Ykick
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Alan Partee, is that you?
And I was beginning to think the Prodeco folks were shill thread experts...
And I was beginning to think the Prodeco folks were shill thread experts...
A BUSETTII 86 MILE RANGE
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grindz145
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jmygann said:
Huh? Not true.
Ykick
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grindz145 said:
But it's from a PhD battery engineer...
Paul_G
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This is the 86 mile range model with two battery's ....not the Big 50
http://www.busettii.com/vortex-mountain-ebike-6086-m6086.html
http://www.busettii.com/vortex-mountain-ebike-6086-m6086.html
dogman dan
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Yeah, I understood that the bike had 20 ah, or about 750wh of battery.
I just think it's pointless to make a range test at speeds where the riders input can skew the results spectacularly. A fit rider could easily do 40 miles using 0 wh for the first part of the test. That would take about 200w of rider effort. Easy for a racer to do for hours.
Do the math. 87 miles divided by 15 mph nonstop. 5.7333 hours of riding. Whoo hooo! My bike goes a long way too when run at 130 watts. Big deal, anybodies ebike goes a long way when used at 130w.
A much more realistic number is how far the bike would go at 300w, which may get you into the 20 mph ballpark. Gee wow, you get about 50 miles. If the motor really does make that much less heat, that's getting believable. Believable if the rider still pedals pretty hard, and has no wind, no hills, no stops, and tucks pretty aero. Put on regular clothes and panniers, and this bike will still get about what I get out of 750 wh. 20-35 miles depending on speed.
I just think it's pointless to make a range test at speeds where the riders input can skew the results spectacularly. A fit rider could easily do 40 miles using 0 wh for the first part of the test. That would take about 200w of rider effort. Easy for a racer to do for hours.
Do the math. 87 miles divided by 15 mph nonstop. 5.7333 hours of riding. Whoo hooo! My bike goes a long way too when run at 130 watts. Big deal, anybodies ebike goes a long way when used at 130w.
A much more realistic number is how far the bike would go at 300w, which may get you into the 20 mph ballpark. Gee wow, you get about 50 miles. If the motor really does make that much less heat, that's getting believable. Believable if the rider still pedals pretty hard, and has no wind, no hills, no stops, and tucks pretty aero. Put on regular clothes and panniers, and this bike will still get about what I get out of 750 wh. 20-35 miles depending on speed.
Spacey
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Wow, check out all the bad reviews after the article. Pisses me off when businesses do that to customers.
http://electricbikereport.com/electric-bike-review-busettii-big-50-part-2/#more-2075
For the record and I mean real world....we get 26 to 30 miles engine only next to zero peddling on the A123 36v 11.5Ah Cellman packs with 250W motor.
This is with very hilly UK countryside roads with some quite strong winds.
http://electricbikereport.com/electric-bike-review-busettii-big-50-part-2/#more-2075
For the record and I mean real world....we get 26 to 30 miles engine only next to zero peddling on the A123 36v 11.5Ah Cellman packs with 250W motor.
This is with very hilly UK countryside roads with some quite strong winds.
cal3thousand
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Sad thing is...
Only the folks who know their science and craft are going to catch the falsities. Unfortunately, the common man will be sold
Only the folks who know their science and craft are going to catch the falsities. Unfortunately, the common man will be sold
ambroseliao
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I hope that buyers of these POS ebikes don't end up thinking that all ebikes are of the same quality!
As the old adage states, you get what you pay for.
As the old adage states, you get what you pay for.
I am a spamming shill
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Very surprised to see so many people not taking the time to read all of the info at busettii.com and biyadii.com about the Vortex and the Big 50 by Busettii.
Every question raised on these pages is explained on one of the above sites that have been up for over a year now.
YES, Vortex does come with 2 batteries and YES, the 86 miles per charge includes both batteries used together as one. And Yes that 86 miles is for pedal assist mode MEDIUM power level with just steady moderate pedaling from the rider. The steady cruising speed is 15 mph which is pretty standard for testing e-bikes.
With no pedaling at all My Vortex will go 60 miles on one charge if you cruise at a steady 15 mph (2 x 38v 10ah on board =20 ah which is how it comes). Most companies are going by the standard of using a very flat loop course with very little wind 170 lbs. rider and properly inflated tires and adjusted brakes etc. Low roll resistance street tires. The Vortex has an actual built in 3 speed automatic transmission at the pedals and also on the rear wheel there is an internal NEXUS 3 speed shifter that the rider can shift at the handle bars. Therefore its a double internal shifter system with a total of 9 internal gears that all run directly off of the motor and chain drive. It is so rare to have things like a 3 speed auto transmission or even a Nexus internal hub on the back for an e-bike that I think its throwing people for loop here. It says clearly on Busettii 's page that its a 500 watt motor that can produce the torque of 1000 watt hub motor because of the extra torque generated by the built in trasmission.
However at 15 mph steady cruising speed the only question is how many amps does it need to hold the bike at a steady 15 mph (thats the only question that matters for any range testing). On the Vortex the answer is 5 amps at 38 volts. MOst E-bikes without a real transmission (i.e. hub motors) will be using about 9--10 amps to hold that steady cruising speed of about 15 mph. If you are using a steady 5 amps the Bike will cruise for 4 hours at 15 mph and reach about 60 miles on one charge with no pedaling at all. In pedal assist mode the rider is taking much of the stress and load off of the battery and the VORTEX can cruise at 15 mph in PAS mode medium using about 3 amps constant at 38 volts. AGAIN, the Vortex carries 20 ah at 38 volts. Since it can hold 15 mph in PAS medium using just 3 amps (which means rider is putting out 2 amps) The Vortex will cruise for about 5 hours and 40 minutes under these conditions which is exactly 86 miles.
The only amazing thing about all of this is the fact that the controller, motor and battery produces very little heat which is exactly what you need for high efficiency on an e-bike. I have tried out over 20 different E-bikes and I always carry my didgital thermometer ! Most e-bikes run very HOT ! Hot controller, Hott battery and even Hot motors. I usually get a reading of over 140 F off of all 3 components after riding just 20 minutes for most brands. My Busettii Vortex (I own 7 diff. E-bikes) got a reading of 92 F motor, 90 F degrees on the Battery and 93 F on the controller. The coolest readings I ever got from any e-bikes ( on this day the air was at 90 F).
I rarely see people on this site that even know the basics about E-bikes. The main thing that matters is how cool they can run and not waste energy thru heat. Also, some Lith. ion batteries from CHINA are so cheap that the safety shut -off is set to 50% or 40% to protect the cheap battery from burning out. Of course big Name brand batteries have a 20--30% safety shut off like A123, Sony, Samsung But when was the last time you saw those offered on an E-bike ???? try never. Having any kind of known brand name on an E-bike is already way better than those no brand no info batteries that come on 95% of all e-bikes on the market today. Thanks, LA E Bike Fanatic
Every question raised on these pages is explained on one of the above sites that have been up for over a year now.
YES, Vortex does come with 2 batteries and YES, the 86 miles per charge includes both batteries used together as one. And Yes that 86 miles is for pedal assist mode MEDIUM power level with just steady moderate pedaling from the rider. The steady cruising speed is 15 mph which is pretty standard for testing e-bikes.
With no pedaling at all My Vortex will go 60 miles on one charge if you cruise at a steady 15 mph (2 x 38v 10ah on board =20 ah which is how it comes). Most companies are going by the standard of using a very flat loop course with very little wind 170 lbs. rider and properly inflated tires and adjusted brakes etc. Low roll resistance street tires. The Vortex has an actual built in 3 speed automatic transmission at the pedals and also on the rear wheel there is an internal NEXUS 3 speed shifter that the rider can shift at the handle bars. Therefore its a double internal shifter system with a total of 9 internal gears that all run directly off of the motor and chain drive. It is so rare to have things like a 3 speed auto transmission or even a Nexus internal hub on the back for an e-bike that I think its throwing people for loop here. It says clearly on Busettii 's page that its a 500 watt motor that can produce the torque of 1000 watt hub motor because of the extra torque generated by the built in trasmission.
However at 15 mph steady cruising speed the only question is how many amps does it need to hold the bike at a steady 15 mph (thats the only question that matters for any range testing). On the Vortex the answer is 5 amps at 38 volts. MOst E-bikes without a real transmission (i.e. hub motors) will be using about 9--10 amps to hold that steady cruising speed of about 15 mph. If you are using a steady 5 amps the Bike will cruise for 4 hours at 15 mph and reach about 60 miles on one charge with no pedaling at all. In pedal assist mode the rider is taking much of the stress and load off of the battery and the VORTEX can cruise at 15 mph in PAS mode medium using about 3 amps constant at 38 volts. AGAIN, the Vortex carries 20 ah at 38 volts. Since it can hold 15 mph in PAS medium using just 3 amps (which means rider is putting out 2 amps) The Vortex will cruise for about 5 hours and 40 minutes under these conditions which is exactly 86 miles.
The only amazing thing about all of this is the fact that the controller, motor and battery produces very little heat which is exactly what you need for high efficiency on an e-bike. I have tried out over 20 different E-bikes and I always carry my didgital thermometer ! Most e-bikes run very HOT ! Hot controller, Hott battery and even Hot motors. I usually get a reading of over 140 F off of all 3 components after riding just 20 minutes for most brands. My Busettii Vortex (I own 7 diff. E-bikes) got a reading of 92 F motor, 90 F degrees on the Battery and 93 F on the controller. The coolest readings I ever got from any e-bikes ( on this day the air was at 90 F).
I rarely see people on this site that even know the basics about E-bikes. The main thing that matters is how cool they can run and not waste energy thru heat. Also, some Lith. ion batteries from CHINA are so cheap that the safety shut -off is set to 50% or 40% to protect the cheap battery from burning out. Of course big Name brand batteries have a 20--30% safety shut off like A123, Sony, Samsung But when was the last time you saw those offered on an E-bike ???? try never. Having any kind of known brand name on an E-bike is already way better than those no brand no info batteries that come on 95% of all e-bikes on the market today. Thanks, LA E Bike Fanatic
ambroseliao
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This is an old and tired claim from Busettii. The quality of their bikes is abysmal as attested to by a bike store owner who owned 12 of their bikes and every one of them failed dismally. See here:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29822&hilit=busettii#p435685
Also, folks with only 3 posts are very suspect of being trolls for the company. Lastly, your claiming that few folks here know the basics about ebikes is about as ludicrous as your claims that your bikes go 86 miles per charge!
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29822&hilit=busettii#p435685
TheFlyingHandlebar said:
Also, folks with only 3 posts are very suspect of being trolls for the company. Lastly, your claiming that few folks here know the basics about ebikes is about as ludicrous as your claims that your bikes go 86 miles per charge!
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My Busettii Bike has been great so far. Been riding 7 months now and its still getting about 46--50 miles per charge. I have tried many e bikes and I own 4 so far. The great thing about Busettii is the awesome hill climbing power and smooth quiet motor. The acceleration is faster than others and the auto pedal and throttle are both integrated in a nice way to help cruise at about 26 mph without any problems. I think I will add disc brakes later But it still stops pretty good now. If I cruise at 15 mph I get about 50 miles per charge no pedaling BUT if I run it the throttle wide open at 23 mph I only get about 38 miles per charge. That still is great because my other e-bikes only go about 10 miles at that speed. Next I want to buy a Vortex because I have 3 friends riding that one and they really like it. Anyone can contact me with questions at jamie1955french@gmail.com for I think Busettii has made some good stuff and I have tested many of them.
I have seen comments here suggesting that a Busettii 600 watt motor can't go 50 miles on a 52 volt 15 ah battery--- Hogwash ! I put an meter on my Busettii Motor and its using about 265 watts to hold a steady 15 mph speed under which its tested so if I ride like that for 3.3 hours it does bring me to about 50 miles and a fully discharged battery. The big difference is in heavy stop and go riding. I still get about 38 miles per charge and if I go on a very hilly course I get about 34 miles. Compared to my other 4 e-bikes that I have this is great mileage. Happy to find this great E bike site ! Jamie
I have seen comments here suggesting that a Busettii 600 watt motor can't go 50 miles on a 52 volt 15 ah battery--- Hogwash ! I put an meter on my Busettii Motor and its using about 265 watts to hold a steady 15 mph speed under which its tested so if I ride like that for 3.3 hours it does bring me to about 50 miles and a fully discharged battery. The big difference is in heavy stop and go riding. I still get about 38 miles per charge and if I go on a very hilly course I get about 34 miles. Compared to my other 4 e-bikes that I have this is great mileage. Happy to find this great E bike site ! Jamie
ambroseliao
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Hi E Bike Lover. Forgive me for sounding like a broken record, but another first post and another glowing review and another claim that the bike goes 50 miles on a charge. Ridiculous. Please stop signing on with different names and trying to make your bikes sound like amazing mileage wonders. You sound identical to LA Bike Fanatic in this post:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29822&start=15#p545609
I bet a check of your IP addresses will prove that you are one in the same! Please decist and be gone! No matter how much you want to sell these POS machines and make ridiculous claims, they are impossible and outrageous.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29822&start=15#p545609
I bet a check of your IP addresses will prove that you are one in the same! Please decist and be gone! No matter how much you want to sell these POS machines and make ridiculous claims, they are impossible and outrageous.
SamTexas
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Come on, it's not that big of an exaggeration. In fact it's perfectly doable at a reasonable speed.jimw1960 said:
It takes 125W to run a 220lbs mountain bike at 13mph on flat ground on a calm day. Assuming 80% efficiency, the actual power is 156W.
Battery capacity = 38*20 = 760Wh
760 / 156 = 4.87hrs
4.87hrs * 13mph = 63 miles.
ambroseliao
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You and I both know it's impossible to ride at less than 1/3rd of the power of the bike when you have flat level ground for almost 5 hours. You'd have to be someone with unlimited amounts of time and the need to stretch your mileage just to prove a point. It's much more realistic to get there at near full throttle in half the time. In which case, you wouldn't get there (63 miles) at all!
My point is not only that it's impossible, my point is also that this guy is a stooge for or the owner of Busettii bikes and is writing a testimonial for his own products as he's done before.
My point is not only that it's impossible, my point is also that this guy is a stooge for or the owner of Busettii bikes and is writing a testimonial for his own products as he's done before.
SamTexas
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I can only speak for myself, ambroseliao. I have 5 ebikes so far, and only one of them was built for speed (dual 9c 2807, 40mph top speed). The one built for speed is fun but also is the one LEAST used. I don't enjoy being on a bicycle and not pedaling. I hate fake pedaling too. So I ride my other 4 ebikes at around 18mph average with me contributing about 50% of the required power. That's 120W from me and 120W from the motor. The motor is a 9c 2807 rated at 500W, so 120W is less than 1/4 of what it's capable of. As for time, yes, I do have unlimited time. When I get on my bicycle (electrified or not), it's for pleasure. There is never a rush for me.
I do understand that most people here on ES use ebikes as if they were a scooter or a motorcycle. But ES members are not in anyway representative of the ebike community.
No, I'm not siding with Busettii. I was simply saying that their range claim was not greatly exaggerated. But let's face the reality: Let's say they change the range from 65 to 32.5 miles. Would everyone agree that the new range is realistic. Of course not. Right here on this board, we have guys that brag about their 50wh/mi or even higher consumption rate.
I do understand that most people here on ES use ebikes as if they were a scooter or a motorcycle. But ES members are not in anyway representative of the ebike community.
No, I'm not siding with Busettii. I was simply saying that their range claim was not greatly exaggerated. But let's face the reality: Let's say they change the range from 65 to 32.5 miles. Would everyone agree that the new range is realistic. Of course not. Right here on this board, we have guys that brag about their 50wh/mi or even higher consumption rate.
ambroseliao
100 kW
I understand your point. Do you understand mine about having stooges or disguising yourself as a user when you are really the owner?
SamTexas
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I do.
ambroseliao
100 kW
Thanks! 
I guess some people would rather go far than go fast. Who knew!
I guess some people would rather go far than go fast. Who knew!
It does in fact show the same IP address for both, so I have reassigned the post from "E Bike Lover" to "LA Bike Fanatic", and banned both usernames for creation of duplicate accounts for the purpose of spamming the forum.ambroseliao said:
Ykick
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Thanks AW.
My editorial about this is we all want to see eBikes flourish and prosper but with honesty and integrity. Not only with regard to performance claims but this "shill" nonsense as well. Had these people just been honest about their product and identities from the beginning ES exposure could probably help them.
Now however, they're totally in the shit house around here and potential customers who seek eBike purchase information will find this company to be dishonest lowlifes. What a way to squander a golden opportunity! Sad, sad, sad...
My editorial about this is we all want to see eBikes flourish and prosper but with honesty and integrity. Not only with regard to performance claims but this "shill" nonsense as well. Had these people just been honest about their product and identities from the beginning ES exposure could probably help them.
Now however, they're totally in the shit house around here and potential customers who seek eBike purchase information will find this company to be dishonest lowlifes. What a way to squander a golden opportunity! Sad, sad, sad...
luvxu
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I wonder if somebody here has a Busettii ebike so I can learn how well it performs compared to mine. Mine is a Vortex with a 36V battery. It performs well on flat road and small incline. However for bigger hills around my home it went up very slowly. It seems that the bike was also trying to gear shift to a lower gear by itself. Every time that it did it, there was a loud clicking noise that is a bit embarassing if there are other people around. I noticed that the rear wheel has a Shimano Nexus 3-speed gear hub. Since I never have a 3-speed gear bike before, I don't know if the noise and auto gear change is a normal thing or not? I don't know if by replacing the rear wheel gear hub the noise will go away?
Previous to the Busettii Vortex, I had also built a 500W ebike from a rear wheel kit sold on eBay. Comparing the Busettii to the DIY ebike, I must say that the DIY bike is a lot easier to use. It makes it especially easy for the wife. It only has one throttle to push and no fancy computer with different power levels. It also went up the hill a lot faster. For the DIY I have a 48V battery. I don't know if this is the reason for the extra power that I felt or not?
Pictures of my Busettii bike:
Picture of the Shimano 3-speed hub on the Busettii:
Picture of my DIY 500W bike:
I am very much interested in getting rid of the gear changing noise on the Busettii. If you have any idea please let me know.
Thank you.
Previous to the Busettii Vortex, I had also built a 500W ebike from a rear wheel kit sold on eBay. Comparing the Busettii to the DIY ebike, I must say that the DIY bike is a lot easier to use. It makes it especially easy for the wife. It only has one throttle to push and no fancy computer with different power levels. It also went up the hill a lot faster. For the DIY I have a 48V battery. I don't know if this is the reason for the extra power that I felt or not?
Pictures of my Busettii bike:
Picture of the Shimano 3-speed hub on the Busettii:
Picture of my DIY 500W bike:
I am very much interested in getting rid of the gear changing noise on the Busettii. If you have any idea please let me know.
Thank you.
Ypedal
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lmao.. 60 mile.. and they PRINT IT ON THE FRAME !!!... :lol: ....
how far to you " really " get on a charge?
regarding the noise, does it auto-shift? or do you have a 3 speed lever on the handlebars?
.. yes.. 48v will certinaly be more powerfull, Volts x Amps = Watts ... that " 500w " kit is likely pulling 1000w under load.. vs the busetti being hard limitted to 500w or less..
how far to you " really " get on a charge?
regarding the noise, does it auto-shift? or do you have a 3 speed lever on the handlebars?
.. yes.. 48v will certinaly be more powerfull, Volts x Amps = Watts ... that " 500w " kit is likely pulling 1000w under load.. vs the busetti being hard limitted to 500w or less..
I'm glad you already discovered that DIY is better in a very short period of time
If you want to know what your power consumption is, you need a watt/amp/volt meter.
https://www.google.com/search?sugex....,cf.osb&fp=957a84ff551f46da&biw=1270&bih=701
My guess is that with a 48v battery, you've got double or triple the power of the busettii bike on your DD hub setup.
If you want to know what your power consumption is, you need a watt/amp/volt meter.
https://www.google.com/search?sugex....,cf.osb&fp=957a84ff551f46da&biw=1270&bih=701
My guess is that with a 48v battery, you've got double or triple the power of the busettii bike on your DD hub setup.
1000w
1 kW
This is probably the hub skipping between two gears because the adjustment between the handle bar shifter and the hub itself is not right. The shifter cable will have a screw adjustment at one or both ends.luvxu said:
Have a play with the adjusters so that you can clearly feel the three different gears when you move the shifter into the three different positions.
Good luck.
luvxu
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There is a lever for gear shift on the right handle. I can gear shift using this lever. I am not so sure about this automatic gear shift or that there is something wrong with the gear that caused it to slip and making all this noise. This is why I like to hear from others who might have similar bikes.
I am very impressed with the DIY bike indeed. It took a bit of time at the beginning to gather all the necessary tools for the job but once I got all that, it was very easy. I was able to get it done in an afternoon. I ride my daughter everyday and the hills and head winds used to be a problem. Now with the new bike I have no more problem and we can go out more often.
I am very impressed with the DIY bike indeed. It took a bit of time at the beginning to gather all the necessary tools for the job but once I got all that, it was very easy. I was able to get it done in an afternoon. I ride my daughter everyday and the hills and head winds used to be a problem. Now with the new bike I have no more problem and we can go out more often.
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