I read that Top Gear did a show on the Nissan Leaf where they intentionally ran it out of charge so that they would be stranded in a busy street. Looks like a common theme with them since they also ran a Tesla down too. Are they funded by the fossil fuel industry?
Another Top Gear Fake?
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TylerDurden
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Hillhater
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Puppyjump said:
Possibly, but for sure they are committed life long .."petrol heads" .. so they will have a struggle to accept any alternative power systems.
jonescg
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How come they didn't intentionally run a Ferrari down to the last litre of petrol, and then have it conk out in the middle of a street? Same thing really?
AussieJester
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jonescg said:
Well...when the needle on the fuel guage starts to get low they can pull into one of thousands of petrol stations to
fill up..
Obviously the shows staged but who can argue they didn't outline the major inefficiency of the
electric car in this day and age? i.e limited charging options on the road combined with long charge times
topped off by limited range. Electric cars simply aren't an option for those that travel
further than you can throw a stone.
ToP GeaR FTW looking forward to next season :wink:
KiM
Hillhater
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AussieJester said:
Already started on the other coast kim. :wink:
AussieJester
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Hillhater said:
uhm...i dont think so i watched the above episode two weeks ago it was the last for this current season IIRC, i J.C signed off saying it was the last ep for the season. I donwload it every Monday morning via bittorrent when it is airing, IIRC the last episode for season 17 is episode 6 What airs on commercial TV is weeks old Hillhunter, get with the times
KiM
jonescg
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AussieJester said:Well...when the needle on the fuel guage starts to get low they can pull into one of thousands of petrol stations to
fill up..
Obviously the shows staged but who can argue they didn't outline the major inefficiency of the
electric car in this day and age? i.e limited charging options on the road combined with long charge times
topped off by limited range. Electric cars simply aren't an option for those that travel
further than you can throw a stone.
ToP GeaR FTW looking forward to next season :wink:
KiM
In my opinion it's like expecting a VW beetle to be able to carry a surfboard, two mountain bikes and a family of four to Albany and being disappointed when it fails to deliver. They knew from the start that if you ask it to do something it wasn't intended for, you will have a flat car. As for range, you can get an affordable electric car to move you at highway speeds for about 120 km. That is plenty enough for the daily punter. Unfortunately this only services just a measly 95% of the population
. Fast charging is possible, if you really need it, but the majority of folks will charge up at night when the rates are cheap. I don't mind top gear, but they are twats plain and simple. I guess that's why the show is popular...I don't have a need for a car; I get by with a pushbike just fine... I guess I'm just one of those 95%
dequinox
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AussieJester said:jonescg said:
Well...when the needle on the fuel guage starts to get low they can pull into one of thousands of petrol stations to
fill up..
Obviously the shows staged but who can argue they didn't outline the major inefficiency of the
electric car in this day and age? i.e limited charging options on the road combined with long charge times
topped off by limited range. Electric cars simply aren't an option for those that travel
further than you can throw a stone.
ToP GeaR FTW looking forward to next season :wink:
KiM
Amen. And anyone watching Top Gear purely for informational purposes is a complete moron... Those guys "cock about" on a regular basis and intentionally show that they are narrow minded. As for them being biased against any alternative power system see Series 12 Episode 7 for a look at the Honda FCX Clarity. Yes they knock the Tesla, probably unfairly, but what do you expect from a group of serious petrol-heads? That's where the resistance is greatest to the electric revolution. I was actually surprised they featured the tesla at all... And they actually gave positive remarks on the H fuel cell powered Clarity.
+1 for watching series 17...then 18 when I get netflix access...
AussieJester
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jonescg said:AussieJester said:Well...when the needle on the fuel guage starts to get low they can pull into one of thousands of petrol stations to
fill up..
Obviously the shows staged but who can argue they didn't outline the major inefficiency of the
electric car in this day and age? i.e limited charging options on the road combined with long charge times
topped off by limited range. Electric cars simply aren't an option for those that travel
further than you can throw a stone.
ToP GeaR FTW looking forward to next season :wink:
KiM
In my opinion it's like expecting a VW beetle to be able to carry a surfboard, two mountain bikes and a family of four to Albany and being disappointed when it fails to deliver. They knew from the start that if you ask it to do something it wasn't intended for, you will have a flat car. As for range, you can get an affordable electric car to move you at highway speeds for about 120 km. That is plenty enough for the daily punter. Unfortunately this only services just a measly 95% of the population
I don't have a need for a car; I get by with a pushbike just fine... I guess I'm just one of those 95%
Rofl.."affordable" electric that can do highway speeds for 120km..i believe your idea of affordable and mine, along with 95% of the country differ greatly, Chris. Electric cars and electric motorcycles are overpriced and "under-ranged"
Pure
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Eh, I don't put much value in their opinion of electric transportation. All I know is it is one heck of an entertaining show. I like both the EU series and the US series. Admittedly I'm behind on the EU series. I haven't had much time to watch them as of the past few months.
Kim, no need to do the download bit torrent thing, and dequinox, screw netflix. Live streaming video, no viruses. New episodes are usually updated within a few hours after airing.
http://watchseries.eu/serie/top_gear
Kim, no need to do the download bit torrent thing, and dequinox, screw netflix. Live streaming video, no viruses. New episodes are usually updated within a few hours after airing.
http://watchseries.eu/serie/top_gear
jonescg
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AussieJester said:
Buddy, we live in a city where people spend $80,000 on a car to drop the kids off at school. We have guys with year 10 educations driving trucks and earning >$150,000 pa. We have the most affluent lifestyles of anyone in the entire country, and 90% of the world, and we still have the hide to complain about taxes.
It's shocking to us, but to most of Perth, a $32,000 car is considered cheap.
AussieJester
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jonescg said:
Buddy, In the circles of people you associate with maybe (other Doctors i presume? real hard up bunch cash wise i'm sure
) now, what about the lower and middle class income earners hrmz? I can go buy a new ICE car for ~15k Chris, it will get 40+mpg and travel a frock load further and faster than your "affordable" electric car it also wont need another set of batteries in 5-10 years time that will cost half the price of the car again re: 120km range might be enough range for those in or close to the CBD Chris, as a second car they would be good for high income earners for running the kids to school etc, wouldnt get me to Joondalup and home on the same day and forget about a day trip to Mandurah hell Rockingham would prolly be pushing the range limits seeing most of the trip will be on freeway. When they are available for same price as comparable size ICE alternatives with affordable batteries & can do 300km+ on a charge at highway speeds i may start to get interested in electric cars (for road use) Chris until then i see them as a novelty, as i do electric road going motorcyles which are even more useless than electric cars at present, up for a Sunday ride on your electric bike Chris? be a ~300km round trip oh.....nevermind
obviously i won't convince you otherwise, your a lover of electrics an opion you're as entitled to as i am in saying i think they suck balls, give me ICE over electric any day for transportation, if you wanna talk electrics for track well thats a whole different ball game i think in certain levels of racing electric motorcycles can be very competitive with ICE right no, long as its not a 30 lap main.. KiM
jonescg
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Petrol is super convenient, no doubt about it. But the fact that the majority of people are travelling well under 100 km per day in this city, says to me that they could substitute their ICE car for an electric and get by as per normal. We can argue about what is cheap and what is expensive, but really it's a bit of a moot point. Past $25,000 prestige and street cred sells cars over practicality. I honestly don't know why the iMiev was selling for $60,000 when an equivalent conversion would cost about $17,000 including the 10 year old chassis.
If we planned out city better, you wouldn't need to drive your car from Armadale to Joondalup, but hey, we're doing our bit for the economy
Anyway, as to the original post, Clarkson can't stand motorbikes, so he'll go out of his way to make them look like shit too. As mentioned, it's the absurdity that make their show watchable and funny.
If we planned out city better, you wouldn't need to drive your car from Armadale to Joondalup, but hey, we're doing our bit for the economy
Anyway, as to the original post, Clarkson can't stand motorbikes, so he'll go out of his way to make them look like shit too. As mentioned, it's the absurdity that make their show watchable and funny.
Hillhater
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Most Aussies could have their current car converted to LPG ( retain petrol as backup) for a few $k , keeping performance and range , reducing pollution, and save money instantly. BUT..
..we chose not to for some reason ? ( me included !) :?
There is a huge inertia to overcome before most folk will make the move to alternative fuel, even when the technical /logistical problems are resolved..
..we chose not to for some reason ? ( me included !)
:? There is a huge inertia to overcome before most folk will make the move to alternative fuel, even when the technical /logistical problems are resolved..
AussieJester
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jonescg said:
That we can definitely agree on Chris, it is a funny arse show if you take it as a comedy not a factual motoring show, which i think is what most that like it take it as, the ones that don't obviously still think its a dinky die
motoring show haha..
@Hillhater...agreed, my last car Ford EB was dual fuel LPG/Petrol setup, never used petrol in it at the time LPG was 45 cents a liter less than 10 years ago :-|
KiM
jonescg
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Oh and for what it's worth, I don't think I'm on the record stating that electric vehicles are better then ICEers. I will say that they are an alternative technology that would suit a lot of people, but it is a bit more expensive. And they are pretty darn cool CroDriver has a >1000 hp, 300 km/h, 92 kWh (equivalent to 8 litres of petrol) car on the way. Better than a GT? Dunno, but I;d love to take that for a spin, after a full charge of course
Besides, the only way they will get better is if we research and develop the frocking things, rather than shitcan one or the other for it's various failings.
CroDriver has a >1000 hp, 300 km/h, 92 kWh (equivalent to 8 litres of petrol) car on the way. Better than a GT? Dunno, but I;d love to take that for a spin, after a full charge of course Besides, the only way they will get better is if we research and develop the frocking things, rather than shitcan one or the other for it's various failings.
REdiculous
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Not really. It's equivalent to 2.7 gallons. A gallon of regular gasoline gives about 115,000BTU (which is equal to 33.7kwh).
If you convert gas into electricity at about 35% then you'll burn 8 gallons.
jonescg
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Gallons? How many cubits to the bushel is that?
REdiculous
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woops, for some reason I read gallon instead of liter. Still, you're a little off..92kwh is equivalent to 10.22 liters.
REdiculous said:
Is 35 per cent the number you believe petrol cars' efficiency to be?
If so, that is too high a number. Most cars are 20 per cent efficient. Diesels are typically 30 per cent. You're stacking efficiency to suit your argument.
REdiculous
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I thought he was including gas->electricity conversion efficiency because I thought he was working with gallons...neither was a correct assumption on my part. He was working in liters. I should've read more carefully, but I didn't.
I figured it would take roughly 35% efficiency if you were converting gas to electricity to make "92kwh is equivalent to 8 gallons" a sort-of-truth. In the real world though, 92kwh is equivalent to 2.7 gallons (/10.22 liters).
Whether or not a car or utility company can convert gas to electricity at 35% was not considered because it makes no difference to my argument/point.
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