Anzio ebike mountain bike

[Chris85083]

Short time reader, first time poster.

I live in Phoenix, AZ, USA and have a 12.5 mile flat commute each way. Some small hills, but nothing significant.

Does anybody have experience or insight into the Anzio ebike? I'd be looking at the mountain bike version. Site and stats below.

http://www.anzioebike.com/anzio-m16.html

Motor 36V 350W Bafang Rear Brushless Hub Motor
Battery 36V / 12Ah Lithium-Ion Battery
Speed 19 mph
Range 20 miles (electric only) / 42 miles (Pedal Assist Mode)
Pedal Assist System 1:1 intelligent pedal assist system
Throttle Yes
Controller Intelligent Brushless 36V15A
Charger AC 100-240V 2amp smart charger (6 hour charge time)
Frame 6061 Aluminum Alloy
Tires 26” x 2.35 mountain tires
Rim Aluminum double wall
Brakes Disc Brakes
Derailleur 7-speed Shimano
Display LCD display
Pedal Aluminum Alloy MTB style with reflectors
Weight Limit 210 lbs
Package Size 153 x 25 x 71cm
Color Options Matte Black, Matte Red, Matte Gray, Matte White

If you don't have specific knowledge of the bike, feel free to contribute any wild and unsubstantiated opinions you have on it. I'm not picky.

Christopher

 

[amberwolf]

I live in Phoenix, AZ, USA and have a 12.5 mile flat commute each way. Some small hills, but nothing significant.

What area is your commute in?

Battery 36V / 12Ah Lithium-Ion Battery
Speed 19 mph
Range 20 miles (electric only) / 42 miles (Pedal Assist Mode)

I don't think you'll really get 20 miles at that 19MPH without any pedalling, as they claim, even on totally flat road with no stops. Might get 15 or more, depending on the hills and how many stops/starts you have to make.

Most likely there's only about 10Ah usable out of the pack; the BMS probably cuts out around there to prevent potential damage to cells, and/or the BMS prevents charging to the max potential charge of the cells, depending on how they designed it.

It's also probably not going to have a quick acceleration.

If you don't have specific knowledge of the bike, feel free to contribute any wild and unsubstantiated opinions you have on it. I'm not picky.

We're pretty good at wild and unsubstantiated opinions here on ES. Fortunately we are also pretty good at substantiating some of them.

Sorry I don't have any specific knowledge of that particular bike, but generically similar specs are common for low power ebikes, and I've built a couple versions of DayGlo Avenger and The Velcro Eclipse that were essentially like that bike, performance-wise.


As a general rule, without pedalling, you can figure on 1Ah/mile at 36V, at between 15-20MPH, to get an idea of range on the flat with no winds for a typical bike. (depends on a number of factors including your tire type and how aired up they are, and what surface you ride on, etc).




With 350W, assuming that's a sustained constant capability, you might get peaks of 500W+ during startup from a stop. That's not a lot, but it'll help you startup pretty quick if you pedal with it in the right gears. If you rely on only the motor like I have to, it's gonna take a while to get up to speed.



I'd guess that if it meets the published specs, it'll do your commute just fine at that 19MPH even without pedalling, but you'll have to charge it up at the destination to get back home. If you pedal seriously with it, you might not have to recharge, depending on terrain, weather, and stops.



Also, a heads up if it matters to you: AZ law keeps us at "under 20MPH" to stay classed as a bicycle. Some areas (like Tucson) are pretty persnickety about that, though moreso with the gas-powered (ICE) bikes. I haven't seen it happen much around Phoenix, but that doesn't mean it can't or won't.

 

[Chris85083]

Thanks - that was very helpful.

I live on Happy Valley, and commute to Peoria Ave. Mostly down 19th Ave, and a couple miles of bike path.

The 20 mph limit is a little tough to swallow, because I regularly exceed that with my bike now. I top out around 27 mph on flat ground, but generally cruise at 18 or so.

Again - thanks so much for the information.

We'll see if my love for cool gear will triumph over common sense. It usually does.

 

[ambroseliao]

That bike was one that was widely available from China a couple of years ago. Not so much now.
http://www.meinbezirk.at/wien-23-liesing/chronik/aus-mit-abstrampeln-jetzt-e-bike-gewinnen-d1111696.html

The 19mph speed is the legal limit for a road bike. If you want to go faster, you'll need to change (at a minimum) the controller and probably a higher voltage battery. It's unclear whether it's a front wheel or rear wheel drive system. There are pictures of both.

The main problem with this type of bike is the custom battery housing. The frame has an integrated battery housing which limits what you can do if you want to keep the clean lines of the bike. The bike also has a longer wheelbase to fit the battery which means it will be more stable but slower turning. At that price ($1,899), you could easily get a higher powered/faster system that you could attach to your current bike and customize to your hearts content. You're not locked to one proprietary bike design.

 

[amberwolf]

I live on Happy Valley, and commute to Peoria Ave. Mostly down 19th Ave, and a couple miles of bike path.

For the 19th Ave part, I feel for you. That's a pretty sucky street to ride on. At least you don't have to go south of Peoria, cuz it's even worse with the light-rail construction. :/

The 20 mph limit is a little tough to swallow, because I regularly exceed that with my bike now. I top out around 27 mph on flat ground, but generally cruise at 18 or so.

Well, it's up to you what you do about it, but what they've typically done with the gassers I have read about has been tickets for "the big three": no license, registration, or insurance, because I guess the way they see it if you're going faster than the law allows a bicycle to go, you're not a bicycle anymore, and the next classes up require a motorcycle license, vehicle registration, and insurance...and since you can't register a bicycle with the DMV or get motor vehicle insurance for one anywhere I know of, they issue those automatically. Ifyou actually do have a motorcycle license then you're ok on that one, but the other two tickets aren't cheap, if your lawyer (or you) can't beat them.

And I dunno what happens to the vehicle--they may impound it and it could end up cheaper to leave it and go buy a new one.

So, I stick to the <20MPH limit, though CrazyBike2 is capable of more (dunno how much more, nowhere safe to test it), because there *are* times with traffic changes that it's important to have the ability to GTFOOTW cuz braking isn't always the right answer (or even possible).

We'll see if my love for cool gear will triumph over common sense. It usually does.

Nothing wrong with that. :lol:



And has been pointed out, if you don't want to be speed-limited, converting a standard bike is probably easier / cheaper than fixing the speed limit and any other issues on the Anzio.

However: If you really like the bike you pedal around on now, I recommend leaving it alone, and converting a different bike, cuz one that rides well as a pedal bike doesn't always work as well when electric, and/or compromises needed change it's handling/performance/etc.

 

[ambroseliao]

Look what I happened up on on eBay!

http://m.ebay.com/itm/261731414003

 

[erik_m]

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[ambroseliao]

The white one is even less!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ebike-Bicycle-electric-bicycle-scooter-electric-unicycle-conversion-kit-Electric/261729400400?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dea55bf8b3ffa41ea9e68c122d5fc9671%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D261731414003&rt=nc

 

[ambroseliao]

I swear I'm not looking for this bike but it keeps popping up! This time on eBay for a ton of $$$. It's called a "Jetson" here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Electric-Mountain-Bike-/161567628289

 

[erigoasparago]

I have this bike and LOVE IT

I ride it 11 miles to work (20th and Baseline, to ASU) and arrive with plenty of juice. I expect it would go about 15-20 miles on a charge.

It is perfect in my opinion. It has 4 levels of power assist, which kick in at the appropriate levels. You easily do 25mph in top power assist. In level 0 of power assist it is a regular bike, but a heavy one; but then you use the throttle and can run it without pedaling at all. Which is nice for eating up boring stretches of Prince Road etc.

It came very well packages, and already nicely assembled with small things to put on (pedals and handlebars). The choice of components is just right -- shifters are great.

The only things where they seem to have cut corners is (a) the front chain ring is a bit non-fancy (but who cares it is just the front chain ring and you don't shift it, it is a single-speed in front, 7-speed in read) and (b) the front headlamp included, you probably want to solder or crimp on the electric plugs. These are nitpicks.

Bottom line - tires are great, wheels are great, brakes (disk) are great and quiet, motor is AWESOME, gearing is AWESOME, speed is AWESOME, looks are AWESOME, battery is (so far) AWESOME, and the price is SUPER AWESOME.

I was ready to be a bit disappointed because it was so inexpensive, but am not in the least. I think it is probably comparable to bikes costing twice as much. The mid-drive motor is just the bomb. Get ready to go 25mph routinely on your commute.

Erigo

 

[ambroseliao]

Forgive me for being skeptical but first time posters who post to this board who give a bike raves are always suspect especially when they give the bike a "perfect" rating.

 

[amberwolf]

Well, the IP is from California, but is a celphone internet service, so that could stick the IP quite a ways from where the poster's location is specified to be.

The location/distance reported is about right, so my guess is at the least it's somebody that does live here, and it is possible it's a real post by a real rider of this kind of bike.

 

[erigoasparago]

I got it a week ago. I think they picked every component correctly to put together a cost-leading bike.
Also it arrived in 2 days, which was pretty cool...

 

[erigoasparago]

... but yeah I'm in CA right now! good there are some skeptics out there

The bike is great for Phoenix, but I think if you want something to cross the valley with longer than ~10 miles you might want something that is more commuter bike style and not mountain bike style. This is certainly mountain bike style, reasonably fat knobby tires, and while you can put on a rear rack and skinny the tires I'm not sure you'd want to. Also, for a lark I rode it up to the west entrance to the Geronimo trail behind the scout camp and it handled the dirt trail like a champ, until it got steep. I expect it would be OK as a mountain bike but I don't believe in motorizing the hiking trails.

Generally an impressive/versatile approach to power assist. I used to dislike power assist but now see how it works pretty great for a commute. It helps that it's quiet.

I think my other e-bike will be something more cruiser/commuter. I have a long wheel base Cycle Genius that I want to convert into a roadster, in case there are recommendations on bike shops in Phoenix who can do that conversion for a realistic price.

 

[ambroseliao]

If you don't mind, how much did you pay for your bike and what color did you choose? Do you have photos of it?

 

[ambroseliao]

Your lack of response again makes me think you are not a real customer but a plant for the company.

 

[Voltron]

We had a couple of these at my shop under a different brand name.. the biggest problem is the crazy high bottom bracket... it's a little more then 14 inches! If you have anything besides very short legs, by the time you raise the seat you feel way up in the air, and reaching a foot to the ground was tough. Then your hands end up feeling low unless you swap stems. It was like they got busy making the cool looking frame but forgot to make it actually fit people. The handling was just plain squirrely, and it came with a super hard skinny seat that I wanted for my road bike...but terrible for your normal electric bike user.

 

[LewTwo]

We had a couple of these at my shop under a different brand name.. the biggest problem is the crazy high bottom bracket... it's a little more then 14 inches! If you have anything besides very short legs, by the time you raise the seat you feel way up in the air, and reaching a foot to the ground was tough. Then your hands end up feeling low unless you swap stems. It was like they got busy making the cool looking frame but forgot to make it actually fit people. The handling was just plain squirrely, and it came with a super hard skinny seat that I wanted for my road bike...but terrible for your normal electric bike user.

Thank thee ... I had missed that detail.