i have for it... thanks on advance and this is the throttle I have
 

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It's a 60v 1200w rear motor would be helpful to find a controller that has or is compatible with the the throttle / display that i have for it... thanks on advance and this is the throttle I have
In most cases, displays are only compatible with controllers of the same manufacturer. The firmware and communications protocols aren't universal across displays and controllers.
For a dual motor setup, the display only connects to one controller (I'll call that the master), and there are conductors between the master controller and the slave to provide signals including the throttle signal. So, the controllers are more or less a pair, requiring the right wiring to connect to two. Not sure if you can order the "slave" unit separately, but perhaps you can contact some of the vendors that sell the full set.


If your throttle and display is currently working with the one motor, then the controller is the master, and you are looking for the slave.
 
It's a 60v 1200w rear motor would be helpful to find a controller that has or is compatible with the the throttle / display that i have for it...
First, you don't need a display. If you think you need one, get a controller that comes with one, because matching two units that weren't designed to work together is very unlikely.

I bought one of these controllers recently, and it arrived (faster than expected), but I haven't tested it yet:

The throttle you show will have three wires coming out of it, corresponding to +5V, GND, and signal. On the controller I linked, that's respectively red, black, and green. If you attach the three throttle wires from your existing throttle to one of these (male 3-way) plugs, it will plug into the controller:

To turn the controller on, the thin red wire with a ring terminal must be connected to BATT+, ideally with a switch to turn the controller on and off without having to disconnect the battery.
 
Can anybody recommend a controller that fits the power of the motor that also comes with a display throttle and on off? Switch, just like the old one, and so that way it's very similar. I'm going to be sharing it with the old owner.And he would prefer to have it very similar, if not identical to the way that itwas dint mind shebang the money to give a controller with throttle display on off switch all in one
 
Can anybody recommend a controller that fits the power of the motor that also comes with a display throttle and on off? Switch, just like the old one, and so that way it's very similar.

E-HP sent you a link to controllers and display/throttle direct replacement that should be plug and play. If you only need one controller, leave the second one off.
 
In most cases, displays are only compatible with controllers of the same manufacturer. The firmware and communications protocols aren't universal across displays and controllers.
For a dual motor setup, the display only connects to one controller (I'll call that the master), and there are conductors between the master controller and the slave to provide signals including the throttle signal. So, the controllers are more or less a pair, requiring the right wiring to connect to two. Not sure if you can order the "slave" unit separately, but perhaps you can contact some of the vendors that sell the full set.


If your throttle and display is currently working with the one motor, then the controller is the master, and you are looking for the slave.
Wouldn't I need the master and not the slave
 
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