Connect new Ping battery to controller.

Lori

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I received my new Ping 48v20AH battery which has 6 gauge wire to my 40A controller which has I believe 14 gauge wire using Anderson 30 A connectors. The connectors burned up within a block twice. How do I connect the 6 gauge wire to the 14?
Thanks Carl's Bad Carl for Lori
 
Lori -

I'm not sure what you mean. I gather that the contacts inside the anderson connectors burned up, but why/how? Was it when you first plugged it in, or did you go for a ride and they burned up?

If they burn up when you plug them in, the polarity is probably incorrect.

If they burned up when you ride, they are probably not getting a good connection. Resistance + power = heat!

Posts pics if you can!

Are you in carlsbad california? My grand ma is from there :)
 
something is not right for sure. I pull 40 amps of 110v all the time through 45 amp andersons on 12 guage wire. No problems, the wire gets mildly warm.

45 amp contacts should help. Are they crimped properly? Or are you using a pair of fencing pliers?

Meanwhile, you can ride while you wait for new contacts by using some wire nuts temporarily.
 
Thanks for the response. I used the $54 crimper made for Anderson connectors, but maybe I technique wasn't perfect. I went to Home Depot last night & go a 2 screw metal connector that will take anything from 6 to 14 gauge. I worked great today. I rode 10 miles on dirt trails. Had a great time. I plan to order 45 A Anderson connectors.

I was surprised that near the end of my ride the system shut down(?BMS?) & the Cycle Analyst went dark. I thought maybe one of my connections had come loose, but when I checked they were ok. After charging the battery for a short period of time the system was up & the 9C motor came on. The battery is 20 AH 48V. I do ride pretty hard with a heavy throttle sort of re-living my dirt bike motorcycle days in the 70's so maybe I just discharged the battery.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.
And yes we love Carlsbad, CA.
Carlsbad Carl for Lori.
 
Glad you got it to work -

I've gotten rid of all the andersons on my bike because of the high prices as well as issues like you've had. Bullet connects from hobbyking or ebay are much cheaper, more reliable, and capable of LARGE currents. Course, they take a bit of soldering to use.

Just out of curiosity - did the cycle analyst say you discharged 20ah when the battery went dead?

Dogman and I both have a 48v20ah ping, and I've personally never drained it completely. Then, I'm pretty conservative with mine, and try to keep it less than 25 or 30 amps. I get 25-30 miles range on the road like that.

My grandma bircham lives on top of the hill in a big house overlooking carlsbad and the ocean - very pretty place - small world :)
 
Sounds to me like you are riding it pretty hard. Any break in period on that batt? You sure won't get the full 20 ah out of the first cycle.
Leave it charging till all the lights on the bms come on, of course. With a 40 amp controller, and if you are riding hard in dirt, it won't take that long to discharge that thing.
 
like the dogman said, if you drove it to shutoff on the first cycle it may already be toast so you won't have to fix the andersons.

before you charge it you should read all the voltages on the pouches to see if one is already ruined, otherwise you can never get it to work right again.
 
Thanks guys. The CA said less than 4AH when it stopped. I was totally shocked I was planning additional 10 miles, thankfully it died not to far from the truck. I didn't know that I needed to break in the battery. I checked all the cells(I guess they are not really cells) on top of the battery and they all were at 3.3 V so I guess I didn't destroy the $750 battery. I will back off a little on the throttle. A question I am wondering about:
Is there a way the C9 motor will climb steep hills in the dirt without a lot of peddling? So far I haven't been able to do it even with the new battery which definitely delivers more power. Any other suggestions for avoiding abusing my new battery. By the way I don't think I ever get above 20Amps according to the CA when I am riding with either of my batteries.
 
Lori said:
Thanks guys. The CA said less than 4AH when it stopped. I was totally shocked I was planning additional 10 miles, thankfully it died not to far from the truck. I didn't know that I needed to break in the battery. I checked all the cells(I guess they are not really cells) on top of the battery and they all were at 3.3 V so I guess I didn't destroy the $750 battery. I will back off a little on the throttle. A question I am wondering about:
Is there a way the C9 motor will climb steep hills in the dirt without a lot of peddling? So far I haven't been able to do it even with the new battery which definitely delivers more power. Any other suggestions for avoiding abusing my new battery. By the way I don't think I ever get above 20Amps according to the CA when I am riding with either of my batteries.

When you use the throttle, are you feathering it or flooring it?

Even if you're not seeing more than 20A draw, it can still exceed that for short bursts quicker than you think especially climbing hills, also what winding is your motor?

For serious climbing, I believe Dogman recommends a 6 X 10, if you have a much faster winding, (9 X 7, 10 X 6) then it's going to burn a lot of amps just into heat and cook the motor if you're not careful.
 
Sounds like you are on the same search I've been on for a few years. Unfortunately, really motorcycle like performance on an ebike is pretty hard to get, and then tends to melt your stuff. Put 3000+ watts into these motors and they do perform, but it takes high discharge rate batteries and a lot of motor temp monitoring. If you don't stop in time, pffft. I've had two motors that really did it, and fried both on fairly short rides, by climbing too steep a hill.

A 9 continent 6x10- 2810 winding motor is a not a bad climber at 48v 25 amps. Push it harder and it really gets nice, but I really really melted mine when I put 72v 40 amps to it, AND rode it hard up steep hills. The slow winding motors make less heat when turning slow, like grinding up hills. A 2807 9c motor should never be ridden at full throttle less than 15 mph up hills. Below that speed, your power makes heat instead of motion and you get really hot motors. I found the 6x10 on 1000 watts did climb steep trails, but still needed me to pedal on the stuff above 10% grade. On more moderate trails, it was a joy to ride trials style, going 15 mph on tricky sharp turning trails. But it just couldn't do the motorcycle and ATV trails. Only 1.25 hp after all. When I put 5 hp into it, then the smoke came out.

Break in the ping, by doing some very short rides followed by very long charges. Leave it on the charger overnight kind of stuff.

Then start saving up, because that ping is never going to last running a 40 amp controller. But it might last long enough to melt your motor pulling 2000 watts up steep hills.
 
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