e-bikes are still "illegal motor vehicles" in Hawaii

RoadWrinkle

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Despite several instances I have heard of where Hawaii judges have dismissed the case for ticketed e-cyclers (some posted here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32982) e-bicycles are still defined as "illegal motor vehicles" under HRS 291 here in Hawaii, and HR 727 (Federally defined max) will only help you if you run<750w @ under 20mph.

The judge in a traffic court case has the discretion to make "fact findings", but not change statutory law. So when such cases are dismissed, it is based on a fact finding that a particular e-bike "is not a moped" as defined by HRS 291, as opposed to a legal finding that e-bikes are exempt from the law. In other words, these examples where cases have been dismissed have no broad implications for ALL Hawaii e-bikers. A traffic court judge cannot set case precedence or interpret the validity of a particular statute or law (like an appellant court can), they must follow the law, where the facts make the law applicable.

So, as a practical matter, it would appear that most Hawaii judges will lean in the direction of dismissal when an e-biker is ticketed, but that won't prevent Hawaii riders from getting pulled over and ticketed (or even having your "illegal" bike confiscated by the police, which they can do if they want to). Also, most riders that have had their tickets dismissed showed up to court with proof that their bikes did not exceed the Federal standards for maximum power.

This is a major-bummer, IMHO. Hawaii is trying to advertise their progressive thinking and action when it comes to alternative power sources like solar and wind, but they are on "local time" when it comes to changing their own laws in response to new technologies.
 
Also, I have heard of some cops giving warnings on Maui rather than tickets and mostly talking about the need to have a helmet.
 
Hopefully, as cops realize ticketing you is a total waste of their time, more and more will ignore ebikes. That can be good enough for those who don't ride hot rod bikes like hooligans.

It's a start. But on the other hand, if you have a cop that hates you, he'll use the law to harass you.
 
No doubt, and you make a good point about going overboard with speed on the public roads. Most Maui cops would love to look the other way, but in the last year or so riders with 2WD hub motors doing 40-50+ mph are becoming common, and the cops cannot ignore that. The police in Hawaii are generally very `reactive' as opposed to pro active. So all it will take is a fatality to get them to start actively enforcing the current laws against e-cycles here; multiple fatalities and they will probably start confiscating bikes they pull over....sad but this could happen.
 
el_walto said:
Seems some people are getting away with it.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32982


Actually, everyone that rides an e-bike on public roads in Hawaii is getting away with "something". I was actually referring to this very thread (you linked) in my OP. Also, I have talked to some of the fulltime ebike riders on Maui (ie. they own no other mode of transportation) and they have shared similar experiences; and a few with 2wd's that could not convince the judge to dismiss their case. Hawaii wants to be known for alternative energy sources so it is only a matter of time before they revise HRS 727 to something similar to the federal statute. I guess my point is that it could very easily get worse before it gets better if a person(s) dies on one of these 45 mph+ street bikes here.
 
Why should a judge dismiss a case if the rider is using an unlicensed homemade lightweight motorcycle?

Hopefully even the cops will have the sense not to ticket ebikes unable to go faster than 20 mph. Unless the rider is riding like a hooligan, in which case it doesn't matter if the bike has a motor or not.
 
There is funny case today here. Link is only finnish though, but still..

http://www.kouvolansanomat.fi/Online/2013/08/24/S%C3%A4hk%C3%B6py%C3%B6r%C3%A4+keskustan+vetonaulana/2013216181823/4

One of our top politicians (likely next PM), told today for journalist, that "I build my E-bike myself, it does over 50 km/h easily".
:mrgreen: :shock: :?
Nobody has reacted to that as far as i know. He took his self-built E-bike to the public meeting on market square today, and showed it to all folks who were interested.
"It does over 50 km/h easily"...
I think nobody will not care. Luckily. I feel bit sweaty though.
 
Could someone post a link to the text of "HRS 727"? I can't find it on the hawaii.gov site...
 
pjt56 said:
Could someone post a link to the text of "HRS 727"? I can't find it on the hawaii.gov site...


You want HRS section 291 for the Hawaii state equivalent to the federal law HR 727, My mistake for adding the "S". :oops: My point was that HR 727 is applicable in Hawaii (and all other states) See also 15 U.S.C. 2051 et seq for the Consumer Product Safety Act as follows:

LOW-SPEED ELECTRIC BICYCLES
SEC. 38. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, low-speed electric bicycles
are consumer products within the meaning of section 3(a)(1) and shall be subject to
the Commission regulations published at section 1500.18(a)(12) and part 1512 of
title 16, Code of Federal Regulations.
(b) For the purpose of this section, the term `low-speed electric bicycle' means a twoor
three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less
than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose maximum speed on a paved level surface, when
powered solely by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170
pounds, is less than 20 mph.
(c) To further protect the safety of consumers who ride low-speed electric bicycles,
the Commission may promulgate new or amended requirements applicable to such
vehicles as necessary and appropriate.
(d) This section shall supersede any State law or requirement with respect to lowspeed
electric bicycles to the extent that such State law or requirement is more
stringent than the Federal law or requirements referred to in subsection (a).


Note section "d", this is why quoting the Federal HR 727 in state court is effective...Hope that clears things up :lol:
 
pjt56 said:
Could someone post a link to the text of "HRS 727"? I can't find it on the hawaii.gov site...


BTW welcome to the Forum and your first post too! Are you from Texas by any chance? :wink:
 
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