2 Wheel Drive electric bike prototype

The work goes on.
With a little bit of confusion....

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And NEW MOTOR, not outrunner but inrunner, 2.7Kg, 15kW peak

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Congratulations.... feels good huh!
 
Hi folks
We tested on circuit to.
Next step will be second elecgtric motor on front wheel.

Ready for the test
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GoPro video from test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaQ7gVyIjgs&list=HL1385220713&feature=mh_lolz
 
New test on bigger circuit
the video wad done on parking.
result of test: best lap 1:08, lenght 850m, average speed 45Km/h, not bad...


circuit: http://www.pistakartancona.it

video

http://youtu.be/y1oMEQImZNk

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mwkeefer said:
xranalli,

As gwhy stated - there are many known issues with dual wheel drive motorcycles and they are and likely have been the holy grail for sport bike design since the first proof of feasible electric motorcycles became reality.

I spent about a year perfecting (well, for my purposes) an all wheel drive primary controller using my favorite prototype MCU board the Arduino ATmega328, I had to dump the arduino library to regain my second time for use in Interrupts - **(loss or detection of loss of front wheel traction must be accounted for immediately, hence the use of interrupts). In the end the system monitored both motors current looking for various tells such as if the front motor loads up second or so before the rear it usually means an incline and delivers proportionally more power to the rear - unless there is slip.

One other trick was in monitoring the wheel speed of each wheel using 3 hall sensors and 14 bit oversampling per analog input - dedicating a single Atmega to detection of this condition when one wheel would go faster than the other.

My use in the end of a dual Hub Motor 2004 Hard Rock Pro with normal dirt track tires was to commute dozens of times to the pharmacy 4 miles from my condo complex at roughly 40 mph in 26" of snow (yes I was wearing ski gear and a full helmet) but the miraculous parts were:

A.) I was passing snow plows through the rough by at least 10 MPH on major highways
B.) My anti lock brake warning worked (could be connected to regen) and indicates if a wheel is slipping (small LED light on bar readout)
C.) No matter how hard I pushed the bike it felt more like an AWD truck or perhaps a Quad Runner is a better analogy, it was fast to accelerate, ran through the worst of it and never complained.
D.) In the 80+ miles of errand running on this bike with Pannier packs (running 15S2P per motor) I never once lost it, went down or had a hairy experience of loosing traction or balance! The log showed my anti slip system had activated > 1000 times in that 80+ miles over 2 days.

my system wasn't perfect (I hadn't designed for some hardware failures and didn't feel like it since I had proven the concept) but it's along the lines of what I believe you will need...

If I can be of assistance in designing or implementing an embedded or RTOS style control system, feel free to PM me.

Regards,
Mike Keefer
mwkeefer@gmail.com
267-303-7050

Wow that sounds awesome, do you have a picture of the bike ?
 
Question: if I use 2 throttles (one right, one left), one for rear motor, one for front motor. Do you think is it hard to manage?
Thanks
 
xranalli said:
Question: if I use 2 throttles (one right, one left), one for rear motor, one for front motor. Do you think is it hard to manage?
Thanks
Definitely too hard to manage. I think it would have the potential to be very dangerous.
 
@xranalli - how did you achieve the fabrication of that frame? Is it laser-cut, folded aluminium?
Do you work at a place where you can get this done, or how did you go about it? Is it expensive?
 
nice custom motorcycle! i also think it will be dangerous if you add a second throttle on the left side. better use one and spilt with some electronic to both controllers (as far as i know zombiess throttle tamer does have this function).

how much power do you pump into this little motor? 30-40Nm is really awesome!

i think the big chain spinning fast direct on the motor axle is not a good solution. It would be better to install a gear on the motor and go with chain direct to the wheel.

Why not use one Nova 30?
this would be cheaper and more simple to build, and you need no gear for this motor :)
 
Yes, Nova15 has little bit more the 30Nm and we use a gears on wheels.
We don't use Nova30 because the cost is high and we think that Nova15+gear are lighter and more efficient than Nova30
if you tested Nova30 please let us know your impressions.

Last time we went on circuit we destroied the prototype...
as you can see on pictures

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Here I post some pictures of P1 Blackbird
some improvement
1. we added rear disk brake (first prototype had not it!)
2. we added cooling fan for rear motor
3. we changed some mechanical detail
4. we painted black;)

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answers for Projectitis:

"how did you achieve the fabrication of that frame? Is it laser-cut, folded aluminium?
Do you work at a place where you can get this done, or how did you go about it? Is it expensive?"

Frame is make by laser cutting of aluminium sheet (peraluman) and rectangular profile (anticorodal), I know a company that can do cutting for me but this technology is very common,
the parts are glued together with epoxidic glue
for prototyping cost is not so high (300-400€)
much hand work is needed to clean surface of part to assemble, the rest is simple
 
Infact we went on circuit

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before to enter...

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...and during settings (red cross men are just seen, don't worry)

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Looking mighty beastly. Great work!

How did the rider like the powered front wheel helping pull the front around through the curves instead of it being pushed by the rear so the front plows through the curve the traditional way?
 
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