Another Outlaw SS

[gmaiella]

I am a happy Phantom 2011.5 customer (newest battery/rack/brakes and front fork) and have a couple of general questions. My existing tires are wearing out and before I replace them was wondering if my current rims, rear frame and front fork will fit the new wider 2.5” (versus my 2.1) width tires offered on the Outlaw. I do a lot of off road and curb hopping and would appreciate the more aggressive tire and tread.

Also, a much more involved question, but what options do I have to upgrade my existing 500Watt/ 36V/12Ah components, I love the bike, particularly the folding option, but would like a higher MPH.

 

[Gator]

Afraid I can't help ya here. I just posted up a review of my SS in the e-bike review section to inform others on what I have and how I like it. I'm a noob to ebikes and bikes in general. Maybe post up the quetions in a new thread and you will get some responces.

 

[Blackssr]

It seems Prodeco owners have to prove "Proof of Ownership" around here.

Here you go!

To the OP... Love the SS in white.

 

[Gator]

nice collection........guess I'm heading down that road.....
how did you get the tire to light up like that? Is it just a reflection?

 

[Blackssr]

nice collection........guess I'm heading down that road.....
how did you get the tire to light up like that? Is it just a reflection?

Pilot HD have reflective strip.

 

[Gator]

nice!

 

[Jason27]

Nice car Rob Provost. (Blackssr) way to brag!

 

[bowlofsalad]

I'm not sure why Prodeco sells the Outlaw's that go 20 MPH & 28 MPH for the same price ?

I'm guessing the only difference between the two bikes is an inexpensive rev limiter so they are the same price. One street legal, one offrroad only.

The (most likely) difference between the two is the windings per pole in each motor used. Different amounts of winding will create different top speeds and levels of torque. It might be easier to think of this as saying gear ratio without needing to understand how it actually works.

Check out ebike.ca/simulator and set the simulator motor option to each of the four 'ninecont 280x' options, this is located at the top of the series of options on the chart, and press simulate each time to get an idea as to what I am talking about.

 

[Gator]

great link!
havent't had enough coffee this a.m. and must admit, that sim will take a bit of study....need to find a thread discussing it and read that through!

bottom line though, changing the windings in the hub changes the KV and thus top speed & torque?

got my rechargeable lithium ion batteries for my sure fire bike light last night! Don't choke on your coffee laughing, this how I charge them until the 123A charger comes.......

 

[bowlofsalad]

bottom line though, changing the windings in the hub changes the KV and thus top speed & torque?

KV? Different windings in direct drive hub motors do not change the input power at all, only how it uses the power. If you have your bike and changed nothing but the number of windings per pole, you'd change your top speed and torque for that motor in one way or another.

Another way to help illustrate this is, think about shifting gears while riding a bicycle, did that action change you (the source of power, battery) in any physical or real way?

got my rechargeable lithium ion batteries for my sure fire bike light last night! Don't choke on your coffee laughing, this how I charge them until the 123A charger comes.......

If its safe and it works, you probably won't hear anyone laughing. Do you think your charging setup might be funny because of having one charger that is different than the other two? Personally, I couldn't care less if you had three chargers each made by a different company. I honestly think it's great you have multiple chargers, if nothing else. Redundancy might spell reliability if nothing else.

 

[Gator]

bottom line though, changing the windings in the hub changes the KV and thus top speed & torque?

KV? Different windings in direct drive hub motors do not change the input power at all, only how it uses the power. If you have your bike and changed nothing but the number of windings per pole, you'd change your top speed and torque for that motor in one way or another.

Another way to help illustrate this is, think about shifting gears while riding a bicycle, did that action change you (the source of power, battery) in any physical or real way?

got my rechargeable lithium ion batteries for my sure fire bike light last night! Don't choke on your coffee laughing, this how I charge them until the 123A charger comes.......

If its safe and it works, you probably won't hear anyone laughing. Do you think your charging setup might be funny because of having one charger that is different than the other two? Personally, I couldn't care less if you had three chargers each made by a different company. I honestly think it's great you have multiple chargers, if nothing else. Redundancy might spell reliability if nothing else.

KV is the terminology on my rc airplane motors refering to 1000 (K) rpm per volt (V)
changing the KV of the outrunner changes it's top speed or changing the battery cell count (a bit oversimplified)

the funny part in the pic is the wires clamped to the battery for charging!

I have many chargers and power supplies mostly cause I always go bigger when I need more and redundancy is great cause if one fails I'm not dead, can limp along...

 

[dzzy]

Right on, an Outlaw SS owner! Would you help a couple of us here out? Do you have the owners manual for the outlaw ss? a few of us are trying to find the part number for the hub motor the outlaw uses (the prodeco website does not have the manual available online) I would like to buy one before prodeco lowers all the Outlaw models down to 20mph! This way if something unexpected happens I will be ok for a few years! I know prodeco offers the motors by themselves from other bike models for about 200 dollars. I want the part number to make sure they do no sell me the new motor the outlaw is going to have soon. The one with the 20mph limiter built in the motor itself Could you post it here for a few members including myself?

 

[Jason27]

Prodeco uses a 500 watt a 9c motor. Amped bikes carrys them.

 

[KjdNyc]

For an extra $1000 you should have got the Stromer Elite like I did after reading the abysmal reviews for the prodeco SS a s well as other models. I was a newbie on my first ebike which was an Rmartin R10 and it was awsome for 3 1/2 years till battery died along with wiring issues, but now after removing motor battery and wires is an awsome mountain bike. Prodeco is cheaply made Chinese junk and overpriced for the terrible design and quality. Stromer is the Mercedes-Benz of bikes, prodeco is the Hyundai at best.

 

[ocrob]

I test drove the Stromer at the Las Vegas Bike show. As well as list of other bikes. I found it to be best of the show. But it is expensive. The new ST2 they are coming out with works with your iphone. I have not yet seen it for sale yet I think it comes out in the next bike year so we have about 3 months for it to come out.

 

[GRelectricBikes]

FYI, The Outlaw SS is american made as well as all Prodeco bikes. Ft Lauderdale FL to be exact. Prodeco has the largest ebike factory in North America. They just posted a nice new video of the factory on their website.
ProdecoTech's owners once owned Eco Easy Rider on the same street where their current HQ is in which they imported the chinese made Mariner 2. (We just unpacked 5 of those from a liquidator in December and put new batteries in them, they lasted beautifully for 4 years in the boxes after E.E.R. closed down. Our Prodeco sales rep was shocked to see we had so many brand new ones)
Anyway, just my own opinion; we sell Stealth ebikes and Prodecos. Both are made in america. The Outlaw SS is the closest thing to having a Stealth Bomber as you can get in a production bike and costs 1/5 the price. We have quite a few A2B, Currie, and Pedego owners who leave those Chinese- made bikes behind for the Phantom X2 & X3 and the Outlaw SS. We aren't opposed to certain chinese made bikes, but just for the record Prodeco uses American companies and parts suppliers and minus some small parts and maybe the Lithiums they are heading for 100% US parts on their bikes and a few of them already are at 100%.

That being said; we just had a customer come is who is looking to completely mod the SS for 40mph or more. So if anyone has had the joy of completing a similar project on the SS, please post some pics and details.
Thanks

 

[rider95]

Well I have the outlaw forks on my bike that runs a 52v 12.5 ah @ 33 amps and have quiet a bit of trail use on them and they really work pretty good I know the forks are a low end made by zoom ,I wanted a double crown fork and I wanted the 20mm axle so my front wheel doesn't shoot off to one side when hitting tree roots .

 

[MeanGene36542]

Anyone interested in the Prodeco manuals, specs including part #'s can find them here: http://www.prodecotech.com/prodecotech-owners-manuals/

 

[rider95]

The forks are great don't listen to nontrail riders keep them !!!!

 

[rider95]

If you are near Cristal river FL there is a new Pedico dealer called sparkys Elc Bike and they rent outlaws sell, and service .

 

[BVH]

While not an Outlaw, my Prodeco Oasis has the Outlaw 28 MPH version motor. On my 3rd ride after receiving the bike, I carried the 13 lb 2nd battery in my backpack on a 35 mile ride (and didn't use it) and aggravated my budging disks and had to stay off the bike for 3 weeks. I vowed never again to carry the battery in my pack. So I used the downtime to mod a stock Prodeco rear rack to the triangle to carry the 2nd battery. So now when I discharge the first battery to 80% DOD, I just stop and swap the batteries to the other racks and am good to go.

 

[spinningmagnets]

Clever mount. If you made simple side panels to hide it...would look pretty professional.

 

[MeanGene36542]

...and / or wire them up together and no stopping to swap? I'd love the extra range, though many here would love to combine in series for 96v speed I'm sure

 

[BVH]

Clever mount. If you made simple side panels to hide it...would look pretty professional.

That was going to be tomorrows project but you shamed me into doing it now

I should add that I used both water bottle braze-ons to bolt tapered tubing struts to the rack slide. With the back downtube clamp and these two struts, this rack is absolutely solid.

I'm initially toying with the idea of upgrading the motor and controller to get about 2000 Watts. If I do that, I'll do the wiring so as not to have to swap them. One thing I am unsure of though is can two identical batts be paralleled if they are both behind BMS's? Will the BMS's conflict with each other? If so, then I would probably parallel them.

 

[BVH]

Wiring is done. Both batteries can be run independently or paralleled via their keyswitches.