$278.99 e-guruma ebike on ebay? any experiences

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In my search for ebike options (cheap, < 10 mile rides, no need for fast) for my wife I came upon this.
Curious if anyone has had any experience with them. Figuring you get what you pay for =)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Electric-Folding-BIke-250-Watts-Motor-Bicycle-by-e-guruma-/151015708020?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item23293cd574

Apparently a 24v 12AH SLA battery is included. Might be a nice light bike if replaced that SLA with LIPO

PS: I have absolutely no affiliation with seller, just curious. Seems just a basic mid-drive kit would cost more than this complete setup
 
hmmm a single bad review and tremendous price difference between ebay and amazon

http://www.amazon.com/guruma-Electric-Bike-Motorized-Folding/dp/B00B12PO20
 
Don't waste your money and add frustration to your life. The old adage, " you get what you pay for" comes to mind. Caveat emptor!
 
ya stay away from that imo. it looks like an extremely heavy, cheaply made old technology bike that will have SLA and go really slow.

its almost better to buy a regular peddle bike instead and youd get places quicker :) and be able to carry it up stairs
 
Somebody has to be making a profit for any product to be sellable, even if it is a just a small profit. At this price point, there will be no customer service. The parts will be shipped in light packaging and parts will arrive bent and broken, along with some missing parts.

I am not against buying a product with a few weaknesses ($200 worth of upgraded parts make the $400 GNG-V1 a pretty nice kit), but...there are too many horrible parts on this particular BSO (bike-shaped-object) to list them all. The one that screams out at me is the "kiddie bike"-grade 16-inch wheels. If it was a good bike with weak 20-inch wheels, at least you could easily and cheaply upgrade them to better quality wheels/tires (there are quality 16-inch wheels out there...these are not them).

I guarantee the brakes are the absolute worst that are available to the public.

The Ezip Trailz and the Yukon Trails are the cheapest E-bikes that are "barely adequate" (both under $500 + shipping), and at least a few of their parts are upgrade-able. If you want a good bike and a happy experience, save up $1,000 for the kit + the battery, and put them on a bike you actually know you already like and fits you well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QWH2VU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p200_d14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1M7C4B56AW2T8SJ2QX6K&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846

http://www.amazon.com/Currie-Technologies-Step-Thru-Electric-Bicycle/dp/B0090IBMGO/ref=sr_1_7?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1368895104&sr=1-7&keywords=ezip+trailz
 
Thanks. Thats how I was leaning...away from this item.

Would have brought hours of disappointment and sorrows
 
Hi You All,

I am a former bike shop owner (circa 1970's), but have not rode a bike since 1983 after being hit by a car. This electric folding bike (e-guruma EGU2) is the first bike I have purchased and ridden in all those years. I bought it on Ebay (also my first purchase on Ebay) since the starting price was so low. I purchased it for almost half the price listed above and I can give you a detailed review of my purchase. Since I have been retired for 10 years and take over 20 pills a day (including heart, arthritis and prostate medications) I am not going to be climbing mountains with my bike. I was looking for a folding electric bike, and the 16 inch wheels did not bother me, like to be close to the ground, in case anything happens. I was looking into the YikeBike, but couldn't arrange a test ride. Besides, it looks like something that an older man, like myself, might not be able to get the hang of.

Anyway when I unpacked the EGU2, it actually was not difficult to assemble, but one of the tools listed in the Assembly Manual, as supplied, was missing. Also, the crank was not lined up and had to be adjusted. On my first three test rides I had no problem pedaling the bike. Using the throttle for power-on-demand was a problem. It would run great for a short time and then the charge would rapidly decline. It is supposed to take 5 to 7 hours to fully charge. I charged it for 7 hours 3 times and each time the charge did not hold for more than a couple of blocks.

I ended up returning the bike and letting them know that either the battery or charger was defective. They obviously did not want a bad review on Ebay and offered to give me another bike, if I was interested. Always willing to give someone a second chance, I accepted. When opening the 2nd EGU2 I found the same tool missing once again. The cranks were lined up, but some of the nuts and bolts had apparently come loose in shipping and I had to rifle through the carton to find them. Also there was what appeared to be white paint on some of the components and almost everything that was securely tightened on the first bike was loose on this one. It was obvious that whoever put it in the box in the factory was in a hurry and did not tighten everything (even found one of "their tools" left in the box). I charged the battery and the red light never went off to show me when the bike was fully charged. I decided to test the bike anyway. It peddled fine, like the first one. This time the throttle worked fine and the bike got up to speed smoothly and rapidly. I rode it about five times the distance that I rode the first bike and it still showed a full charge, no battery drain. The only reason I stopped was because I found that other nuts and bolts were coming loose, ones I hadn't noticed.

Although this bike is far from perfect, it is pretty much what I expected for the price.
 
I bought something which might fit your needs. $450:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/e-Moto-Ridge-4-5-Electric-Bicycle-DEMO-/321271399016

They do continue to list them. It's been cold and snowy here since we got it, so I've had only a very limited ride on it. It seems well built "for the price". It's okay. The controller has only a one speed PAS, which is useless IMO. Additionally, if you pedal, the PAS overrides the throttle, instead of the other way around. I can put a BMS KU65 controller or equivalent on it, to get 3 speeds PAS and throttle override. For now, I unplugged the PAS connector and will just use the throttle for assist.

It could be upgraded to 36v by buying a new battery in the exact same case from BMS or others, or rebuilding or replacing the stock battery in the existing case. And a new controller to go with it. Probably not worth it but if I really come to like the bike, then maybe. At that doesn't include stouter tires and tubes, different seat, all the custom things a person might do. It's hard to justify spending too much on this one, I think.

It is a scratch and dent price. Mine had some good sized rubs and scratches, probably from shipping. It looked new otherwise.
 
what happened to the Bafang 350 you built for your wife in sept?
 
After repeated controller failure on my normal bike I bought this as a backup. Paid on July 3 2013, box came in around July 12. When I saw the 73 lbs package I expected some trouble, UPS did throw it around a bit. On opening I found a single wall box, inadequate for that weight. Parts were separated a little bit by some foam blocks and carton. There was some mechanical damage, for example in the folding area. I fixed these mechanical problems but a broken throttle on the handle bar could not be fixed. So I did contact the ebay seller top lighting. They requested pictures which I supplied. But they did never send me a replacement throttle in spite of some reminders..
I found the hall element was the variety with no magnetic flux on full throttle. So I used initially the on-off key to control the motor. The #25 chain for the motor had to be very tight, otherwise the chain came off a lot, sometimes with additional complications. On checking alignment between motor and rear wheel sprocket I found some 0.8" offset. To fix that I had to create new mounting holes for the motor.
The electric motor allowed some 7 m/hour only, has just 130W output. Support by pedaling is not possible, gearing with 32 teeth crank wheel to 16 teeth freewheel allows that only on slight uphill areas, otherwise to slow. I did install a 58 teeth crank wheel but this creates a new problem since the chain will collide with the frame. To solve that I used a Shimano derailleur set from another bike, routing this way the chain below the frame, very tight to install, also the rear standoff had to go.
After only 90 miles the rear tire did burst with a big bang. On disassembly I found an unbelievable shoddy tire, the fabric layer normally vulcanized to the inside of the tire, was just loosely in there and didn't supply any support, the result with the rough street surface here was unavoidable. So I bought some new tires and tubes, the front tire didn't look quite as bad but was replaced anyway.
There were many other problems. The seat post has to be adjusted quite high with this small bike but came always down after 2 or days. I found the quick adjustment fixture had some real shoddy threading with some threads entirely missing, so I did replace it with a screw. But that was not the end of that, the clamp is stamped out of quite thin metal and the screw head was digging into it, result as before. So I did add a larger nut as a washer, eventually I will need to find a new clamp. The quick connect clamp for the folding frame fell off one day somewhere, replaced with a standard screw with counter nut. Then I noticed a crack developing on the frame in the folding area so I switched to two bolts.
Another problem is the very low crank center. The pedals and your shoes touch the rough street surface very often, resulting in extreme wear, I had to replace both pedals already, worn away. I might move to 20" wheels to create more ground clearance.
Recently I noticed some smell like the motor was burning up internally as experienced several times on the other bike. Sure enough the small motor died yesterday after only 745 miles. So I turned around and ordered a replacement with 280 W output instead of the insufficient original 130 Watts. A 36 V Lithium battery fitting the installation bay is sitting around. Some controllers are on order, but not any more from US vendors after buying 5 over the last half year, 3 of them non functional, 2 of them failing after 2 and 10 days, no more potted junk, doesn't last at higher temperatures.. The first controller came in today, is not potted and tested ok, more to follow directly from China.
Will go on the original bike since I am getting tired off the time wasting slow speed of this small bike.
 
krvund,
what a classic example of....dealing with Bicycle Shaped Object as we on ES call it.
But this one is extreme.
From all your post, you are technical person good with tools,
didn't you see radiculously shoddy components on this "ebike" on eBay pictures before buying?
Like seat clamp designed for 20kg child rider?
Or you just bought it on purpose to rebuilt this "ebike" .
But how much it is going to cost after you rebuild it?
what if weld on the frame gives up and brakes?
 
miro13car said:
krvund,
what a classic example of....dealing with Bicycle Shaped Object as we on ES call it.
But this one is extreme.
From all your post, you are technical person good with tools,
didn't you see radiculously shoddy components on this "ebike" on eBay pictures before buying?
Like seat clamp designed for 20kg child rider?
Or you just bought it on purpose to rebuilt this "ebike" .
But how much it is going to cost after you rebuild it?
what if weld on the frame gives up and brakes?
Unfortunately you can't see on the ebay pictures any of the problems I encountered. You don't expect a large single wall box for 73 lbs and you expect some protective material around vulnerable parts like the hall effect throttle.
Anyway the price was attractive for a quick backup solution. I did put the original ebike back in service today after fitting yesterday the controller received from China. And this turned out to be a working one contrary to a total of 5 I bought in the US inside the last 6 month. I rode this Trailz bike for more than 15000 miles so far, but only after significant modifications. In a way the initial problems were of the same magnitude. Every of these bikes coming from China has problems. I am not sure that spending much more money on the original purchase gives you a problem free ride for many thousand miles.
The Trailz bike weighs a lot with the frame built like a tank but other parts are pretty week. The rear wheel bearings failed many times and if you loose the help of the electric then it is hard to move it by pedaling only. Next I might carefully select a bike and add the electrical parts myself, might have a better result this way.
 
Ow Im not alone hehe
I have the same bike purchased from Amazon for my daughter..Different brand but Im sure its the same in all components.It lasted only 2 days.On the first day it was running good,slow and noisy but its OK just for my daughter.Like they said the pedal assist and throttle control inter-acts at the same time,no option to kill the noisy motor when you just want to use your pedal power. On the second day,that bike like object what they call slammed on my car.That 300 dollar bike makes my pocket cry for a thousand bucks for car repair.When my daughter rode it home,the motor didnt stopped even you use the brake lever,It continously running and running until you remove the key.
The weight of the battery is heavier than the bike itself.No customer support to ask,no warranty to claim
 
Hi Xeon,

Must not be the e-guruma electric folding bike as it is not pedal assist, but only power-on-demand. It can be used as a regular bike with the electric motor shut off.
 
The replacement motor finally came in, Priority Mail took 10 instead of 3 days. The California vendor promptly argued with bad weather conditions, in CA?
So I installed it. After encountering a problem on removing the connector shell from the old motor I stole the shell from one of the non-functioning 5 controllers bought earlier.
But after connecting the motor there was no response to the throttle. After some measurements I determined that the original controller didn't survive the burnout. Luckily I just received from China a 24V controller that did fit on the connector side, problem solved after bending 2 tabs on the somewhat larger controller. With both new motor and controller bike gained some speed, maybe now up to 13 - 14 miles. But range is now diminished, time to replace the lead acid battery.
But on the 23rd the crack in the folding area did widen to the point where use of this bike got too dangerous. Also, the frame is now bending so much that the already very low ground clearance is now negative. So you can't use pedaling any more.
That's for now the end of e-guruma after around 800 miles, need to find or buy a welder to fix the problem.
 
Hi krvund,

I am so glad to be in communication with someone else that bought the same bike. I have only had it for about a month now, "the second one," as I had to return the first one (I could not get the battery to hold a charge).

I use it mainly for exercise and getting out in the fresh air. I'm retired and have a lot of medical problems, so I really need exercise. I mainly use the motor when I run out of steam and can't pedal any more. The slow speed does not bother me, if I am not in a hurry to get anyplace. I did have to replace the bolt that locks the seat in place, as the factory bolt did not lock into the frame and kept coming loose. The charge on this second bike is holding up great. Of course, I probably don't use the motor as much as you do, but I'll find out how long it lasts.

Your comments and observations have been very helpful and I will be looking out for some of these problems that you encountered with the bike. Like I said, I have only had it for a month and so far it is working for me.
 
Hi All,

I just saw the e-guruma electric folding bike for sale on another website:

http://www.saferwholesale.com/Electric-Cycle-Matic-Foldable-Bike-Bicycle-p/egr-250w-elec-cycmatic.htm

This time marked down from a "list price" of $849.99 to a "sale price" of $499.95. The same bike I paid $145 for. I think there will be some more disappointed buyers. At $145 I am willing to put up with some problems, but not at $849.95 or even at $499.95.

Look for some more people to be on this site with questions and complaints.
 
But it's fallen to $229 on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Electric-Folding-BIke-250-Watts-Motor-Bicycle-by-e-guruma/151139661065?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131230161411%26meid%3D4514938285977228570%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D20131230161411%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D151015708020
 
$199,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Folding-Bicycle-16-Beautiful-Red-Finish-Edgy-Motor-Bike-/281184198699?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4177e2602b&x=40&y=7
 
That's remarkably cheap. Five times the price buys something barely acceptable. This is extreme. If it works at all it's a miracle. I like the fact I wouldn't care if it got nicked.

edit: sorry, no experience
 
I stayed away from this bike shaped object and keeping to the Bafang mid drives mostly for now. Very interesting discussions though.
 
its interesting, the link abouve showed that it was sold out. Down at the bottom of the page, there were other listing for the $278 price. I clicked on it and it did, indeed, show the bike for $278. I clicked on the other link and the bottom that had the same bike listed at the same price, and when the page loaded, the price was listed as $999.00 instead of $278. I then went back to the other listing that showed $278 a few seconds earlier and that one also listed the price at $999.00.

Not sure if it was a temporary glitch or what.
 
Don't know which one you're saying is sold out, the $199 says more than 10 are still available after 30 already sold.

As for the flucuating prices of the others, welcome to eBay. Standard Operational Bull. No matter how many sellers names you find offering it, you never know if they're all the same seller.
 
FWIW, There's a person on Craigslist in LA selling these things for about $80 each... But you have to buy the whole lot of XXX number. It's like $15k worth of bikes that were a canceled customer order.
 
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