cans pouches cells & chemistries/ past present & future

[nutnspecial]

I think we could mostly agree on cost, weight, stock durability, configuration and repair/ reconfiguration ease between lithium pouches and cells?

Same for benefits and drawbacks of various lithium chemistries?

What about more broadly and generally speaking of large VS small cells, for the purposes of manufacture ease, reliability, and servicability? Can benefit be found in larger cells?
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And as a bonus, let's not stop there!

1) Is industry relying more on smaller cells as we move to new chemistries and why?

2) Is this specific to application at all and why?

3) Where does that fit in with lead acid utilizing more often larger* cells?

4) Additionally but specifically, what direction will batteries will go with tech advancement . . .


. . .considering stationary or mobile and various power levels:

For performance: size, weight, power, reliability, longevity

For cost: simplicity (manufacture/remanufacture), material (abundance/accessibility)

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Here are some threads possibly helpful and applicable:

Why Lithium Ion Batteries Prematurely Fail https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57084

Article from an engineering magazine about future batteries https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2601

Investing in Li Batteries https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12872

Magnesium-ion batteries (For the future) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=45945

Tesla Buys Nearly 2 Billion Panasonic Cells https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=54831&p

future batteries https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=58289

battery format - cylinder vs pouch https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=56308

cylinder vs prismatic battery cell advantages? https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=26037

Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57256&start=800
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Is it incorrect to think technological advancement could move towards drastically smaller 'cells', to the point that one brick sized 'brick' contains thousands?

Will definitions of 'chemistry', 'cell', 'capacitor', 'fuel cell', and 'battery' loose some individual meaning?

Here's to moving towards actual storms in bottles

 

[liveforphysics]

The moment a cost effective safe solid electrolyte with adequate room temperature ionic conductivity is created, from that moment forward cans and pouches alike are obsoleted.

 

[Hillhater]

Whilst some cell formats are undoubtedly custom designed to suit a specific aplication or product ( cell phones cells), the vasr majority have a "heritage" or baggage that they carry in order to comply with existing product applications, and / or be adaptable to many different applications...18650's being a classic case...adaptable to suit a thousand different laptops and flashlights etc, and even the EV world. That adaptability brings with it advantages of volume production and consequent cost benefits.
Irrespective of the advancements in chemistry, i suspect any new cell format (size, shape) would require a major "product sponsor" such as Apple, tesla, GM, etc, for it to be viable.

 

[LewTwo]

Leave us not forget transportation. A major cost of the current lithium based technologies is getting the battery to market. Shipping a battery pack can easily cost more than the pack itself. That by itself has a tendency to suppress the market. The fact that all lithium batteries/cells are lumped together into one category regardless of their chemistries or form factor does not help matters.