Disposable High Density batteries for Long Trips?

Blueshift

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Is there a Disposable High Density battery that can be used for occasional long trips?
I say this because I am wondering if there are payoffs for using disposable, I.e. energy densities? It would also be neat to make your own disposable batteries for long range. I have heard of air batteries and also batteries composed of graphene and paper. Perhaps this is just a fantasy.
 
Sure.

It would be extremely costly for a range extended single-use bicycle battery. However, primary cells tend to be capable of much higher energy densities as compared to the rechargeable secondary type.

If you could make a gigantic Zinc-Air, or Lithium-Air battery, it would be capable of running a bike a long distance. Only issue is it would be incredibly expensive. If you REALLY need energy density and can handle the operating costs, non-rechargeable primary cells are the way to go.
 
For my longer rides, I found two pingbatteries a pretty practical solution. About 30 pounds, which is about the limit for my bikes panniers to carry without excess frame flexing. Close to 45 pounds total cargo, including the tools, water, a bite of food, etc. 50 if you carry chargers.

At a 20 mph traveling speed, 60 miles is for sure, but even slower riding could stretch it to closer to 80 miles. By then my butt is done anyway, after 4-5 hours in the saddle.

Even out here in the west, it's really rare to see more than about 60 miles between places a charge could be begged or bought.

Pings 5 amp charger will put 90% back into a 48v 15 ah in about 3 hours. So a long lunch somewhere easily puts you into 100mile range territory. Ride 25 mph for2.5 hours, charge 3 hours, ride some more. That would require a plug at about the 50 mile mark of course. If you butt is that leathery, I suppose a third session could be done.

Right away people are going to start howling about you could charge lipo faster. But in fact, two 5 amp chargers running at once is going to just about max out any plug on the side of a quick mart, that's also running an ice machine.

10 amps of 48v is not charging that slow.

Nothing wrong with going lipo, for the lighter weight and the smaller size. But you won't find plugs out there in the wild that are going to pull a 2000w charger. Chances are, 500w is going to be about your limit for a plug out on the road anyway.
 
Poor 110v people really are limited in power output capability.

Here in the UK a standard 13amp plug socket should be able to provide 2990 watts of power.

In fact looking into it a ring main in the uk is Fused at 32 amps which means if you were sneaky and made a special plug with super thick cable and fused it acordingly you could pull upto 7360 watts of power.

Funilly though my charger is 200w max output lol.
 
Blueshift said:
Is there a Disposable High Density battery that can be used for occasional long trips?
I say this because I am wondering if there are payoffs for using disposable, I.e. energy densities? It would also be neat to make your own disposable batteries for long range. I have heard of air batteries and also batteries composed of graphene and paper. Perhaps this is just a fantasy.


You can do it in about 1/3rd the weight if you're go disposable. The technology is available now.
 
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