QuestionMan
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It was supposed to be at interbike. Interbike has passed and I have heard nothing about this bike. Searching has also come up with nothing new.
Any updates on the HPC revolution?
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RoadWrinkle
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"HPC" as in "High Power Cycles" the guy that overstates everything about his bikes and over prices them on ebay? That HPC? The company that over-volts off-the-shelf Chinese motors and claims they were specially designed and made exclusively for HPC? Or is this another "HPC"? 
miro13car
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What is revolutionary about HPC -HIGH POWER CYCLES.
Just standard China brand motors overvolted
Only one question
what kind of warranty do HPC offers for their electric motocycles,like 5 years?
No HPC offers only 1 year warranty, not even 2 years - it says all about quality of their motors.
Just standard China brand motors overvolted
Only one question
what kind of warranty do HPC offers for their electric motocycles,like 5 years?
No HPC offers only 1 year warranty, not even 2 years - it says all about quality of their motors.
QuestionMan
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That is why they named it HPC revolution. HPC is having a revolution and bringing great bikes into the market. The bike that made this revolutionary change is called the HPC revolution.
Built specifically as a purpose built ebike, with possible mid-drive capabilities.
The Revolution will be the lightest weight, fastest, most powerful, and most nimble purpose built Electric Downhill Bike ever made. It is proudly hand built right here in Los Angeles, CA.
No cheap china junk here.
Built specifically as a purpose built ebike, with possible mid-drive capabilities.
The Revolution will be the lightest weight, fastest, most powerful, and most nimble purpose built Electric Downhill Bike ever made. It is proudly hand built right here in Los Angeles, CA.
No cheap china junk here.
RoadWrinkle
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So what is the "revolution"?... 
that HPC is trying to change it's business/marketing tactics? Don't you mean "assembled" in Los Angeles? When a 48 volt battery shows a peak charge of 57v hot of the charger, that does not mean it is a 57volt battery. 
that HPC is trying to change it's business/marketing tactics? Don't you mean "assembled" in Los Angeles? When a 48 volt battery shows a peak charge of 57v hot of the charger, that does not mean it is a 57volt battery. 
dogman dan
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Cut all claims by most vendors in half. That's not just for bikes either. The new EPA mileage stickers on cars are a joke.
Much of what HPC builds does kick ass, but if it was possible to carry enough battery to run a huge power level for long, more stuff would melt down. Once cruising, then the motors will not draw enough power to be a problem.
Much of what HPC builds does kick ass, but if it was possible to carry enough battery to run a huge power level for long, more stuff would melt down. Once cruising, then the motors will not draw enough power to be a problem.
mattrb
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I strongly believe this is a 90v -13ah li nmc. Might be 72v, probably not. Also the motor will probably be a slotted crystalite hs4060.
QuestionMan
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HPC made their initial post about the HPC Revolution.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=53943
To the guys who have issues with HPC, you have to understand they are in business to make profit and have overhead. Yes you pay a little more but in the end they are working on bringing new innovation into the ebike market. They are one of the few companies who make high powered complete bikes in the World, and really the only company that makes complete bikes in the USA.
If you try and buy everything yourself and buy cheap crap from china where their is hardly any innovation then nothing will get better. It is like this with most businesses. Some economists say that monopolies, which most think are bad because of the increased prices you pay, but this is where most of the innovation and research and development comes from. When there is little profit to be made that usually means little innovation also.
Look at stealth bikes, many will argue that it is overpriced, but their pricing has allowed them to make nice purpose built ebikes which are copied by many now. Profit = innovation and research and development.
Just think about it and hope you understand what I am trying to get at here.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=53943
To the guys who have issues with HPC, you have to understand they are in business to make profit and have overhead. Yes you pay a little more but in the end they are working on bringing new innovation into the ebike market. They are one of the few companies who make high powered complete bikes in the World, and really the only company that makes complete bikes in the USA.
If you try and buy everything yourself and buy cheap crap from china where their is hardly any innovation then nothing will get better. It is like this with most businesses. Some economists say that monopolies, which most think are bad because of the increased prices you pay, but this is where most of the innovation and research and development comes from. When there is little profit to be made that usually means little innovation also.
Look at stealth bikes, many will argue that it is overpriced, but their pricing has allowed them to make nice purpose built ebikes which are copied by many now. Profit = innovation and research and development.
Just think about it and hope you understand what I am trying to get at here.
spinningmagnets
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They were at interbike 2013, here is the link:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=53425#p801668
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=53425#p801668
parajared
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Aww man, they removed their unintentionally hilarious solar panel video off the website. It was a video of a guy riding a HPC bike through the woods. He runs out of power and bikes over to a picnic bench where he unfolds a tiny little solar panel (100w maybe). He kicks back presumably eats his lunch or something then just like that he is back to blasting down the trails on his fully charged HPC bike.
HPC’s website is equally as hilarious; it reminds me of reading the tabloids. Two headed space clone runs his 15.9lb hub motor at 4500 watts; summits Pikes Peak! “piece of cake” he proclaims. Man rides 44 miles on his 12ah pack “this beeatch gets 16 wh/mi at 20mph” he declares.
HPC’s website is equally as hilarious; it reminds me of reading the tabloids. Two headed space clone runs his 15.9lb hub motor at 4500 watts; summits Pikes Peak! “piece of cake” he proclaims. Man rides 44 miles on his 12ah pack “this beeatch gets 16 wh/mi at 20mph” he declares.
I wish i would have seen the solar panel vid.
Makes sense if your lunch is approximately about 8-30 hours long.
Couldn't get HPC to come out to pike's peak to prove that their magic 5000W continuous Crystalyte H35 motors were the real deal last year, shame... :lol:
Makes sense if your lunch is approximately about 8-30 hours long.
Couldn't get HPC to come out to pike's peak to prove that their magic 5000W continuous Crystalyte H35 motors were the real deal last year, shame... :lol:
sn0wchyld
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is this it?
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nechaus
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Oh yeah, i remember their solar panel deal. Funny business
sn0wchyld
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QuestionMan said:
my issue with hpc has little to nothing to do with the price... though some of the individual components they sell do seem overpriced.
Its far more about the claims or what they imply in regards to performance and reliability of their products. Things like running a BMC geared motor at 4kw and claiming any kind of reliability at that power level... or a solar panel that would provide a useful amount of charge during a lunch break.
RoadWrinkle
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Well... based on the way they have hyped their off-the-shelf components, I am waiting to see what marketing lollapalooza's will issue forth regarding their cool looking new purpose built "revolution". It does in fact look like a clear departure from their previous builds in terms of the frame and battery.
They (or I should say, "Chris") needs to realize that the market for high end ebikes is composed of some very knowledgeable potential buyers.
They (or I should say, "Chris") needs to realize that the market for high end ebikes is composed of some very knowledgeable potential buyers.
zombiess
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This may sound a little strange coming from me as a dealer of high end ebike components, but I give Hi Power Cycles some credit. While their claims of power/speed are high ( most people only do short bursts to high speed), it's just marketing hype as any company does. They are offering a ready to ride lower cost alternative to what most of the general public can purchase in a typical store. The >$6000 ebike market is very niche. Endless-Sphere is almost exclusively a DIY community, but for those who just want something ready to go they are an alternative and built with motors/controllers that appear to be the same as many of us on here use. Most of the cheap mass marketed bikes aren't going to use those level of components. What you are paying for is the labor and knowledge and many DIY people forget to include that in the price of their own bikes. Time = Money.
Just playing devils advocate and I feel I'm a very good candidate to do so since I have vested interests elsewhere... infact I'll prove that right now. HPC, if you read this and are interested in using the Cromotor on your bikes, contact me
Jeremy
Just playing devils advocate and I feel I'm a very good candidate to do so since I have vested interests elsewhere... infact I'll prove that right now. HPC, if you read this and are interested in using the Cromotor on your bikes, contact me
Jeremy
facepalm...
Well at least they would be putting real motors on their bikes if they used cromotors.. not H35xx/H40xx motors where the advertised power rating is actually more like what you get out when you saturate one of those smaller motors and turn the poor thing into a space heater.
Well at least they would be putting real motors on their bikes if they used cromotors.. not H35xx/H40xx motors where the advertised power rating is actually more like what you get out when you saturate one of those smaller motors and turn the poor thing into a space heater.
sacko
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Why is the crankset/BB so high on the Revolution?
friendly1uk
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sacko said:
I thought the same. With the correct distance between crank and seat, you would never get your foot to the ground. Most mtb's have greater ground clearance than racing bikes, which is why most mtb riders set there seat too low. While we all know there are proper mounting techniques, this is still going to be like riding a clowns bike. Over all though, you are sitting higher than the battery weight. That is a good idea. It would be better to lower the batteries than raise the rider though. I see no real world need for that kind of ground clearance.
I like the bike apart from this. It is a long way from the diy looking bike in the solar video. A video I actually had little problem with. OK, taking up a table is unacceptable, and an hours worth of top up a bit pointless. They were not trying to say it was a full charge though. They should re-angle there approach towards charging in remote locations while taking part in other time consuming activities. Perhaps trying to blow up an inflatable boat then collapsing for a few hours.
dogman dan
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Maybe they tune the suspension so the crank is lower once the rider hops on, and or the bike in the pic does not have the battery loaded.
But it does look a bit tall to me. Higher than normal for even DH frames. You don't sit on the seat and touch the ground on real off road bikes. Personally, I'd likely be riding it standing the pedals, and would want my body CG a few inches lower.
Nobody seriously thinks they'd pedal this bike, right? Why would you even try to?
Since I made the first comment on this thread, I looked closer at the bike, and do like it better than previous HPC stuff, like a gearmotor with 4000w controller hooked up to it. Again, most riders would never see terrain that would make a real world 4000w load on that motor for more than a few seconds. So in reality, the motors could last since they will get into an efficient 1000-2000w zone pretty quick.
I digress, Like the hype and the price or not, I agree with Zombies, this doesn't look bad to me at all. It could be lighter than a stealth bomber, but I'd hardly call it a "revolutionary" ebike.
But it does look a bit tall to me. Higher than normal for even DH frames. You don't sit on the seat and touch the ground on real off road bikes. Personally, I'd likely be riding it standing the pedals, and would want my body CG a few inches lower.
Nobody seriously thinks they'd pedal this bike, right? Why would you even try to?
Since I made the first comment on this thread, I looked closer at the bike, and do like it better than previous HPC stuff, like a gearmotor with 4000w controller hooked up to it. Again, most riders would never see terrain that would make a real world 4000w load on that motor for more than a few seconds. So in reality, the motors could last since they will get into an efficient 1000-2000w zone pretty quick.
I digress, Like the hype and the price or not, I agree with Zombies, this doesn't look bad to me at all. It could be lighter than a stealth bomber, but I'd hardly call it a "revolutionary" ebike.
sacko
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Don't get me wrong, if I could swap the pedals for pegs; I would
..but I also don't want to be licking my knees when i'm riding it.
..but I also don't want to be licking my knees when i'm riding it.
zombiess
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I always enjoy hitting my elbows on my knees when I pedal my fast clown bike built from a kids bicycle. The videos of me riding it before it had the long swing arm are comical.
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