best parts to build a e bike with

adrianlit

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I have the how to build a 50mph electric bike by greg Davey but don't want the hassle of modding everything the spec I want for my bike is the same speed as gregs design atleast 50mph and I want a range of atleast 100-150 miles no less I want to have a mid mount motor as well the thought of doing wheeles as most high powered motors seem to do ive not heard that from mid mount motors, I want to know what motor I need for 50mph+ what controller I need where I don't need to mod to get high volts,Cycle Analyst I would need,what what bms and very high battery pack would I need for 50mph and 100-150+ miles range what throttle,and I would like cruise control and regen braking,also hydraulics disk brakes with e wires, I don't wanna be spending top money I want items with proven reliability as I would like to after prototyping the finished bike looking to put it into production can anyone help me
 
I think that you're asking on the wrong forum. This is electric bicycles. You want this one:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=10
 
You say you want something with pedals, but...I have to agree with d8veh, the E-bike section doesn't have a lot of info on a 50-MPH / 100+ mile vehicle.

Putting aside the enormous battery you will need (72v minimum, more is better), the builder you might want to start reading is John in CR. He runs over 50-MPH all the time, and you're in luck, he is selling non-hub motors to accomplish what he does. I don't know the total price range to accomplish this, but I'm afraid it will be expensive.

"John in CR" is selling three motor sizes that were originally made to be hub-motors for a 48V scooter. High efficiency than common E-bike hubmotors because they have thinner laminations made from a higher-silicon steel:

Price__diameter X width of stator__Kv is RPMs per volt

$285, 150mm X 50mm (5.9 X 2.0-inches) 17-Kv 3240W/4-HP at 72V X 45A, the shell is roughly 6.8-inches diameter, and 4.5-inches wide.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=40859

$389, 163mm X 56mm (6.4 X 2.2-inches) 17-Kv
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=47607
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=42531

$539, 175mm X 60mm (6.9 X 2.4-inches) 7,000W / 9-HP
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46898
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=41604
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If you have $14,000, a zero motorcycle might be your best bet for your requirements. http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-ds/order.php

If you lower your range requirements to 15miles, you are going to have a much better time building a bike.

100-150 mile range is almost unheard of on a bike, and only on a low power bike could you get this range. It would take at least 60lb $2000 battery on a low powered bike. High powered bikes use much more power.

Also, if your bike goes above 32km/h it is illegal in many countries, even if it has lights and a horn.
 
adrianlit said:
no it is a push bike but with high speed motor and high capacity battery pack its not a e motorcycle /scooter that's why I posted it on here
50mph isn't a problem. It's the range. You're going to need excellent aerodynamics and a lot of batteries. Best suited to a recumbent trike. Go to the simulator play around with it. Then you'll know what you'll need besides lots of money. Batteries alone will cost at ~$3000. Can probably do it for ~$5000 give or take $1k.
http://www.ebikes.ca/simulator/
 
The Greg Davey Ebike will hit 50mph, but it can't maintain 50mph for long. and it carries enough battery to go 100 miles only if you keep the speed to 8-10 mph.

The motor he used would melt at sustained runs at that speed. You would need a scoot/motorcycle motor like what John in CR sells, or go with a 3-5k watt nominal rated mid drive.

Normal bicycle parts can't sustain that kind of abuse. you would need DH parts at a minimum, and probably mix in motorcycle parts as well. Count on needing to weld your own frame to house the batteries.

By the time you get to half your goals with the bike, you will have spent enough to have bought a used Zero motorcycle.
 
999zip999 said:
I would paint the bike with solar paint so it will always have a full charge.

You could, but pedaling will keep it charged up and ready to go.
 
Look up Zero Motorcycle. But even it cannot carry that much range.

50mph for 10 miles, many of us have done that for under $2000. It's going for longer that is the problem, starting with how do you carry that much battery.

John in CR may have done it cheapest of all, dig up some of his old threads.
 
no it is a push bike but with high speed motor and high capacity battery pack its not a e motorcycle /scooter that's why I posted it on here

Let me re-phrase: Livesforphysics (LFP) built a 20-inch wheeled bicycle for a race and he used a motor and controller that were the type that could power a motorcycle. THAT bicycle was capable of 50-MPH. Add enough battery and it will provide the range. It doesn't matter what kind of frame you are using, but...the problem is...only LFP, John-in-CR, and maybe Arlo, and Zombiess have experience with those motors and controllers.

I don't remember the part numbers or names, but they were big and expensive. You can put them on any frame that you want, but the guys who can tell you the part numbers, the names of the best places to buy them, and how to program the controller, well...they are not here, they are there.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.
 
thanks to the guys who have given me sound informative advice that's what a forum is all about but still some sarcastic wiseguys leaving comments why!!!!! what are you gaining your not being funny its insulting and the administrators SHOULD do something about it
 
999zipp999 for your information I have $15.0000 to invest so I DO have the money, I don't want a zero I want my own design but due to uk law your limited on weight and power plus I would have to have the hassle of getting a motorbike licence were a bike what does "30mph" u don't need do a bike test if u got a car licence before 2000 so im fine there,I only want the 50mph as most roads in the uk are 30mph but a lot are 40mph the 50mph is just for over taking knowing I would have the power $2000+ is not a problem for a battery pack
 
I see you're in the UK, please put that in your profile for your benefit.
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A Crystalite H4080 will get you the speed you want on 72V or a little more. You should be able to cruise at 35mph with it all day long or until your battery depletes. For 100 miles at 35mph, you'll probably need more battery than you can fit on a regular bike. If you use a recumbent trike though, you could do it with a cheap 1000W motor and 40ah of 72V cruising at 35mph.
 
I think he said he's making a push bike so I'm thinking a pusher trailer? That way the weight wouldn't be on the bike and he'd have the room on a trailer for the amount of batteries he needs. It'd have to be a pretty solid and sturdy trailer though.
 
Trikes are not EASY to ride past 30mph. I keep saying this but people somehow thing trikes feel easy to maneuver at 50mph I don't see where they get that experience from but I can assure you it isn't like that.

ALso if you want 50mph best go with a brammo or zero motorcycle.
 
WTF you think your going to get away with a bicycle powered to 50mph in the UK?

We have already Ridiculous limits on whats legal and your going to try and exceed the speed by over 3 times and the power by probably 30 times.

What bicycle frame can stand upto 50mph with enough batterys to go 100 miles?

I also don't know how you plan to stop such a vehicle in an emergency as most mountain bike brakes would be completely insufficient.

Enforcement on ebike regulations are quite lax at the moment in the UK but if tools go around on death traps at 50mph we can expect to start getting grief from the police even if were going a reasonable speed.

If you want to go 50mph which in my opinion is an unregistered illegal E-motorbike do it on private land there's a good chap.
 
lol @ chilledoutuk ur comment about there a good chap ........u can get it registered as a e motor bike if its up to 3kw and you can go any speed legally if you have a full car licences and take a cbt and have L plates on.... if you keep it at 30mph eg a moped u only need a car licence,i want the bike to be able do 50mph not to drive it that speed all the time,its just for overtaking and the ability to go on 40mph roads so 90% of the time I will be only going about 30mph so I will be legal with the information I have got from E.U and the uk dvla etc,....I wont be doing anything illegal and will have it tested and registered as a e bike or e motorbike depending on what the msva state
 
@adrianlit: First, such high speed bikes and their needs and problems have been discussed to death, so before you continue, you need to read those previous threads for the info you want:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/w/index.php/I%27m_a_Noob_and_I_Wanna_Go_50MPH
THere's a lot of garbage in the threads, too, but also information you're going to need/want.



Next, realize that the battery you will need for that range at that speed is going to weigh more than you do, in all likelihood. It will also quite possibly cost as much as a car, or a new Zero motorcycle, depending on how you acquire it.

You should probably also read up on John in CR's threads about his bikes in Costa Rica, because some of them can go the speeds you want, though I don't know what range he has off the top of my head, or the size/weight of his batteries.


On my cargo bike, I have two packs totalling probably 40lbs, at a guess. Haven't weighed them recently. They only have enough capacity to move me *at most* 50 miles, and that is at <20MPH, and that's running them totally dead. If I needed to go that range at twice that speed, it'd probably take at least 3 times as much battery to do it (probably more; I'm just guesstimating from what I recall of other people's results--you'd have to read up on the posts about such bikes to find their actual results). But we'll be generous and call it only 100lbs of batteries, to go only 40MPH for only 50 miles. (it'll probably take more than that)

Since you want to go another 10MPH more, that will probably at least double the necessary capacity, so now you need perhaps 200lbs of battery. (keeping in mind that it's not just the extra speed that makes the capacity need increase, it's the extra battery weight/size itself that adds to this, so it'll probably be more than that).

To get the range you want, now you have to triple the capacity of the battery. Now you need 600lbs of batteries (and again, the more weight/size you add, the more battery you need just to move that weight and overcome the air resistance caused by the extra size, so again, you'd probably need more than that).

Assuming the above guesstimates are correct, you will not likely be able to that battery on your bicycle frame, unless it is custom made specifically to hold that battery, built around it. I could be wrong--but you'll need to do the math on your situation to verify. You might need even more battery than I think you will.



You'll want to use the simulators available on the web, including that at http://ebikes.ca/simulator , to crunch the numbers and see what capacity (Wh) you will actually need for your desired range and speed. While doing this, keep in mind also that because this bike will be heavy, it will also take a lot of power to get it moving each time you stop, or to go up hills, compared to a lighter bike. So it will also need more capacity (and more weight) to make up for that power to actually give you the range you are after.


Also, as you ride, your top speed will drop as the pack voltage drops, so you will need a pack voltage capable of moving you *faster* than the speed you actualy want to ride at, so that even when the pack is at it's lowest voltage near the end, it will still move you as fast as you want to go.


Also, if there is wind against you, or you have unexpected detours, you will have less range, so you want to size your pack's capacity to allow for that possibility, so you don't run out of range before you get where you are going.


Another thing to remember is that as the packs' capacity drops with age and use, you'll get less range out of it, and the top speed will drop quicker, so you need to size your pack's capacity so that it will still give you the range you need as it ages.


Typically I'd add at least 20% capacity for each of those last two things, but in your case that means quite a huge pack size/weight increase, and I'm not sure you will be able to fit that much on there, practically.
 
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