Aquaponics

nechaus

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Anyone here have home grown vegies using Aquaponics ??

IF you don't know what this is and you enjoy gardening or growing food.. you should check it out and read up!



I have about 4 goldfish and 1 yabbie in my 200ltr fishtank..
they grow me a bunch of lettuce, cucumbers, tomatoes ect...
it saves so much water its great!!
 
I was considering this outside with one of those corrogated iron planters (obviously waterproofed to suit) with yabbies - vegies and crayfish to eat :)
 
I have used rubbermade tubs and aquarium air stones to grow tomatoes ;) and it was a great way to grow versus soil or even a soiless medium. If your ph is off or some other thing you can just drain the water. Let's you keep a good eye on those beautifull blond root structures.

I would like to use aquaponics again sometime combined with a LED setup using the plans you can find here http://www.growcel.com/buildRTGCEL.pdf
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They use high power Cree LEDs mostly in the red and blue spectrum tuned to your plants needs. The reflector acts as a heat sync and the LEDs are not pulsed so that the plants get a steady stream of energy. I think it's really cool that he puts his plans, part lists and instructions out there under the creative commons for everyone to use. The led growlight market has been rife with Chinese ripoff gimics and as far as I can tell this guy is the only real deal.

I'm thinking that if you had a greenhouse using aquaponics, combined with supplemental LED lighting you could stand to grow a great deal of food per square foot. Aquaponics is a great way to make a very simple and reliable system. You don't need to fill and drain, or mess with all the problems associated with soil. All you need is to keep the reservoir topped off and the airstone takes care of the rest.

I have a friend in a MIT dorm who feeds his turtle table scraps, the goldfish eat eclusively turtle poop and theirs in turn feed the plants. My mom has been using an outdoor coi pond to feed all of her plants. Heck, I bet you could build yourself essentially a fish farm, and have it supply your vegetable garden.
 
IF my house was not being sold i would def be getting more serious fish.. and doing a bigger setup..

One of my dreams is to have a house.. being 100% off the grid using solar wind and any other way to make clean energy..
have a massive green house farming fish and growing a shit load of vegies..

I think its Jade perch, they have the highest amount of omegas.. over any other fish..
truly brain food


I love my small garden tho.. i never water it.. solar powered pump.. and i never fill it up.. it fills when it rains.. and has never been empty yet.. been going for about 16 months.. if i fill it with town water, it will mess the ph up + its hard water
i was surprised that my tap water/town water has a ph of about 7.5 7.6
and that is not the best stuff to drink...
rain water can be a ph of 6.5 big difference in my opinion

Had problems with the PH levels at the start but i used a a heap of lemons daily and is now sitting at about 6.7..
 
Thing about aquaponics is that plants need a hell of a lot more elemental nutrients (NPK and traces) than what aquatic life will naturally produce. It's great to use the exchange water on the plants, but you will find yourself supplementing the plants with Hoagland's a lot more than you think. However, as the fish and yabbies need fresh water regularly, it's a waste not to put it on your plants.
 
jonescg said:
Thing about aquaponics is that plants need a hell of a lot more elemental nutrients (NPK and traces) than what aquatic life will naturally produce. It's great to use the exchange water on the plants, but you will find yourself supplementing the plants with Hoagland's a lot more than you think. However, as the fish and yabbies need fresh water regularly, it's a waste not to put it on your plants.

So I go to Youtube and type in yabbie and up comes; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaJNmb_yTHM
WTF :?: :?: Which part do you eat, the board or the rider :?: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
jonescg said:
Thing about aquaponics is that plants need a hell of a lot more elemental nutrients (NPK and traces) than what aquatic life will naturally produce. It's great to use the exchange water on the plants, but you will find yourself supplementing the plants with Hoagland's a lot more than you think. However, as the fish and yabbies need fresh water regularly, it's a waste not to put it on your plants.


Yeah that's true.. but it depends on what you grow and what the plant requirements are..
if i do supplement, i use a seaweed extract and it cost me next to nothing..
and sometimes when my silverbeat lacks in iron, i use chelated iron ( table spoon once a month), i have heard of people using stuff like rusty nails to supplement iron or using grow beds made of corrugated iron. And i think the build up of shit over time @ the bottom of the grow bed helps.. i got heaps of worms in mine now, plants seem to do alot better since i added some

i like it because i really don't need to do alot. I tend to forget about watering plants in the dirt
 
DYep, got a growbed and 1000l tank with rainbow trout. Just about ready to harvest the trout after babying them through the hotspell. Vegies grow so fast I swear you can see it! Got to watch the chemistry when putting in a new batch of fish but no drama at all. Love my system.
Cheers,
Glenn
 
I am keen to get one of these setups going when I move to my next, bigger house. Do you guys have any particular books or websites you recommend to read up on Aquaponics. I have briefly looked at a few forums and sites, but if you can recommend any particular ones always better than stumbling through.
 
Philistine said:
I am keen to get one of these setups going when I move to my next, bigger house. Do you guys have any particular books or websites you recommend to read up on Aquaponics. I have briefly looked at a few forums and sites, but if you can recommend any particular ones always better than stumbling through.


Yep :) , There is a guy called murray hallam, his got some great video's on how it works, i think its called "Practical aquaponics & aquaponics made easy" from memory, it's his business, he sells systems ready to go, its pretty expensive tho but they look nice and would make a fine addition to the garden, i just used some cheap plastic ponds and drums from bunnings warehouse, got a bilge and air pump from ebay. cost me around $150 all up, i used drainage gravel, it was much much cheaper than the expanded clay balls,

You can get fingerlings, baby fish for about $1.50 each as well.. jade perch taste good and they have the highest amount of omega 3 out of any species of fish, fresh and salt water
http://www.ausyfish.com/perch_fingerling_prices.htm you can buy fish from here


http://www.aquaponics.net.au/ this is where i found out all the info i needed to get going and downloaded his videos, on youtube of course :wink:


You can use goldfish ... any fish really
 
Glenn_M said:
DYep, got a growbed and 1000l tank with rainbow trout. Just about ready to harvest the trout after babying them through the hotspell. Vegies grow so fast I swear you can see it! Got to watch the chemistry when putting in a new batch of fish but no drama at all. Love my system.
Cheers,
Glenn


1000 L tank, damm im jealous, I would love to grow rainbow trout
 
Jay64 said:
nechaus said:
One of my dreams is to have a house.. being 100% off the grid using solar wind and any other way to make clean energy..

Check out these guys. They are totally off grid for electricity and water.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=35104
They havent started their aquaponics yet, but it is on the table for a future project.


damm thats cool!
it's a pretty big step to do something like that, i respect them 100% for that.

one of these days !!
 
Philistine said:
I am keen to get one of these setups going when I move to my next, bigger house. Do you guys have any particular books or websites you recommend to read up on Aquaponics. I have briefly looked at a few forums and sites, but if you can recommend any particular ones always better than stumbling through.

I know nothing on the hydroponics side of this equation but I've built a few unconventional aquaculture systems. The hatchery for brine shrimp to feed the newly hatched fish we from brood stock, was made from 2 liter pop bottles. The rearing tanks were anything from plastic sheet lined plywood boxes to cattle troughs, food grade barrels cut in half, etc, anything that will hold water. Biofilters (which you don't need in Aquaponics) made from furnace filters, portlite strips, bullrushes and lillies.
The first thing I got rid of was the relatively expensive airpump/airstone part of the system. With 1000lbs of seafood per tank, our air-stones were $450 each. I decided to use Jacuzzi hot tub venturis to get air into the water. The conventional wisdom of hot tub builders, was .25hp per jet, so I used a 5hp pump on five 4' x 8' tanks with 2 jets per tank. At the grand opening of my system, when I flipped the switch, the volume of air instantly emptied most of the tanks on the floor. The .25hp is calculated on the depth of a hot tub, not an shallow fish tank. A 1hp pump was enough for 20 jets in 5 tanks. Much later, I visited a tropical fish warehouse which had 600 X 20 gallon tanks, with the only air supply for the entire building being a vacuum cleaner pump, from a sawdust collector, run as a compressor. He used little ball air-stones. I had tried a shopvac for air supply to a tank system and it did not work. You need a little more than .5lbs per foot of tank depth. My shopvac was good for 1" before the bubbles stopped. Because we were refrigerating the tanks in one installation, I made them of molded double fiberglass wall with foam between. We used sheets of bubble wrap on top to keep the cool in. Much cheaper than proper ice blankets. Pumping ambient temperature air through the water is a problem as it contributes a lot of heat. With the venturi system, we picked the air up on the top inside edge of the tanks where it was coolest. I always wanted to try a swamp cooler for both air and evaporative cooling. When you have lots of fish in a tank, we learned they are much happier if the water flows in one end and out the other. When transporting live fish, we cut our mortality rate from 6-8% (depending on length of trip) to almost 0% by having a defined flow.

Do the Aquaponics guys bother with the oxygen content of the water? What is the loading of fish per volume of water per size of grow-opp? Do you need a good background in Chem/Bio to be successful with Aquaponics? How do you get the trace elements to the plants without killing the fish?
 
I have been looking for an IBC container around here to try it out. I am concerned I won't be able to keep the temp of the water low enough in this San Antonio heat though. The IBC's are about 350gallons I think. I have found a couple so far but they held some nasty chemicals. I might just buy a new one for 400$'s if I cant find one. I was going to follow the instructions at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFM7J_TpTU&feature=g-all-u&context=G22dccd4FAAAAAAAADAA. I plan to start with Tilapia and would like to do shrimp downstream from the fish later on. I was thinking about trying to grow some Moringa trees for a source of protein for the fish. -Damcard
 
im going to copy and paste some information, it will save me typing it...

Bacteria play an important role the health and well being of your aquaponics system by removing the ammonia from the water. This is not a special or magical thing unique to aquaponics, filters in home aquariums as an example use the same families of bacteria to perform the necessary task of removing the ammonia in a very similar fashion.

The Nitrogen Cycle
When our fish excrete waste (we'll call it poo or poop from now on because we're all friends here) the fish poo contains a very high percentage of ammonia. Ammonia in concentrations higher than five parts per million in your tank water is harmfull to fish and in concentrations not much higher than that very toxic and would result in a rapid painfull death. This is not to say that five parts per million is acceptable either, long term exposure would result in your fish dying slowly and painfully instead and they would be more susceptable to disease and illness as well. The ideal amount of ammonia to have in your fish tank is none.

This is where our bacteria come into play. There are two families of bacteria that are beneficial in our aquaponics system just as they are beneficial in an aquarium. The first group is known as nitrosomanas bacteria and they convert the ammonia into nitrites. Nitrite is another harmful toxin that is nearly as dangerous to the fish as ammonia and a second group of bacteria known as nitrobacter are required to convert the nitrite into nitrate. Nitrates are far less harmfull to your fish but once again still toxic above a certain level. Fortunately for us most plants require nitrates to grow and flourish and they will complete the cycle of removing the ammonia from your tank. A healthy, well balanced and established aquaponics system will have less than 0.25 ppm of either ammonia, nitrite or nitrate.

Your aquaponics system growbed is an ideal environment for these bacteria to flourish but it is important to bear in mind that both nitrosomanas and nitrobacter both prefer a growbed that is at least 30cm (1 foot) deep. If your growbed is shallower than this the bacteria will still colonise the growbed but conditions will be less than ideal for them and the aquaponics system may not perform as well as it would otherwise.

Cycling your Aquaponics System
When your aquaponics system is constructed and ready to be used for the first time there will be virtually no beneficial bacteria present, colonies of nitrosomanas and nitrobacter must be established before the system will work correctly. The process of establishing the bacteria colonies in your aquaponics system (or an aquarium for that matter) is referred to as cycling your system.

The nitrosomanas and nitrobacter bacteria are present everywhere around us in the air, in the soil and in water and it is really quite easy to encourage them to inhabit your aquaponics system. When your system is ready to go, there is water in the tank and growing medium in your growbed, but it does not contain any fish or plants introduce a source of ammonia to the tank. Most aquaponic gardeners add a small amount of pure ammonia, fish food or even live fish to the tank. Fish food when it is uneaten and left in the tank will break down and cause the ammonia level to increase. Adding live fish, usually a hardy species such as goldfish, is a dubious approach at best as the fish are at risk as the ammonia level increases and there is also the possibility of disease being transmitted to your food crop fish. One article I read suggested throwing in a handfull of prawns and this is the approach I have taken with great success. I threw in one handfull (about 6 or 7 king prawns) when I commenced cycling and added a second handfull about 10 days later. Once you have added your source of ammonia commence pumping the water from your reservoir through your growbed and back to the reservoir as you intend to do when the system is running.

The amount of time that it takes for your bacteria colonies to become established depends on many variable factors such as water temperature, ambient temperature, the depth of the growbed and many other things besides. In a warm temperate or tropical climate you may have colonies starting to esablish themselves in as little as two to three weeks. It may take substantially longer if conditions are less than optimal.

Bacteria are so small its really difficult to tell if your system has cycled successfully but there is one sure way to tell in the form of an aquarium water test kit. Aquarium water test kits allow you to measure the amount of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate in parts per million and also the pH level of your water. They can be purchased at reasonable cost from aquariums and pet shops and most kits permit hundreds of tests to be performed. I recommend testing every day once you have added your source of ammonia. What you should see is the ammonia levels slowly rise to about 5ppm or so and then drop to zero as the nitrosomanas bacteria become established. Nitrite levels will then start to rise to about 5ppm and then once again drop to zero as the nitrobacter also become established and start producing nitrates.

When you can see the presence of nitrates it is time to add your fish to the tank and plant your vegetables in the growbed. Over the first 6-8 weeks of the systems operation continue to monitor the level of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate within your system. You will find over that time the levels of each will jump around a fair bit and will not be very consistant. This is because the bacteria colonies are still becoming established. If you find ammonia or nitrite levels above 5ppm this can indicate a problem that needs to be addressed immediately or your fish may suffer for it. Nitrate levels can climb to 20ppm without too much issue as long as it doesnt stay there for very long. If you find dangerous levels then it is wise to remove one third of the water from your tank and replace it with clean fresh water. The ideal pH for aquaponics is 6.5-7.0. My system started at 8.0 and slowly dropped without any issues and the fish and plants were not affected.

A Quick Word about Chlorine
Chlorine is often added to tap water to kill bacteria and ensure that it is safe for human consumption. Chlorine is not desirable in aquaponics systems for two reasons, firstly it damages the gills of your fish and kills them and secondly it kills your benefical bacteria too. Chlorine must be removed from your water before adding it to the aquaponics system. Chlorine can be added to drinking water in one of two ways. If it is added as chlorine gas then it will dissipate fairly quickly if you put your water into a bucket or container and allow it to stand for a day or two. If the chlorine is added as chloramine or you would like to use your water immediately there are water conditoners you can buy from pet shops and aquariums that will chemically remove the chlorine for you. If you choose to use a water conditioner or chlorine neutralizer ensure that it is suitable for use with fish intended for human consumption.
 
When i first had my system, my ph was about 7.8, i added lemon juice ( keeping natural) to bring it down, id take about 1/4 of a cup poor it in, wait a few hours and check the ph, i had to do this pretty much everyday for a about 2 months, and i would adjust it as i needed after that.
if your ph is around 7.5+ its gonna be hard for the plants to uptake much via the roots, even with supplemented nutrients
best ph i found was about 6.7 6.9 about as low as you wanna go, otherwise the fish will die.

if you dont want to use citric acids, you can use small amounts of HCL

When you first get a aquaponics system, its a bit of stuffing around, plants will die, but eventually it will become stable.
First 6 moths i used a seaweed extract to supplement nutrients, it does not harm the fish at all, another name for it i think is "kelp".
Adding worms I found to be extremely beneficial.

The plants fish and bacteria need the water to be aerated, i had a dual air pump. just small stones, it was enough for my small system.
But i now honestly say, i do nothing but leave it and everything works.

I once topped my system up with tap water... it was a bad idea, i should have left it in the sun for 48 hours but i ended up putting the hose in water drum, after i did that, ph shot up, plants were starting to yellow on the leaves about 24 hours later, took me a week or so to get the ph back down and be stable.


all i can say is don't get discouraged @ the start because to have a good working system it really takes about 12 months to get good growth without supplementation. ( this is good for people who don't move around much)

Last year i grew a heap of cucumbers in my system, and i have to say it was the best tasting cucumbers iv ever had in my life, the crunch was amazing and tasted so fresh.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 Preview of murrys video ( really good) !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg17Yp1OONo guy who has a home made system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9x_W9X-tM Fully automated system & computerized ( bit stange as i only seen about 6 or 7 goldfish)
 
Lots to absorb.
Thanks,
:mrgreen:
 
Just a bit off topic, but could you please put on a shirt Nechaus? We're all quite impressed with your muscles, but your profile pic makes me think a smiling T-1000 has come from the future to ride ebikes to hunt the young John Connor before he leads the post apocalyptic risistance against skynet.
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gestalt said:
Just a bit off topic, but could you please put on a shirt Nechaus? We're all quite impressed with your muscles, but your profile pic makes me think a smiling T-1000 has come from the future to ride ebikes to hunt the young John Connor before he leads the post apocalyptic risistance against skynet.
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Nechaus - Like your picture of the Egg Whites carton :? If you are the guy in the picture? Happy to see you are wearing pants :lol:

I never ate egg whites. Do eat egg white and yoke. No joke, yoke. Will look for a carton of egg whites in the store.
 
drinking egg whites will make you big and strong !!

I would never actually drink this crap in a carton tho, id rather crack the eggs myself.
I just thought it was a funny picture and i have never seen it b4, so i snapped a pic of it
 
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