Announcement - Soon to be released easybuild battery box

great job man.. cant wait !!
I like the idea of seperate boxes of 5x4 and 6x4 .. it makes it easier with small chargers and allows 10s, 11s, 12s configs..
About the oxidation (arcing) problem .. I`ve read that quantum solar dot researchers use a silica coating to prevent it..
 
myzter said:
great job man.. cant wait !!
I like the idea of seperate boxes of 5x4 and 6x4 .. it makes it easier with small chargers and allows 10s, 11s, 12s configs..
About the oxidation (arcing) problem .. I`ve read that quantum solar dot researchers use a silica coating to prevent it..
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Thanks gidoo, thanks myzter. I'm collecting as many ideas and suggestions as possible. Will have to start a new thread for advice on what are the best size and voltage configurations for the packs. I think they might come in every size packs for home assembly, because it can take 20 minutes and a table to assemble and it's very cool fun! perhaps a home making version and a prefab version, it depends if i have many requests, if i just get enough to make it in sheets i'll cut up and send any size else i can stick them together, it's essentially a box with sides and some super awesome technology within it. I'll have to make a company to serve others needs like im a french maid or the company will be lame, will have to figure out all in advance.
 
The battery hole?

[youtube]HXJkLBj6G1k[/youtube]

:lol:
 
booty-ry box

Someone used to call me ... Neonant.. Live and dierect. LIVE AND DIRECT? :lol:
... this is why I need your help:


boxelectron .........

bleb wattub

wattub robations ................

electrotub
super carrot can

robot iontub
3AAbat
supersubohm
subohm
ohmcrate
atoll bat
ohmidion
ohmilion
tankelion

coolion tub
lithium coitus
lithiumdock
minibatport
tinoflion
dugong lion
dugong lithium
cratestation
atolstation
cratolstation
robot portal ***********
efficiency portal ------
mylectric station
cubatom portal
cubatom robot
rowabatt boxtronic
tabular batt
tabulartronic
create a robot
cratoleni
caisse
matrix station
matrix incubator


energy stock box

electro box ...................................
 
You look confused man. Its been done some time ago now by member snath:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57008&p=850127#p850127
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57810
Its been done with rare magnets as well.
Elasticity is just one integer in this. How about elastomer set properties, hardness? Which one have you looked at?
From what i see it is long, long road to make it something usable. The so called "tests" you have done give zero information on the performance of the battery. I specially enjoined continuity test, it was best comedy clip i ever watched, thumbs up for that.
"Big corporations" trying to steal your "invention" is just laughable. There is nothing to steal. It just looks and sounds as ridiculous as it is.
You probably could patent longest post on ES with meaningless words for the product that does not exist nor will :D

P.S. I could give you one suggestion for the name - pcsOFcrap
 
zzoing said:
The "invention" is the use viscoelastic polymers within the box which is the only way in which a battery can be held cozily enough that it is safe enough to avoid internal arcing. I am curious, has anyone used viscoelastic polymers in an evehicle solderless box ever?
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LOL

Ive used visco-elastic polymers in production batteries for years now, however it's for the opposite behavior, to evenly distribute pressure as things expand and contract from SOC/temp/age etc due to it creeping to minimize any pressure focusing points that could cause uneven cell active material use.

A quick note on it's behavior to relax to zero pressure copied from wikipedia:


Viscoelastic creep[edit]
Main article: Creep (deformation)

a) Applied stress and b) induced strain (b) as functions of time over a short period for a viscoelastic material.
When subjected to a step constant stress, viscoelastic materials experience a time-dependent increase in strain. This phenomenon is known as viscoelastic creep.

At a time {\displaystyle t_{0}} t_{0}, a viscoelastic material is loaded with a constant stress that is maintained for a sufficiently long time period. The material responds to the stress with a strain that increases until the material ultimately fails, if it is a viscoelastic liquid. If, on the other hand, it is a viscoelastic solid, it may or may not fail depending on the applied stress versus the material's ultimate resistance. When the stress is maintained for a shorter time period, the material undergoes an initial strain until a time {\displaystyle t_{1}} t_{1}, after which the strain immediately decreases (discontinuity) then gradually decreases at times {\displaystyle t>t_{1}} t > t_1 to a residual strain.

Viscoelastic creep data can be presented by plotting the creep modulus (constant applied stress divided by total strain at a particular time) as a function of time.[14] Below its critical stress, the viscoelastic creep modulus is independent of stress applied. A family of curves describing strain versus time response to various applied stress may be represented by a single viscoelastic creep modulus versus time curve if the applied stresses are below the material's critical stress value.

Viscoelastic creep is important when considering long-term structural design. Given loading and temperature conditions, designers can choose materials that best suit component lifetimes.



The property you want to support a connection, which would be a perfect elastic with no viscous-flow. Hence the criticallity of choosing the lowest long-term creep material available if you wish to maintain low contact resistance through pressure.

Further, it's so painfully douchey to hear the fantasy of IP delusions being a priority over gaining even the core conceptual function basics of the concept freely shared here you're trying to rip-off with a design mod that ensures the battery is a time-delay incendiary device. We tend to keep ES rooted in reality, which tautologically defines property as something in limited supply. As choices in the arrangement of simple machines is neither diminished nor reduced by similar arrangements being made, likewise an idea is not reduced or diminished by being shared freely (up to effectively infinite scaling). Ideas inherently can not be property no matter how strongly the indoctrination of the delusional may enjoy choosing to imagine they can.
 
agniusm said:
You look confused man. Its been done some time ago now by member snath:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57008&p=850127#p850127
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57810
Its been done with rare magnets as well.
Elasticity is just one integer in this. How about elastomer set properties, hardness? Which one have you looked at?
From what i see it is long, long road to make it something usable. The so called "tests" you have done give zero information on the performance of the battery. I specially enjoined continuity test, it was best comedy clip i ever watched, thumbs up for that.
"Big corporations" trying to steal your "invention" is just laughable. There is nothing to steal. It just looks and sounds as ridiculous as it is.
You probably could patent longest post on ES with meaningless words for the product that does not exist nor will :D

P.S. I could give you one suggestion for the name - pcsOFcrap
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Jeebus all any of us, not so technical, want is a design for a rebuildable 18650. Seems a pipe dream...thanks for the save and the saving me anymore time following this one.
 
I see you followed my build thread. I am still working on it, having time off to rethink details and #3 prototype is nearly ready. So keep an eye on it time to time ;)
 
The name has to be something rational. Please don't make some fancy name like battery-re-try or such thing. You have to be able to remember the name and it has something to do with the product. I like following names:

mylectric station
tankelion
coolion tub
boxectrix
electric cars last 400,000 miles instead of 250,000
rangement-daccu

COOLion (my own creation^^ xD)
 
liveforphysics said:
Elasticity info and intellectual property info
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Regarding elasticity, Input is appreciated, particularly in a concise and factual manner, however, that would necessitate a knowledge of elastomer chemistries and industrial compounds and their current measurements in use and so on.

I'd prefer that you specifically state what limits tension set and permanent set would have on the design. As a 34 year old electronics expert and physicist, it doesnt necessarily mean that you are an expert in elasticity and modern elastomer performance. AKA: no worries everything is based on industrial products with a long history of testing and where performance over a number of years can be predicted.

Regarding patents, OK i can take that as a lesson that nothing regarding green energy should be patented. that said, there are 5000 lithium ancilliary companies that for the most part wouldn't let anyone in their labs because they are trying to protect all their technology for themselves... I am saying... you have to be wary with those kinds of people about! I just had a moment of doubt about wether to publish only half of my final plan at all. my bad.

liveforphysics said:
agniusm wrote: I specially enjoined continuity test, it was best comedy clip i ever watched
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Agnisium, what a negative comment. pcsOfCrap? what if i call your design a pcs Of Crap... is that adult behaviour?

you are clearly in a bad mood today, :wink: thanks for the good vibes :)

The reason why you are sounding angry, is clearly because you have designed a box for a long time and never run any performance tests on it. why you didn't?

Did you ever do a continuity test on your battery? Why not?
It's a 2.5 kHz Buzzer. please tell me technically why 2.5kHz is funny? electrically what would you do to measure small irregularites in a 48v rail?

Everything will be based on current materials that can be simulated for many years with regards to compression set and so forth. It's best if i conclude this request for help for a name of a product if it creates some kinds of confusion, please comment instead with quantitative and qualitative scientific information and graphs and performance data.
 
I am not in a bad mood. I told you what had to be told. LFP is a person with a lot of experience with recognizable background who designed some serious stuff. If you dont take into account what he said, you are a fool.
I repeat myself. You are delusional. I can guaranty you that after a year you will be sitting where you are now - nowhere.
I am usualy spot on with predictions like this.
 
agniusm said:
I see you followed my build thread. I am still working on it, having time off to rethink details and #3 prototype is nearly ready. So keep an eye on it time to time ;)
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Yup, always watching. Saw the photos today...
 
agniusm said:
I am not in a bad mood. I told you what had to be told. LFP is a person with a lot of experience with recognizable background who designed some serious stuff.
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LFP quoted me a wiki page summarizing one of the first principles of elastomers that you learn on day1 of elastomer engineering. It's not worth arguing about before seeing diagrams. lithium lasts 10 times longer if you stress it a bit less, the same basic truth goes for rubber materials.

compression set is no greater than 50 percent of the deformation even after a thousand hours in a coolant (mixture of glycol and water) at a temperature of 125 °C. Furthermore, the overall property profile of the cured new silicone rubber remains virtually unchanged under long-term load.

i.e. 40 days at 125'C... there are performance compression set products which are considerably better than that, because it doesnt have to be waterproof, it can be an open cell structure... the performance test i did was with poor quality elastomer which wasnt even platinum cured, nor heat treated, and the box had ben sat in a compressed state for more than 6 months, and it still worked fine. and it's not a fixed compression ratio it's adjustable by way of a gauge.
 
An aging study was undertaken to ensure that suspect o-rings installed in the stockpile will retain sufficient sealing force for a minimum ten-year service life. science.gov... sealing force is elastomer resiliance, A 2-5 year service life would be fine, and O rings have different constraints, open cell structres perform better than them. It is the first study that will be made on the system because it requires many years experience in that particular field.
 
Luke designed battery pack for Zero motorcycles, I guess hes competent enough to quote relevant stuff without waisting time typing and proving someone who apparently is most inteligent of all. Hence the delusion part.
 
Nelson37 said:
Zzoing - Agniusm has put well-engineered, working battery construction kits in many e-bike users hands, I believe 2-3 years ago. He has done it.
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Nelson, what kind of person on Endless Sphere goes onto people's threads and goes haha your project should be called pcs of crap, is that really the spirit of the forum?

12 machined metal parts that weigh over a kilo and which take some time to assemble is fine if you find that convenient... everyone get his gear. I am making an oscilloscope oscillate, a buzzer buzz, and overloading batteries with 125 of their recommended maximum without welds.

but i am not going onto agniums thread to say... Haha you make me laugh your pack is pcs of crap... that is childish behaviour. do you condone that? Ask him how long it takes to dissassemble and the weight and the cost. did you buy one? why not? before he hogs someone's thread with negative comments, perhaps he should make a website for his sales, and tell us the weight, the cost, and how many people have bought his batteries, and make a proper page for them? does he have a website?
 
I'm intrigued, send me complete technical page for an agnium project? a page with all machined parts and weight of one his boxes.

To be fair with AM Tech it has a lot of fantastic technology, but this is the reason why he thinks it is not fair that i have designed very cheap performant battery box: search for "AM TECH LITHIUM" on google... you will see the cause for agnium's concern. It requires lucidity.

https://www.google.fr/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=am%20tech%20batteries&oq=am%20tech%20batteries&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i64.3784j0j7

Speaking of Lithuania, Here is my schoolfriend Paulius from Lithuania... in Oxford we have to use well chosen words. Lithuania always makes me think of this him :): https://youtu.be/yvVnx9K_PUs?t=335
 
I should off not started my rant here. This thread will be out like a candle in the night and be forgotten in couple of weeks.
Main reason I got upset is for using words invention and patent. You invented nothing. Patents are to destroy progress of technical evolution. Further more you have not build a proper model of your design and testing something which is pile of scraps including used cells is just ridiculous. If you cant see that, you are delusional. I just gave you the bitter truth, and if you have a lithuanian friend, you should know that we are strait forward with what we think.
Anyways, I will take a note of your user name and contact you in a years time just to say I told you so.
 
Anyways, I will take a note of your user name and contact you in a years time just to say I told you so.

state your age?

you would be pretty good at steampunk furniture: https://www.google.fr/search?q=steampunk+furniture&num=100&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ9p_U6-TPAhXrLsAKHTm_BHIQ_AUICCgB&biw=829&bih=428

I'll contact you if i need a tank.
 
Also les Conception par Agniusm

The bath tub:
img-thing

the shelf:
steampunk%20furniture%202w.jpg

The armory:
Mati_Karmin_1.jpg

the traffic wand:
il_fullxfull-1.jpeg

the voltmeter by AM Tech:
gear-wall-clocks-steampunk-interior.jpg

pc desk:
modvic-11.jpg
 
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