USAEBIKECO
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The Volt should have gotten a larger government subsidy instead of giving $500 million to Fisker !
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Chevy Volt is not doing too well.
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Thud
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One of my Larger clients bought a new Volt....he absolutly loves it.
He's an average " knows nothing about cars" or ellectric vehicles in general....he just thought it was cool.
I'll be curious to have a discusion about in after he own's it for a year.
He's an average " knows nothing about cars" or ellectric vehicles in general....he just thought it was cool.
I'll be curious to have a discusion about in after he own's it for a year.
I'm in the market for a new vehicle, and right now its a difficult choice. I'd really love an all electric vehicle, but the Leaf is too slow and lacks the range i'd need. The Model S is extremely appealing, but I'm not sure I would be able to buy the 40kW model. The Tech pack, Air Suspension, and Sound pack are all required, of course. 160 mile (rated) range would be just enough to do most everything I'd want, but a little overhead would be nice, especially as the vehicle ages. I'd probably make the push to the 60kW model as a minimum. The only issue there, is they almost force you to get the 85kW model, by allowing 'supercharger' access, making it faster, and giving you 15kW for $10K, compared to the previous tier of 10kW for $10K. That means the lowest model I can reasonably buy and REALLY enjoy would be about $75K... A little spendy, considering i'd probably have to buy a cheap beater for long range trips towing stuff.
I'd be willing to forget the Model S exists, if the Volt was $20K. At it's current price, its basically not an option. I'd rather get the more efficient, cheaper, Prius and never plug it in.
That said, the Model S Signature Performance sounds like the best frocking thing ever made.
I'd be willing to forget the Model S exists, if the Volt was $20K. At it's current price, its basically not an option. I'd rather get the more efficient, cheaper, Prius and never plug it in.
That said, the Model S Signature Performance sounds like the best frocking thing ever made.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/03/05/toyota-widens-u-s-hybrid-lead-in-february/
Volt currently outselling most hybrids.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/03/05/chevy-volt-and-opel-ampera-named-2012-european-car-of-the-year/
Europe has 7,000 pre-orders lined up already..
What a failure! dig it a grave already!
Volt currently outselling most hybrids.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/03/05/chevy-volt-and-opel-ampera-named-2012-european-car-of-the-year/
Europe has 7,000 pre-orders lined up already..
What a failure! dig it a grave already!
Dauntless
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Arlo1 said:
Ummm, maybe because the Volt is built right here in the U.S.? I'll never forgive Fisker for taking the plant my Solstice was built in just as DeLorean was trying to continue to build the car. Let alone wind up not using it afterall. (At least last I heard they weren't.)
But rather than let some Kansas City Tree Hugger speak for us California Alternative Car Buyers, lemme say that:
#1. IF you have an electric bill averaging over $125/month, you can get a solar system no money down, no change in payments. You just keep paying your $125/month, even if you start charging your car at home. I don't have the $125/month bill, I haven't been able to take advantage. But If I got electric central heat/AC then bought a Volt. . . .
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/fuels/electricity_locations.html
#2. . . .I would still need a charger. If you run around and check all those FREE chargers around here, you'll notice most of them no longer work. The one at the train station near me fell down in the last year. The base rusted away and "Timber." You couldn't have used that thing if it had worked, they put one of those lockers for bicycles in the two spaces you'd have needed to park in to charge your car. The map at the bottom is inspecific. It's my understanding that there was once over 1,000 charging stations in California, they were all free, and that we did have more than half those in the country. I could tell you where there's lots of stations not listed on that site or on http://www.carstations.com. Now when you DO find one, good luck getting it to work. . . .
#3. . . .Or would I need a charger? Last weekend someone came to the neighborhood and parked his Volt to block the street, seeking attention for whatever reason. I talked to him, he lives in an apartment so he never bought a charging station and doesn't have a place to use the slow charger. He's had the opportunity to plug it in a few times, but mostly he's driven it as a gas car and has been happy with it. But for over $40k . . .
#4. . . .You still draw the wrath of those who are anxious to see GM fail. (Sigh) I think the better move would have been to have built the concept they were taking to the carshows years before, a plugin hybrid Camaro. (Although they were calling it the Volt.) That was a neat looking mockup. But the Volt itself looks pretty good. Nothing will prevent the haters and their mindless diatribes. . . .
#5. . . .Especially those who alledge themselves the fans of electric cars. The EV1, nicknamed the 'Thermal Incident' because it had so many, caused one particularly famous fire that brought the fire department, (No car accident involved) was deemed a fire hazard in the investigation for the materials it was made from, yet still remains, like the backup quarterback, the most popular guy in town. The charging coupler alone torched 16 EV1's, there's unspecified additional incidents, this thing was far more likely to burn than GM's previous spontaneous combustion champion, the Pontiac Fiero. (My brother raced one Fiero and kept another in his garage as a museum piece.) I'd say hats off to GM for not publicly trashing the electric car while taking such abuse from the Neoelectriccarfans, but they probably considered the many hazards of it their dirty little secret. The car couldn't be sold no matter how many riots you staged at the storage facility, it didn't pass American safety laws and therefore GM was not allowed to sell it. That's laws, with a lot of sss's, not law as in singular. And yet people pretend the EV1 was somehow wonderful. Ayn Rand would be proud, all these people rejecting the conscious acknowledgement of the inadequacy of the machine and instead pursuing their rationalized self interest as proper moral purpose, transforming ther metaphysical ideas into a selective reproduction of imagined reality where they only have to conceive and those conceptions are thus proven true, given rise to their inner rage at. . . .
. . .Sorry, my inner English Major escaped for a moment there, won't happen again. The point being, these people tell themselves they're entitled to hate the Volt out of existence as a way of forcing GM to give them back their beloved EV1, even though in fact their beloved EV1 never actually existed. Objectivism is NOT supposed to mean you objeK't to everything. Ayn Rand only chose to call it 'Objectivism' because 'Existentialism' was taken. Meanwhile, a fire at an Internet Service provider shortly after the release of 'Who Killed the Electric Car?' took more than 9,000 websites offline. The name of that ISP? EV1!. Coincidence. . . ?
My own thought is that a $529 million government subsidy for the Volt itself --- And a bailout of GM is NOT A SUBSIDY OF THE VOLT ITSELF! --- could have taken the form of a $2,500 installation of a charging station for the first 200,000 who bought a Volt. I'm assuming those are made in the U.S, that's probably 2,500 jobs for one year building them, maybe another 500 jobs for one year installing, although it's probably spread over maybe 5 years. How many American jobs is the Fisker creating with that $529 million? (I think it was 4,400 Volt buyers were to receive the free charger.)
Meanwhile, a used Volt might be impossible to sell. If they won't buy a new one because of the charger, why would they buy a used one?
Meanwhile, Ayn Rand wrote a play with seemingly herself as the suspected killer. At the trial, the testimony contradicts, the subjext matter leans more to the moral character of those involved and there is no clear ending. A vote is taken, without any clear evidence you decide whether she's guilty or not. Just like what people are doing with the Volt. Dude, when you brought up Ayn Rand, it was a stroke of GENIUS. . . .
jonescg
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stupid chain email said:
There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to start, but who in the world pays $1.16 per kWh for electricity? And wasn't the point of the Volt the fact that you could go on a road trip without range anxiety?
I also can't rule out that the car might well be a piece of shit, but still, some Fox reporting never did any harm...
TylerDurden
100 GW
"....the figures given for the Chevy Volt above are calculated using a price of $1.16 per kwh (kilowatt hour) of electricity. Although electricity costs vary from place to place, nowhere in the United States is the average residential retail price of electricity anywhere close to $1.16 per kwh. The average consumer price for electricity in the United States in December 2011 was only $0.127 per kwh...
...So, according to the criteria used by the author of this item, rather than being a car that "costs more than 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country" than a gasoline-powered 4-cylinder car, the Volt costs about one-third less to run (in electric mode) and takes the same amount of time to drive across country."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp
...So, according to the criteria used by the author of this item, rather than being a car that "costs more than 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country" than a gasoline-powered 4-cylinder car, the Volt costs about one-third less to run (in electric mode) and takes the same amount of time to drive across country."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp
My grampa forwarded me this same email. I responded with the real numbers. I also commented this idiot should be removed from society. Its amazing how much people belive in this shit. I also got one showing a small car that had a head on with a semi, with the title would you still buy a smart car... The who email went on about how the guy was cut in half in this "Smart car"... But I responded with who plans to survive a head on with a semi not even another semi would have survived that as well THE CENTER OF THE WHEELS HAD WV EMBLEMS ON THEM! Im not sure if the people who start shit emails like this are just stuborn and hate change or if they just want more gas to be bought. Either way grampa stick to sending me porn and I will forward it to Luke so he can open it in front of his female co-workers. BAhahahah.jonescg said:
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My take, and apparently that of BP (yes, that BP, the oil people) is that plug-in hybrids are the mid-term (2030 time range) future of the personal automobile in the US (http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/02/28/bp-predicts-the-future-of-cars-hint-yours-probably-isnt-part/). I'd love a Leaf if I weren't so cheap. I have the money for two, three, or four cars and it is a rare weekend indeed when I would use the full single charge range of a Leaf. However, the American consumer has told the automobile industry over and over again that (except for a game changing trebling of gas prices) they will not accept an automobile that doesn't look pretty much like the automobile they now have, in terms of range, size, comfort, amenities, etc. How do they tell them? They don't buy anything else in any significant amount.
People will, ultimately, vote with their wallets. I've never driven a Volt (I have driven a Leaf) and while the Volt might not be it, the mid-term future of the automobile is something very much like the Volt. Electricity is super cheap because coal is super cheap. It will continue to be cheap as long as coal is cheap. There is a lot of coal.
Rabid car people are like rabbits, they will eat their own young. I've heard cars bashed over the floor mats. It's just a car, people. There was an interview on the radio a few days ago with a guy who owned a Volt for several months before he went through a single tank of gas; he loves it. It has good points and bad, like all cars. It is a completely new design, ground up. I am sure it has bugs. How many completely new cars come out perfect the first year they are introduced? My father-in-law claims all American cars are pieces of $hit. I've only ever owned 3 cars and two were US made. As I said, they are just cars. Some good points some bad. I've never driven one less than 200k miles. By the way, assuming an American presidental administration spent $2B helping GM build the Volt is nuts. Some people a reality check and to be more discriminating in the source of their information. All electric vehicles with similar battery capacities are subsidized with tax incentives. GM was specifically "bailed out", first by President Bush for about $14B and then more ($40B) was added to the package by President Obama. This is all of GM. This administration is very actively supporting transportation system electrification in general, however. That is the prerogative of a presidential administration. I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people who thought Kennedy was nuts for throwing away all that money on the space program.
The main problem with the Volt is the same as with all large electrics, they cost way too much to compete with their all-gas counterparts. People vote with their wallets. The payback period for a Volt is on the order of 10 years. Who is going to shell out extra money today for an investment that depreciates constantly and doesn't pay back until after 10 years? Nearly no one; the average time people keep their cars in the US is aroudn 10 years now. So you are going to spend extra money now to break-even in the long run. Not hardly. Now if the price of gas doubles and the payback period halves, people will start to get interested. And anyone who uses a price per kWhr of over a dollar is just plain full of crap and is hoping people are idiots.
Worth what you paid, or less.
People will, ultimately, vote with their wallets. I've never driven a Volt (I have driven a Leaf) and while the Volt might not be it, the mid-term future of the automobile is something very much like the Volt. Electricity is super cheap because coal is super cheap. It will continue to be cheap as long as coal is cheap. There is a lot of coal.
Rabid car people are like rabbits, they will eat their own young. I've heard cars bashed over the floor mats. It's just a car, people. There was an interview on the radio a few days ago with a guy who owned a Volt for several months before he went through a single tank of gas; he loves it. It has good points and bad, like all cars. It is a completely new design, ground up. I am sure it has bugs. How many completely new cars come out perfect the first year they are introduced? My father-in-law claims all American cars are pieces of $hit. I've only ever owned 3 cars and two were US made. As I said, they are just cars. Some good points some bad. I've never driven one less than 200k miles. By the way, assuming an American presidental administration spent $2B helping GM build the Volt is nuts. Some people a reality check and to be more discriminating in the source of their information. All electric vehicles with similar battery capacities are subsidized with tax incentives. GM was specifically "bailed out", first by President Bush for about $14B and then more ($40B) was added to the package by President Obama. This is all of GM. This administration is very actively supporting transportation system electrification in general, however. That is the prerogative of a presidential administration. I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people who thought Kennedy was nuts for throwing away all that money on the space program.
The main problem with the Volt is the same as with all large electrics, they cost way too much to compete with their all-gas counterparts. People vote with their wallets. The payback period for a Volt is on the order of 10 years. Who is going to shell out extra money today for an investment that depreciates constantly and doesn't pay back until after 10 years? Nearly no one; the average time people keep their cars in the US is aroudn 10 years now. So you are going to spend extra money now to break-even in the long run. Not hardly. Now if the price of gas doubles and the payback period halves, people will start to get interested. And anyone who uses a price per kWhr of over a dollar is just plain full of crap and is hoping people are idiots.
Worth what you paid, or less.
bigmoose
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I listened to Mr. Spinningmagnets and watched the movie "Inside Job"... Wow! You want to know what these high and mighty international bankers did to you and your family? Get it and watch it 4 or 5 times. You will be madder than a hornet under a hot tin roof!
We have been betrayed gentlemen...
We have been betrayed gentlemen...
Lessss
1 MW
I want a twizzie.
DAND214
10 MW
Miss print, maybe gigawh :lol: and back to the future!
In my case iit was my mom (she's a blonde). I get more crap that doesn't make sense than stuff that does.
Dan
TonyReynolds
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Well, interesting read.
I've done a LOT of research on the Volt and of the major "electrics" available right now, it looks to be the best due to reduced range-anxiety. Because its gas engine runs a generator that supplies the traction motors, it's not a hybrid in the sense we're used to, though many here will disagree.
Yes it's expensive. New tech always is. Geez people, at least they have newer battery tech instead of NiMH. As for the fire(s), that was one fire where the battery was punctured in a roll-over test and coolant leaked and fried the circuit board (after sitting for 3 weeks), resulting in a short and a fire. There have been (as far as I can find) NO spontaneous fires in consumer vehicles.
I have a 60 mile RT commute, 1/3 is city streets and 2/3 freeway, but nevertheless my average speed is really only 40-45 MPH due to traffic, side street speed limits and stop and go. This would be perfect for an electric car. The Leaf *barely* has the range (73 miles, ideal conditions) necessary to do JUST my commute and some short errands. NO extended trips possible. The Plug-in Prius will only do 11 miles pure electric, and even so under some conditions the engine cuts in, plus the engine cuts in for anything over 62 MPH or 11 miles. Prius DOES have the range, just not good for my hoped-for all-electric commute.
If I ride a bike, walk, bus, motorcycle or drive an electric vehicle, I get a $75 alternative transportation incentive per month from my company. $900 per year. The Prius doesn't qualify for this, not even the Plug-in Prius, as it would be operating on the engine most of my commute. A Zero would qualify, but this is Seattle, and I can't ride a motorcycle year-round. I've an R1100GS that gets 35 MPG sitting in the garage since November because of terrible weather this winter.
The miles I drive make the Volt appealing because in my Mazda '89 B2200 I get 24.5 MPG. That's $2664 per year at $4 per gallon, $3330 per year at $5, 20K miles per year. My motorcycle or '05 Passat TDI both get 35 MPG, so they fare better. Diesel will very soon hit $5 per gallon in our area. Nevertheless, with alternative transportation allowance and fuel savings I could offset the cost of the Volt in 7-10 years, depending on which vehicle I look at replacing. Those are real numbers, not some of the crap I sse floating around the 'net. No tune ups, just brakes and tires and electricity, which cost me $0.08 cents per kWh. If I sold everything to have just one vehicle, something like the Volt starts to make more sense. I can't lease, because I drive too many miles each year, so I'd need to buy. Cash would make the most sense, but that amount is hard to find laying around. Even if I had the cash, I'd probably be better off investing it wisely, rather than putting it in a car. No vehicle is an investment, not one. Public transportation isn't an option for me due to distance and time. A car like the Volt simply means less of my moony going down the toilet each month.
It's still a lot of coin to justify; I'm not wealthy, but something about not having to pay $370 (at the moment)a month for fuel (household) is very appealing. Those costs are rising each month. GM may have idled the Volt plant due to excess inventory now, but they won't be able to keep them in stock when the gas price hits $5.
Most owners are happy with the Volt. Many say that GM made a mistake marketing it as a Chevy, that it really fits the market segment of Cadillac, Lexus or Infinity better. I just think (after reading this thread) that it's sad that so many, on a site which should champion EV's, should be bashing a very promising car. At the very least, like the Prius before it, the Volt is a step in the right direction. Oh yeah, just to put my cards on the table, I'm a political conservative (I DIDN'T say Republican), I don't care for bail-outs and I have no love for the UAW. I just simply think that good stewardship of our resources makes sense and I HATE sending billions overseas each year for foreign oil, especially from countries that hate us.
Regardless, I think this is the future; YMMV.
I've done a LOT of research on the Volt and of the major "electrics" available right now, it looks to be the best due to reduced range-anxiety. Because its gas engine runs a generator that supplies the traction motors, it's not a hybrid in the sense we're used to, though many here will disagree.
Yes it's expensive. New tech always is. Geez people, at least they have newer battery tech instead of NiMH. As for the fire(s), that was one fire where the battery was punctured in a roll-over test and coolant leaked and fried the circuit board (after sitting for 3 weeks), resulting in a short and a fire. There have been (as far as I can find) NO spontaneous fires in consumer vehicles.
I have a 60 mile RT commute, 1/3 is city streets and 2/3 freeway, but nevertheless my average speed is really only 40-45 MPH due to traffic, side street speed limits and stop and go. This would be perfect for an electric car. The Leaf *barely* has the range (73 miles, ideal conditions) necessary to do JUST my commute and some short errands. NO extended trips possible. The Plug-in Prius will only do 11 miles pure electric, and even so under some conditions the engine cuts in, plus the engine cuts in for anything over 62 MPH or 11 miles. Prius DOES have the range, just not good for my hoped-for all-electric commute.
If I ride a bike, walk, bus, motorcycle or drive an electric vehicle, I get a $75 alternative transportation incentive per month from my company. $900 per year. The Prius doesn't qualify for this, not even the Plug-in Prius, as it would be operating on the engine most of my commute. A Zero would qualify, but this is Seattle, and I can't ride a motorcycle year-round. I've an R1100GS that gets 35 MPG sitting in the garage since November because of terrible weather this winter.
The miles I drive make the Volt appealing because in my Mazda '89 B2200 I get 24.5 MPG. That's $2664 per year at $4 per gallon, $3330 per year at $5, 20K miles per year. My motorcycle or '05 Passat TDI both get 35 MPG, so they fare better. Diesel will very soon hit $5 per gallon in our area. Nevertheless, with alternative transportation allowance and fuel savings I could offset the cost of the Volt in 7-10 years, depending on which vehicle I look at replacing. Those are real numbers, not some of the crap I sse floating around the 'net. No tune ups, just brakes and tires and electricity, which cost me $0.08 cents per kWh. If I sold everything to have just one vehicle, something like the Volt starts to make more sense. I can't lease, because I drive too many miles each year, so I'd need to buy. Cash would make the most sense, but that amount is hard to find laying around. Even if I had the cash, I'd probably be better off investing it wisely, rather than putting it in a car. No vehicle is an investment, not one. Public transportation isn't an option for me due to distance and time. A car like the Volt simply means less of my moony going down the toilet each month.
It's still a lot of coin to justify; I'm not wealthy, but something about not having to pay $370 (at the moment)a month for fuel (household) is very appealing. Those costs are rising each month. GM may have idled the Volt plant due to excess inventory now, but they won't be able to keep them in stock when the gas price hits $5.
Most owners are happy with the Volt. Many say that GM made a mistake marketing it as a Chevy, that it really fits the market segment of Cadillac, Lexus or Infinity better. I just think (after reading this thread) that it's sad that so many, on a site which should champion EV's, should be bashing a very promising car. At the very least, like the Prius before it, the Volt is a step in the right direction. Oh yeah, just to put my cards on the table, I'm a political conservative (I DIDN'T say Republican), I don't care for bail-outs and I have no love for the UAW. I just simply think that good stewardship of our resources makes sense and I HATE sending billions overseas each year for foreign oil, especially from countries that hate us.
Regardless, I think this is the future; YMMV.
Ykick
1 GW
Tony - 'guy I know is very happy with his Volt. It's working really well for him and his 35-40 mile one way commute.
Is it the best it could've been? Certainly not, but we all had to crawl before we could walk and for many working people this could be the bridge to viable alternative transportation.
One thing about your monthly fuel bill - you will buy more electricity but that seems to work out between 10-20% of petroleum costs. And, electricity is produced here at home, not from some culture who would rather see us dead.
Is it the best it could've been? Certainly not, but we all had to crawl before we could walk and for many working people this could be the bridge to viable alternative transportation.
One thing about your monthly fuel bill - you will buy more electricity but that seems to work out between 10-20% of petroleum costs. And, electricity is produced here at home, not from some culture who would rather see us dead.
o00scorpion00o
100 kW
Well here is some news for you U.S folk!
The volt or Opel Ampera as it's called in europe is selling far better than expected and could be a very successful car here.
It's sold on the mainland, it's not available in Ireland yet!
http://media.gm.com/media/ie/en/opel/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/ie/en/2012/opel/03_05_opel_ampera_orders
I reckon it's to do with the unbelievable fuel prices here in Europe. It would cost the same as an Audi A4 Diesel, but with far less running costs in e.v mode.
Good news for Michigan jobs eah ?
The volt or Opel Ampera as it's called in europe is selling far better than expected and could be a very successful car here.
It's sold on the mainland, it's not available in Ireland yet!
http://media.gm.com/media/ie/en/opel/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/ie/en/2012/opel/03_05_opel_ampera_orders
I reckon it's to do with the unbelievable fuel prices here in Europe. It would cost the same as an Audi A4 Diesel, but with far less running costs in e.v mode.
Good news for Michigan jobs eah ?
TonyReynolds
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Please note that local governments are bending over backwards to figure out ways to recoup fuel-tax dollars lost to EV's, at least here in Washington State, where the state government is considering legislation to tax EV's on miles driven, since they use little or no fuel. I believe they've already done this in Oregon. There's even been talk of a vehicle-onstalled black box to track mileage...
Politicians will figure out any way they can to sneak dollars out of our wallets.
Politicians will figure out any way they can to sneak dollars out of our wallets.
TonyReynolds
1 kW
Ykick said:
Amen to that. Most of our electricity here in the Pacific North Wet is hydro, followed by nuclear and wind. Almost no coal. Still, U.S. resources...
TonyReynolds
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o00scorpion00o said:
Europeans get taxed on displacement, correct? So what would be the tax advantages (if any) of the Volt/Ampera over an A4? The Ampera has a 1.4 litre power plant for generating electricity. Do they see that as an engine or a generator?
Hillhater
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TonyReynolds said:
Its a "grey" area currently. .. but you can bet that if the Taxation authorities see an opportunity to cream a few more dollars from this new breed of motorised transport, they will draft tax legislation to suit themselves. !
TonyReynolds said:
They are taxed on CO2 emission levels in Ireland. I assume other EU countries have adopted similar. So whether it is an engine or a generator is moot.
http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesbasedonCO2Emissions/
USAEBIKECO
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I don't see why they couldn't remake the ev1 with a lithium battery. Then to keep costs low keep it simple with options and only have 2 seats.
Dauntless
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Because the EV1 was not a road legal vehicle. The Government looked the other way as long as it was a beta test, but before it could go to market it would need bigger bumpers, air bags, frame and side stiffening, etc. Oops, getting heavier, need a bigger motor, so goes the batteries, too. Dang, heavier still, MORE frame stiffening. And more batteries, but where will we PUT them?
And where indeed would it have ended? Basically the Volt IS the EV2. It was born from what they learned from their failure with the EV1. They could build a marketable version of the EV1, or they could build the Volt. The better car one, the Volt can do everything the EV1 could do, AND MORE. I just can't get over people STILL talking about the EV1.
Next comes the demands for Ford to bring back the Model T.
And where indeed would it have ended? Basically the Volt IS the EV2. It was born from what they learned from their failure with the EV1. They could build a marketable version of the EV1, or they could build the Volt. The better car one, the Volt can do everything the EV1 could do, AND MORE. I just can't get over people STILL talking about the EV1.
Next comes the demands for Ford to bring back the Model T.
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