2006 Mongoose Black Diamond Single 1000w 48v Rear Hub

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Howdy Endless Sphere. Here's some pictures and information on my first e-bike build. I've got about 100 miles on and off road on the bike and it's been working great.

Here's the kit I installed on the bike. It's a 48v 1000w rear hub from eBay. After researching it a bit I believe it may be a sensored Aetoma or Wilderness Energy rear motor. I went with this kit because yescomusa.com was out of their 48v 1000w kit at the time I was ready to purchase. This seller was also in the USA and the price was right. I paid $253.95 shipped for the hub motor, controller, and thumb throttle. It arrived super fast and in great shape in about 3 days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/110915630670

I had initially intended on installing this kit on a K2 Big Easy Duce cruiser/comfort bike I had at the time. This introduced my first challenge, drop out width. The drop out width of this motor is 150mm and the width on my cruiser was 130mm. After researching spreading the frame width and other options I decided that this might not be the right bike for this motor. I was planning on around 30 mph top speed. As I continued to read lots of threads on ES I began to realize that at those speeds, frame strength and brake power were very important. I then learned that some of the older DH/freeride MTB's had 150mm rear drop out width and/or removable drop outs. These bikes also were designed to be strong, tough, go fast, and stop quick at those speeds.

After scouring Craigslist I came across my perfect candidate. It's a 2006 Mongoose Black Diamond Single. This bike had great reviews and was priced right. They were asking $600. It was in excellent shape but needed a tuneup as it had not been ridden in a couple of years. I worked out a trade for some electronics I got for free and $300 cash. This bike has hydraulic disk brakes, removable rear drop outs, and is built like a tank.
http://www.bikepedia.com/Quickbike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=2006&Brand=Mongoose&Model=Black+Diamond+Single&Type=bike

Once I tuned up the bike I began mounting the motor. The model I purchased came with the 130mm rear drop outs. They do make a 150mm rear drop out for this model. They're called the "maxle" drop out kit. Instead of purchasing new drop outs, I just moved the drop out with the derailleur hanger from the inside of the frame to the outside. It was really easy to move the drop out once I figured out the bolts holding it was called a chainring bolt. With the drop out moved, the width was perfect and everything lined up properly.
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The bike came with an 8 speed freewheel. I removed the 7 speed freewheel that came on the hub motor and added the 8 speed freewheel listed on this page. I also added the torque arms on this page on both sides. sdelectricbike.com is about 20 minutes from me and they're awesome in every way. If I was less of a DIY type of person I would have hired them for everything on this build. I created this build partially for the commute but mostly for the challenge and experience.
http://sdelectricbike.com/Accessories.html

The last problem I had to solve was mounting the batteries. I've been into RC for a couple of years so I already had a bunch of RC lipo experience. I started with 12s of 4s 20c HC lipo's. I think they were around $150 shipped from the USA warehouse for 6 4s lipo's. This gave me a total of 12s at 48v and 10ah.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=18631

I liked the front pelican case mount some members have done on the DH/freeride bikes. Unfortunately, my bike just didn't have the right amount of room for it to work perfectly for me. Also I needed to be able to remove them easily. I'm paranoid and I keep my lipo's in my bbq at home and in a steel mailbox at work. I built a hard case saddle pack configuration out of two pelican type cases and some vinyl gutter tubing. This setup works great! It keeps the weigh up front and balanced, it's easy to install and remove, and it doesn't interfere with turning or peddling.
http://www.frys.com/product/6055058
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I'm using this to mount my iPhone as a speedometer and GPS using the free iBike app. It was on sale at Fry's for like $20.
http://ibikesports.com/iPhone_bike_mount.html

I'm using this to check voltage, watts, amps, and amp hour usage. $24 from hobbypartz.com.
http://www.hobbypartz.com/26p-twometer.html

I'm using these tires with thorn resistant tubes. SCHWALBE 26X2.0 MARATHON GREENGUARD
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064FUVR2/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AOA0KG/

Because of the speeds involved I wanted a good quality helmet. I'm using this Bell Drifter military style helmet. It matches the bike, it's comfortable, and good quality.
http://www.thebellstore.com/product/street-helmets-belldrifter/bellmchelmets-driftercombat.html

Here's pictures of the bike. Let me know what you guys think. Right now I'm running it at 15s lipo, 63v, and get around 28mph and 1ah per mile for a distance of 10miles. My commute to work is 5 miles one way. A lot is downhill and I peddle a lot so I only use about 7.5 ah round trip.

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Here's the battery case details. I can carry four lipos on each side plus room for a patch kit, tire levers, a volt meter, electrical tape, and a couple of Allen wrenches.

http://www.b-w-international.com/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=59&lang=en


Dimensions
Inside dimension: 205 x 145 x 70 mm
Outside dimension: 225 x 170 x 85 mm
Package dimension: 0 x 0 x 0 mm
Volume: 2 L
Net weight: ca. 0.50 kg
Gross weight: 0.00 kg
Payload: 0.00 kg
 
The dimensions of the motor are pretty large. There weren't any names or numbers on the outside covers. I tried to take one off but I don't own a puller large enough. The axle is solid and the wires exit from a grove just like the Crystalyte motors. I think the phase wires are 12 gauge but maybe 14. Is there any way to tell if this motor would handle the same 63v but at 40a, about 2500w? Right now if I ride for several miles up hill WOT it gets warm but I can hold my hand on the covers. I don't have a temp gage but my rc experience tells me it's probably about 120 degrees. It pulls up some steep hills but I would like a little more torque. What do you think?


shorza said:
Looks good.

I would love to see more of that motor. It looks very similar in dimension to the H4080 (or H4060).
How big are the phase wires?
 
i have also think that motor is a HS4080. it is very huge magnet in size and look like is 40mm . I have contact them already. it is very good offer for such a HUGE motor, is look better the my conhismotor 48v 1000. you got a very good deal !.. i think if you try upgrade your controller , you can see alot of torque and speed.
 
icecube57 tried that motor, or one very much like it from the same eBay seller, and he wrote about it below:

Re: Tidal Force : 9C Revisited...
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20398&start=465#p603852
 
That's exactly the info I was looking for Mark5. Thank you for replying and posting a link. Looks like the inside just has more room but not really that heavy duty of a motor. I can't say as I'm that disappointed. The price was right and it's been running great on 63v and 1500w for 100+ miles on and off road. It was a great first motor to get my feet wet and it really is fun to ride.

icube57's experience and video makes me want to take mine apart even more now. I have to say that I encountered a similar experience to him but just shrugged it off as par for the course when dealing with inexpensive Chinese hub motors.

My disk rotor bolts were stripped, I just removed them with vise grips and installed the disk and bolts that came with the bike. I didn't even bother to see if the rotor was bent. I figured that the equipment that came on the bike was of a higher quality than would come on the motor.

Where the hub motor wires entered the axle, I just shoe go'ed them in place to make sure they didn't rub or move around. Obviously now that I see it could cut and short the wires, I'm going to have a 2nd look.

I have read lots of stories where the spokes are either loose or stretch on these Chinese hub motors. I just tighten them up as it happens and it's been fine. I hope that's ok. I was thinking of getting it relaced or doing it myself but it seems to run and drive just fine. It's hard to justify $80 relacing on a $250 kit. Ya know what I mean?

As for the broken freewheel cover plate, that totally sucks. I hope that doesn't happen to me, but if it does maybe I can get a Crystalyte cover to fit or make it work. This seems like a clone of their stuff. Are these hub motor covers with the freewheel threads available anywhere?

Anyway, if I had read his thread before purchasing, I probably would have waited. I'm kind of glad I didn't because I've ridden it enough to know that I'm hooked. I'll probably just ride this beast the way it is until I run into a pile of money or until it craps out on me and I can't repair it. Maybe by then the GNG or another mid drive kit will be bullet proof for under $500 and I'll move over.

mark5 said:
icecube57 tried that motor, or one very much like it from the same eBay seller, and he wrote about it below:

Re: Tidal Force : 9C Revisited...
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20398&start=465#p603852
 
MD, glad you're not that disappointed. I was hesitant to put a link to it especially in your build thread but others were asking about the motor.

Main thing is you like using it and the price was good. Motor is easily replaceable, use it and get all your money out of it, and I've been thinking inexpensive motor is less loss in case of theft. Anyway I wish I had a bike as nice as yours.
 
MD nice to see you posted your experience on your first build. I hope that I too will soon be on my way to enjoying some ebike ride's in my neck of the woods. As far as us both getting rooked with these wanna-be motors "it's all water under the bridge." Just chalk it up as a learning experience and just enjoy it while it last. I'm gonna go ahead with my build regardless as I already have all my ebike components less the bike that is, so if anyone here reading this post has a used down hill bike like MD's ranging from: $250-$500 is in the NY area or doesn't mind shipping (shoot me of a message) alright MD talk to you later ride safe.
 
very nice, bike looks cool and simple but very bada$$.

can you repost which motor you bought? any difference between this or the yescomusa motor?
 
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