Does anyone have a .dxf file of a clamping torque arm they'd be willing to share?

MattZ

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It doesn't even have to be clamping, I'm thinking I can modify it. I assume I'd have to modify it to fit my bike and also incorporate a disc caliper mount.
I'm trying to build one from scratch but I've never used Librecad before, or any CAD application, and it's a real challenge. I figure I'd make better progress if I had a 'sample' to use as a starting point.
 
Can you post an image or drawing with your dimensions? Should only take a few minutes and I'm doing CAD at the mo. Also, maybe try out other CAD software, as many as you can get your hands on. I always use LibreCad (and QCad before it), it just clicked with me but it doesn't for everyone. There's quite a lot of difference in how things are done between different CAD software and you may find one of those ways works better for you, for example I hate working with FreeCAD but others swear by it.

Maybe have a look at TinkerCAD, I've never tried it but it seems very popular at the mo, as does Fusion 360 and if you have a look at APLs axial flux motor build thread you'll find a discussion on there about various others, I can't remember which worked out well but it would certainly be worth a look (long thread though, iirc that discussion was a little over a year ago).
 
Thanks stan, that's very kind of you. A few minutes? Holy cow that's amazing. I've probably got over 24 hours into this but I'm getting close, should have it done today. I'm using Librecad, didn't want to get into any added 3D complications.
What's throwing me for a loop now is scaling. I traced the dropout on a 3X5 card, scanned it at 600 DPI, imported it into Librecad, and traced it there. In order to get it to print at the actual size I have to print it at a 1:625 scale. 1:600 was a bit too big for some reason.
So the question I have now is whether or not the saved DXF file is the actual size of the torque arm. If I send this file off to a water jet cutter, am I going to end up with the world's largest torque arm?
 
Let us know how you get along. Later this year i'm wanting to build a pair of clamping torque arms/plates. I play around with blender but not sure if it can export the right files.
 
Possibly but what matters is units. Doesn't make much difference if they're mm, meters, inches or miles, so long as the drawing is done in a know unit it's easy to convert to the correct scale. You may be able to do an accurate drawing from an image but personally I wouldn't even attempt it, too many things like fisheye on the lens and not being perfectly square that could effect it. An image in the background might sometimes help with positioning and clearance cuttouts but not good practice to use them for accurate dimensions.

A few things that may help with LibreCAD:
Snap to grid. It changes resolution as you zoom so it's as easy to place something to the cm as the micron.
Line types. Tangent, orthogonal, parallel through point and parallel at a distance save loads of time.
Modify: Move, rotate, mirror etc, makes repetitive drawing much easier.

Attaching a simple sketch with ordered layers for a torque-armish thing to show how my workflow typically goes:
0, centre lines, in this case the axle slot and lower tube in-line and upper tube at 45 degrees.
1, parallel lines at the distances required, a 16mm slot and 4 u-blots with 24mm centres to clamp onto the frame tubes.
2. hole centres along those lines, first a couple of orthogonal lines at the centre point and then 2 more on each at 40mm and 60mm for the u-bolts and one at 25mm for the rear of the axle slot.
3. holes, 8x 6.2mm (3.1 radius) for the u-bolts and one at 28 for the axle.
4. the slot can be drawn at this stage, just lines between points for the top and bottom and a curve with the centre, distance and start and finish points. Curves and angles are done anti-clockwise, counter-intuitive but you get used to it :/ Layers 0, 1 and 2 can be hidden or deleted at this stage, they've done everything they need to do.
5. Rough out for an outline at least 5mm away from everything, parallel at a distance will also do circles so just 2 lines 5mm away from the axle slot lines and the relevant u-bolt holes.
6. 2 point to point lines from the end of the slot to the lines just drawn at 5mm distance, 2 point to tangent lines from the end of those to the circles around the u-bolt holes, 4 tangent to tangent lines between the circles around the u-bolt holes and 5 centre/distance/start/end curves to join them up. It sometimes helps to select the lines before drawing the curves so their end points are highlighted, often causes errors when also using snap to grid and they can be a pain in the ass to find.
7. Layer 5 can now be hidden, the whole lot selected with a bounding box, the axle circle de-selected with a click and modify>move used to copy and paste the selection to another layer (with the "use current layer" tickbox checked). Usually I'd do all of that on just one layer and delete as I go but it's worth getting used to using layers as they come in very useful.

Hope that makes some sense, it gets much easier with practice and most of the 3d stuff I do uses 2d from librecad imported to openscad and extruded, some fairly complex models can be built up just using different layers extruded to different heights. An openscad file is included to demonstrate, they'll need to be in the same directory and the .txt extension deleted (can't attach .scad files).
 

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stan.distortion said:
Can you post an image or drawing with your dimensions? Should only take a few minutes and I'm doing CAD at the mo. Also, maybe try out other CAD software, as many as you can get your hands on. I always use LibreCad (and QCad before it), it just clicked with me but it doesn't for everyone. There's quite a lot of difference in how things are done between different CAD software and you may find one of those ways works better for you, for example I hate working with FreeCAD but others swear by it.

Maybe have a look at TinkerCAD, I've never tried it but it seems very popular at the mo, as does Fusion 360 and if you have a look at APLs axial flux motor build thread you'll find a discussion on there about various others, I can't remember which worked out well but it would certainly be worth a look (long thread though, iirc that discussion was a little over a year ago).

I just checked out TinkerCad from your suggestion and first impressions are great. I'm probably in a similar boat as OP in that I'm "CAD challenged". I'm done with e-bike related fabrication stuff (for now at least), but I'd love something for woodworking. I've tried Sketchup, OnShape, QCad, libreCad, recently downloaded Sweethome3d to mock up a kitchen remodel, and there's probably another 1 or 2 I'm forgetting. I wasn't impressed with either Qcad or Libre - it seems they use a similar software base, or at least UI, and I found them very clunky and unintuitive. Onshape was ok, I struggled with it but was still able to model a camper conversion for our suburban. It's not truly free so I was getting biweekly emails from their sales reps.

As for sketchup, I tried that a few times and have always abandoned it before getting anything usable. I have no doubt I could become proficient if I put in the time to learn it, but it's frustrating to be unable to make even basic shapes from the get-go.
 
I was in the same boat with 3d CAD for years, everything I tried felt like banging my head against a wall, just couldn't seem to make progress. OpenSCAD finally clicked when I took the time to get into it (very good online manuals) but I'd hesitate to recommend it, it's more like a programming language than a CAD app but there are loads of different apps to try out and some will feel more intuitive than others, it's finding what works for you that matters most.
 
stan.distortion said:
Possibly but what matters is units. Doesn't make much difference if they're mm, meters, inches or miles, so long as the drawing is done in a know unit it's easy to convert to the correct scale. You may be able to do an accurate drawing from an image but personally I wouldn't even attempt it, too many things like fisheye on the lens and not being perfectly square that could effect it. An image in the background might sometimes help with positioning and clearance cuttouts but not good practice to use them for accurate dimensions.

I did get it done and sent it off to a local water jet place for a quote. Hopefully they'll come back with a reasonable price so this exercise won't be a waste of time aside from experience gained.
I found the units and scale of the drawing did matter considerably, but probably because of how I went about it. I didn't take a pic of the dropout, I removed the wheel and traced it with pencil and paper to avoid parallax, fisheye, etc. I then scanned the tracing, then imported and traced the scan in Librecad. Where units and scale come into play is adding a disc brake mount where one didn't exist. I had polar coordinates from the center of the end radius of the axle slot for the mounting holes. When measuring distances and looking at circle radii, the numbers seemed crazy and there are no units listed next to the number. Someone on the Librecad user forum told me that scale doesn't matter and since I made my scan at 600 DPI, the unit shown on measurements is actually dots. Since I had some measurements in inches, and some in mm, that meant convert mm to inches, then inches to 'dots'. That complicated matters considerably. Then add the convoluted print scaling process to that mix... I probably printed it 15 times, cut it out with an exacto knife, tested the fit, then made adjustments, print again, cut again, rinse and repeat till it fits.
When it was done and I added dimensions it turned out the distance between the disk mount holes was 104 feet! That's when the light bulb lit up. If the guy on the Librecad forum had just answered my question and told me how to ensure the drawing was at a 1:1 scale it would have saved so much time and trouble.
Anyway here's the final version. If anyone needs a clamping torque arm for a BCA SC29 mtb they're converting to an ebike this could come in handy.
View attachment Final Torque Arm.dxf
 
ZeroEm said:
Remember the World uses mm (Metric). The inch thing is USA. We were supposed to convert to metric 40yrs ago, I think they are dragging there feet.

I've never had to do as much converting back and forth between metric and imperial as when dealing with bikes. In building 2 bikes I ended up with a spreadsheet for each one listing every measurement both ways.
In that LibreCAD program you just set your preference to either metric or imperial and that's how it gets displayed, although that wouldn't change text I added.
I doubt we'll ever change over.
 
I had, having the same issue. You're not alone. I try to just convert everything but now you will see me switch back and forth, depending on who i'm talking to. I worked on car's most of my younger life and watched everything move to mm away from inches. Mostly because we don't make much here in the USA and everyone else uses metric.
 
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