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Display for 96V Sabvoton controller

Simonas0

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Hello everyone,
I'm buying parts for my fast bicycle build, decided to go with Sabvoton SVMC96100 controller.
Are there any displays which support both 96V Sabvotons and cruise control? I could only find either displays for lower voltages or displays without buttons (which means no cruise control, just monitoring).
 
Yes, the Cycle Analyst from http://ebikes.ca

Cruise is engaged by holding throttle within a user-settable voltage range for a user-settable amount of time, then let go of throttle. (throttle must be wired to the CA rather than controller, then CA's throttle out goes to controller)

It is disengaged by moving the throttle again or engaging an ebrake lever or other switch wired to the ebrake input of the CA.
 
Ughhh, the fact that it is both display and controller in one makes it kind of expensive + shipping and import tax to EU...

Maybe anyone tried the SW-LCD or SW900 display with 96V controller and can confirm that it does (or doesn't) work? According to documentation display supports 24/36/48V, but I've seen 72V kits with those displays, so you can never be sure when buying chinese.
 
Simonas0 said:
Ughhh, the fact that it is both display and controller in one makes it kind of expensive + shipping and import tax to EU...
The CA is not a controller. (not a motor controller, anyway)

It *is* a computer, that can do various things with various input signals to do what you want it to do with the throttle output, beyond just cruise control.

They are sold by other places than just the manufacturer; I'm sure there's a place that sells them in the EU if you look around.



Maybe anyone tried the SW-LCD or SW900 display with 96V controller and can confirm that it does (or doesn't) work?

AFAIK, those will not work with any controllers other than the "bafang" (made by LS / Li Shui / lishui, IIRC), the ones they're designed for.

The only displays that work with the Sabvotons are the ones made specifically to work iwth them. If they themselves don't make one that works with the controller you want to use, there isn't an option.

Each display is made for / by a specific controller manufacturer / brand, and the communications protocol / data format /etc is different for each one. :( So they only work with the ones they're made specifically for. Sometiems that's a whole line of controllers / displays that are intercompatible, sometimes it's just one model, but its always within the "brand". :/
 
Simonas0 said:
Hello everyone,
I'm buying parts for my fast bicycle build, decided to go with Sabvoton SVMC96100 controller.
Are there any displays which support both 96V Sabvotons and cruise control? I could only find either displays for lower voltages or displays without buttons (which means no cruise control, just monitoring).
I'm also after such a thing, for the same reason.

There's some misinformation in this thread, particularly the post above mine, it's very dismissive and unnecessarily so.

Firstly, yes the SW900 works with various controllers - is a generic 5-pin display that works with most controllers, I've ran it with Halomotor, Risunmotor and voilamart controllers. All you have to watch for is that some are now using the round waterproof plugs, but this is nothing a soldering iron can't sort out.

I don't really want to put 96v into it because I've been told its maximum is 72v. I also have a KT-LCD3 and I know that's for 48v max.

Secondly, yes there is a computer for the Sabvoton, made by a third party - the afore-mentioned Cycle Analyst. It's expensive because it's good. Postage to the EU is expensive because the EU has made trade with nonEU countries expensive for it's members. Here in Britain we're cutting ourselves out of this situation but trade deals with the rest of the world, including the U.S, are still out of sight whilst we negotiate our exit.

For me, I'm prepared to bite the bullet and pay the taxes, as it appears to be the best computer out there. But first, I'd like to try and find an alternative that will work. Preferably something that looks a little more like an actual bike display, instead of a universal industrial machine displayer...
 
MikeyMK said:
Firstly, yes the SW900 works with various controllers - is a generic 5-pin display that works with most controllers, I've ran it with Halomotor, Risunmotor and voilamart controllers.
That just means those particular controllers used the same protocol and data format as that display.

If you read around you will find that many people have tried various displays on differnet controllers, and some of them will work in a limited way, some not at all (other than turning on), and some work just fine, because there aren't "standards" for these things. If you don't believe it, look up posts and threads about displays, LCDs, "TFT"s, etc., and you'll find various examples of this problem (as well as examples where it did happen to work).

One quick example: I have three small LiShui controllers, using Kingmeter dipslays that look identical, but they aren't interchangeable, even though they are the same brands! They all turn on with the display, but they dont' display the same data, and dont' have the same settings available, and when swapped one of them won't display any data, even the battery meter doesn't work (says full then drops to empty). No error codes...just not compatible.

So, it depends on what each manufacturer (and even seller, if they have tools to configure anything) has setup each one to do, and whether they have compatible communication protocols, and whether they use the same data formats within that protocol.

The ASI controllers have five different protocols built in so taht they can use several different types of display...but I don't know of any other controllers that do, though some of the Open Source Firmware projects have compatible firmware for more than one kind of display (there are also OSFWs for some of the displays).


So in general it is safer to simply advise people that don't already have experience with this to get only the specific display that is sold with or for their controller, so they don't waste money and time on displays that don't do what they want htem to do (if they work at all), and so I don't have to write pages and pages of explanations of why this may work and that may not every time, espeically since most people won't read it anyway.



Secondly, yes there is a computer for the Sabvoton, made by a third party - the afore-mentioned Cycle Analyst.

It is not the same kind of thing as stuff like the KT LCD or SW900. It's not a display for a controller. It can't display anything from the controller, or change any settings in the controller. as it doesnt' receive or transmit anything to the controller. If you're not aware of exactly what it does and how it works, you may wish to read the info page about it here:
https://www.ebikes.ca/product-info/cycle-analyst-3.html
along with the manuals on that page.

It is a separate signal and information processor, as described in my post, and it can do things that many (probably most) of the controller displays cannot. But it cannot do what those displays do in communicating with the controller, either, so if you need to access controller settings or see controller-generated data via a display while riding, you can't do it with the Cycle Analyst.

If you *have* made it do for any controller what one of those compatible with that controller could do, and established serial communications with a controller to the CA, I'd be interested to know exactly what software changes you've written for it. There are probably a lot of other people that would like the modifications, too, so they could ditch the controller-specific display they presently have to use in addition to the CA for the stuff the CA can't do for their specific controller settings.
 
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