Can a visitor to Europe just rent the battery?

greenspark

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I've been contacted by someone in New Zealand who wants to buy a kit for their bike, but also to fly to Europe with their bike. I am advising them that trying to check an e-bike with a lithium battery is not permitted.

Does anyone know if there is a place in Europe that would rent just the 36v battery, or perhaps store a customer's battery for months at a time?
 
I never herd of a place you can rent a e bike battery, where in europe is this?
 
Joppo said:
I never herd of a place you can rent a e bike battery, where in europe is this?
I was asking the question. I don't have the answer.

However, if there is anyone in the ebike business in Europe, this may be another business opportunity.

Airlines no longer will take an ebike with a battery in it. Shipping the battery separately is very expensive, because it must go as hazmat. Renting, or selling a used battery that the shop will buy back when the rider leaves Europe may be a money-maker. Just a thought.
 
There's plenty of places to rent an ebike.

It wouldn't be practical to rent batteries. How many types of battery are there, and how many people would come to the place where the batteries are rented from carrying an ebike with no battery? Europe's a big place: 10,180,000 km² and about 50 different countries.

If we could have details of what the battery is and where he's going, maybe somebody could help.You need to be more specific.
 
About the only option will be buy a battery, then resell it later. Maybe he can find an ES person willing to hold the thing till it sells, then ship it for him.

Renting the whole bike and battery could be possible in some places.
 
greenspark said:
Joppo said:
I never herd of a place you can rent a e bike battery, where in europe is this?
I was asking the question. I don't have the answer.

However, if there is anyone in the ebike business in Europe, this may be another business opportunity.

Airlines no longer will take an ebike with a battery in it. Shipping the battery separately is very expensive, because it must go as hazmat. Renting, or selling a used battery that the shop will buy back when the rider leaves Europe may be a money-maker. Just a thought.

I understand that it was a question... It's easyer to help you search if I know what country they want to rent a battery in. I live here and eourope is not a small place
 
The person who wrote (in response to a newspaper article I wrote on ebiking) did not indicate which country, but I understand the shipping problem is by air. Therefore, anywhere in Europe where a truck delivers is OK, I would assume.

As to type of battery, for a buyer's group, we recently bought 29 36v batteries from CellMan, and find the 29E in the shape of a brick to be compact enough to fit almost anywhere. Some toss them into a saddleback or pannier, others just strap them onto the rack. If someone were to get into the business, I would suggest to select this size and offer them with a handlebar/saddle bag with Anderson connector on the battery and then a 600mm cable with Anderson on one end, where the bike owner takes it to a local shop that splices it in to whatever is on their bike.

Since no one has replied knowing of such a business, I would suggest that this could be a good new ancillary business opportunity in Europe, to be run alongside a business selling and installing retro-fit kits for existing bikes. In addition to the batteries, we also took delivery of 23 Bafang BBS01 kits and find they are now simple enough to install to be a game-changer. Until now the ebike world was divided between the enthusiasts (many of whom are on this forum) willing to do a lot of fiddling, and buyers who want a simple solution and therefore buy a complete (and not very inspiring) e-bike. We just installed the kit on a new Pashley (see http://www.pashley.co.uk/products/sonnet-pure.html) which is a classic bike since 1926, instantly adding a hill-flattener option to it that is subtle but really impressive. Because the controller is built into the motor, there are very few cables coming off the bike, and there is very little to go wrong. Takes about an hour to convert. First test ride and it was clear this is a game changer in the industry. The 250W EU legal unit provides sufficient torque going up a hill, and then shifting into a higher gear gets it up to a decent speed. A business buying these motors in bulk and installing them with Cell Man batteries is feasible and should have a reasonable profit margin. There is a lot of Europe that is not flat, and this opens up those areas to bicycling for a much wider audience. That's the prime new business, probably for an existing bike shop, although in Wellington there is a fellow who started with a retro-fitting business by renting a bit of space from an existing bike shop and he is doing quite well (see http://evlab.co.nz) with a business that offers both kits and ebikes. The secondary business is the battery exchange... probably best as a buy and buy-back plan, although short term rentals for someone taking a longer trip (a bit like renting a professional camera lens for a single shoot), also makes sense.

With Europe becoming so bicycle friendly, overseas people are now selecting it for bike holidays, and some airlines will take bikes for free (Emirates, for example). However, getting the batteries around is a major problem, due to an over-reaction on the part of regulators. Hence, the potential for a side business in batteries, including buying back batteries from people who can't take them home on airplanes.
 
newschoolnerd said:
Maybe you can consider dividing the battery up to meet the regulations. NYCEwheels just put out a solution for this here http://www.nycewheels.com/lithium-polymer-ae-split-brompton.html
Thanks! I've just sent it on to Paul to ask for his thoughts. This could be a smart idea. Any idea how many batteries can be carried? I'm a fan of multiple smaller batteries, so you only carry them all on longer trips, using a single small for coffee runs.
 
There should be some pricy but still legal means to buy a battery in Europe, then ship it home to yourself after the trip. Slow boat, not air ship. If finding a buyer for the used pack in Europe can't work.

Ideally, you'd buy a cellman pack or whatever, have it shipped to Europe instead of NZ. Then, after the trip have a buyer in Europe waiting to take delivery on the used pack lined up. Get enough of your money back to make it a bearable expense.

Or, just get some cheap RC batteries, again ship them to EU instead of home, and figure to eat the cost of em after the trip. Literally, give em away when you fly back. You can fly your charging system home. This might be the least costly thing to do, especially if a smaller pack could be used, like 12s 10 ah. Vacation budget, 300 bucks or so should not be that bad a cost. You would spend a lot per day renting anything right? And, you can treat them like you don't care about cycles.
 
What are the limits on shipping a lithium battery in or out of the EU right now? Is it size or Ah, or volts?

If I was going to Europe on a once-in-a-lifetime visit, I would do as dogman suggested. I would arrange for a bike shop or friendly ES member to receive a new battery, test it, and hold it until I arrive. Then...I could sell it to a local E-bike enthusiast at a reduced price. Even selling it for half-price to the person who hosted the battery until my arrival would be well worth it.
 
If I was going to Europe on a once-in-a-lifetime visit, I would do as dogman suggested. I would arrange for a bike shop or friendly ES member to receive a new battery, test it, and hold it until I arrive. Then...I could sell it to a local E-bike enthusiast at a reduced price. Even selling it for half-price to the person who hosted the battery until my arrival would be well worth it.

Put me down as a resource in Stockholm Sweden. We have a beautiful city that is very bike friendly.
I can source ebike batteries from a network of ebike shops here in Stockholm that i do frequent trade with.(mostly 36v)
If you have LiPo experience that is a plus! I can make arrangements to ship LiPo's here. Then when your done, I can sell them for you in the Swedish version of Craigslist. Best months to visit is April to September.
 
If he comes to Telford, he can borrow one of mine for nothing. I've silver fish batteries, frog batteries and one rack battery all in 36v, and lipos in 10S, 12S and 16S.
 
Thanks, that is great news. I'll let folks know. Perhaps we should establish a Travel Resource page on this forum so that folks can find such resources easily.
 
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