E-S Phasor Electric Bike Owners

[Rix]

I have been told the new Cros have a 145mm wide spacing from axle face to axle face. Your 135mm will have to be widen about 10mm to fit. I don't think the canting angle on your swingarm dropouts will change enough to effect anything. May want to look into having Dpearce make you another swingarm. All that being said, I really like your Idea of going to the Cro. Maybe you and Ryan can swap swingarms, paint them both black, and go from there. Actually the blue on white and white on blue would look really neat I bet.

Rick

I have 150 swingarms....would it be posible to put 5 speed cassette with cromotor?...because it seems the smallest single speed freewheel is 14 and that would throw my whole schlumph set up off which is working with 11 rear now

Rod, have you and Ryan fitted the cromotor up to the Phasor yet? Looks like Korpins swingarm is narrower than Ryans by 10mm, that being the case, how much space is there left if you have?

 

[Rodney64]

Rod, have you and Ryan fitted the cromotor up to the Phasor yet? Looks like Korpins swingarm is narrower than Ryans by 10mm, that being the case, how much space is there left if you have?

No not yet. Rick yes Ryans swing arm is 160mm. When we put the motor on ill get some measurements.

I've been thinking of machining up some hardened steel plates. Even if I try one on chain side it'll improve the chain line but the wheel maybe too far off centre.


I spent another hour trying to get the lyen software installed. Idontwanttopedal I tried opening the software with the administrator as you suggested, managed to get 2 oks out of 4 so making some progress. AJ, Falco it will be the weekend before I'm ready to try to reprogram my controller. Not sure if ill be up to a test ride though.

I have 150 swingarms....would it be posible to put 5 speed cassette with cromotor?...because it seems the smallest single speed freewheel is 14 and that would throw my whole schlumph set up off which is working with 11 rear now

Korpin I hope to have motor back in a Week or so I've ordered extra gear and have been waiting for it to arrive at gloworm cycles so it can be sent all together.

 

[Deutch420]

Rod,
About a year ago I was having difficulty uploading tunes as well (out of no where). After multiple PM's back and forth with Lyne to diagnose the issue we were both stummped.
Long story short, I disassembled the USB port and sure enough one of the wires in the USB came lose. Soldered it back on and wallah! The controller took the tune the first try uploading. This probably isn't your issue, but worth a try.

 

[Rodney64]

Rod,
About a year ago I was having difficulty uploading tunes as well (out of no where). After multiple PM's back and forth with Lyne to diagnose the issue we were both stummped.
Long story short, I disassembled the USB port and sure enough one of the wires in the USB came lose. Soldered it back on and wallah! The controller took the tune the first try uploading. This probably isn't your issue, but worth a try.

Deutch420 I've managed to get the software running and it's runs when connected to the controller. But haven't managed to change it yet. Cannot get the transmit part working. So I'm making progress.

Before I run the bike ill need to remove the battery and give it a good check. When connecting the program cable I noticed a burnt phase wire at a joint.

My zombbies controller also seems to work with the program too but unable to get the transmit.

 

[Falco]

I spent another hour trying to get the lyen software installed. Idontwanttopedal I tried opening the software with the administrator as you suggested, managed to get 2 oks out of 4 so making some progress. AJ, Falco it will be the weekend before I'm ready to try to reprogram my controller. Not sure if ill be up to a test ride though.

You need to get all 4 of those thing to be ok for the software to work. I had my brother did it for me as i was busy fitting the controller to my bike for Perth electricana so im not sure what he did. Ill have to ask him. Took him 10mins to get it working though.

I Just stacked it today on the way to work. Actually pulling up to the underground parking at work. I Hit the regen doing 30km/h with one hand on the bars as i was getting my swipe card out and it stopped alot harder then i was expecting it to and through my self down as all my weight shifted forward through the bars and turned them hard right.. I feel the pain :lol:

 

[pendragon8000]

I spent another hour trying to get the lyen software installed. Idontwanttopedal I tried opening the software with the administrator as you suggested, managed to get 2 oks out of 4 so making some progress. AJ, Falco it will be the weekend before I'm ready to try to reprogram my controller. Not sure if ill be up to a test ride though.

You need to get all 4 of those thing to be ok for the software to work. I had my brother did it for me as i was busy fitting the controller to my bike for Perth electricana so im not sure what he did. Ill have to ask him. Took him 10mins to get it working though.

I Just stacked it today on the way to work. Actually pulling up to the underground parking at work. I Hit the regen doing 30km/h with one hand on the bars as i was getting my swipe card out and it stopped alot harder then i was expecting it to and through my self down as all my weight shifted forward through the bars and turned them hard right.. I feel the pain :lol:

Shit falcon, I hope your alright. Otb sux!

 

[Deutch420]

So i have a big issue. My bike is being assembled at the bike shop right now. He just called me and said the crank wont fit to the spindle. He sais the spindle is about 165mm long and it needs to be about 175mm long. He said the crank will hit the frame before it screws into the spindle bc the spindle is too short. Horray! has this happened to anyone else? No number to call Phasor, so i guess i will have to wait for a reply from him. Ugh, i hope there is a simple fix to this, as i really dont want to wait months for him to make me a new one..... ugh.

Any ideas?

EDIT: They are using a FSA Alpha drive crank if that makes a difference? Its a big shop, they do a lot of DH builds. I'de like to rule out incompetence (on their part) as a variable, but i suppose anything is possible...
Ideas?

EDIT #2: David already replied to my PMs (only took 5 mins) and is trying to help me diagnose the issue. Does customer support get any better?

 

[Rix]

So i have a big issue. My bike is being assembled at the bike shop right now. He just called me and said the crank wont fit to the spindle. He sais the spindle is about 165mm long and it needs to be about 175mm long. He said the crank will hit the frame before it screws into the spindle bc the spindle is too short. Horray! has this happened to anyone else? No number to call Phasor, so i guess i will have to wait for a reply from him. Ugh, i hope there is a simple fix to this, as i really dont want to wait months for him to make me a new one..... ugh.
Any ideas?
EDIT: They are using a FSA Alpha drive crank if that makes a difference? Its a big shop, they do a lot of DH builds. I'de like to rule out incompetence (on their part) as a variable, but i suppose anything is possible...
Ideas?
EDIT #2: David already replied to my PMs (only took 5 mins) and is trying to help me diagnose the issue. Does customer support get any better?

Looking at David's bike, looks like he has profile racing cranks and they make a spindle for the bottom bracket that is 6 7/8 long or about 174mm. Also profile racing cranks come with spacers that fin on the spindle the cranks can be pushed out further away from the frame and set off center for clearance if needed. I would ask your shop to look into the Profile Racing cranks with the 6 7/8 spindle bottom bracket. Korpin has a Schlumpf set up on his, but it was my understanding that the shop had to weld a tab on the frame for mounting.

Rick

 

[Rodney64]

I have managed to get my zombies controller to fit.

Vid with the broken camera lens.

[youtube]9JrAAqIz7l4[/youtube]

 

[Rodney64]

Hello everyone, today I wanted to do what I did last week. Ride with my son with both Phasors more that 750 meters.

It went well and we both enjoyed the rider even though I wasn't peddling. Previous vid.


I'm on a first aid course over the next 2 weeks so I'm not sure how ill go doing CPR on my knees. I will need to do the assessment on some type of table. Anyway its not new to me as I've been doing these assessments over the past 17 years.


I'm felling a lot better and I have the EV grin Back even though I only lost it for 1 week

 

[Rix]

Damn Rod, at 1:27, Ryan make the white lightening Phasor look small with 26"MTBs. Big kid. The voices in my head are saying he should start playing Rugby, I thinks its called "Australian Rules Football"? That's great that you and him are out riding and having fun. Got a few years, but I cant wait to do this with my son Jet. If you get a chance, pop on over to Hyena thread, he has another Yosemite Ride video with background music Bon Jovi wanted dead or alive. Not to much high speed stuff, mostly sight seeing of Yosemite. Glad you go Methods controller to fit inside the frame, you know that means, next step, cromo action. YAH!!! Glad you are on the mend. The EV Grin is an important quality of life issue. I know with out the EV grin, the days is usually downhill after waking. BTW, your 17 inch knobby looks tough and awesome from the rear view.

Rick

 

[Rodney64]

Rick, Yes checked out your Yosemite video and yes it's good. It looks a very nice park.

Guess what my cromotors in Perth. Would have it now but no one was home. So big plans on the weekend. May even try to see if it'll fit the blue Phasor dropouts tomorrow. Still sore in the chest and don't want to strain myself.
The blue Phasor currently has the 4o80 fitted with a 7 speed freewheel so I'm hoping the the crow will fit with a single speed freewheel.

 

[Hyena]

I hope your kid appreciates how cool his old man is for buying him a phasor
I look forward to riding with my kids when they're older, for now they're in my lap.

By the way, I know sometimes it's hard picking what song or sort of tune you should put to your ebike videos, but Kesha is never the answer

 

[Rodney64]

I hope your kid appreciates how cool his old man is for buying him a phasor
I look forward to riding with my kids when they're older, for now they're in my lap.

By the way, I know sometimes it's hard picking what song or sort of tune you should put to your ebike videos, but Kesha is never the answer

Haha, Pink next time, and they grow up quick. Yes he does. I'm looking forward to going south and riding some of the Kari forests together.

 

[Rodney64]

My cromotor arrived today actually yesterday but I picked it up today.

It's been laced into a 17 -1/4 inch pro racing rim generation 3. It's tough.

Glowworm cycled laced it for me and they've done an excellent job. Thanks Abraham.

Any way a couple of photos .

Clearance from the free wheel. No need for a washer on this side.

I had the tyre on but pinched tube. Had a quick guess of dropout width and its looking 140. This is what my 4080 is currently. Looks like its all go on my blue Phasor. Bring on the weekend.

 

[pendragon8000]

Thanks for the photos Rod. What are you thinking for a tyre on the 17" rim?
That one rick was talking about looks good. Very appealing for dual sport and only ~2kg.
Edit
Duro HF307 2.75x17 trials tire. Nice find Rick, hope you find a dealer.

 

[Rodney64]

Thanks for the photos Rod. What are you thinking for a tyre on the 17" rim?
That one rick was talking about looks good. Very appealing for dual sport and only ~2kg.
Edit
Duro HF307 2.75x17 trials tire. Nice find Rick, hope you find a dealer.

I have a couple of these tyres which I purchased over a month ago.

I purchased these 2 from the Honda shop and cost me $50 each. I looked online and most were at least $39 plus postage. I may even purchase some slicks for the summer when I ride to work.

Vee rubber 17/275. They come out of the Pirelli factory and Australia post use them so they must have some longevity.

Model: VRM-022

It's 6 ply and just weighed it and it 2.4 kilos. I'm not too worried about the weight if I get less punchers.

 

[Rix]

Rod, way nice motor and rim!!! Looks great. Got an email from Abraham and looks like the spoke issues with lacing MTB hubs to motorcycle rims will be a thing of the past with the new 12g nipples drilled and tapped for 13g spokes. Liking that a lot. Looking at the Vrubbers, the VRM022 and the VRM 206 would be super sweet dual purpose tires in either the 2.75-17 or 3.00-17. Not sure about your blue Phasor swingarm for the 3.00-17 since that size tire usually has a width of 3.2 to 3.4 inches wide or 81mm-85mm. The 2.75 tires usually are between 70mm and 76mm wide true measured width. I am surprised you guys cant get Shinko there. China is much closer to Australia then the US.

Pendragon, hopefully Duro gets back to me for that HF307 tire. If their site's data is true, its the lightest 4 ply I have found yet in this size.

Rick

 

[Scratch1973]

Hi Guys,
I have been pretty busy with work doing 6 days a week and 12 hours a day and have not really had much time to follow what has been going on here but in the time that has past I finally received my frame and got my wheels back from JRH ( which I couldn't be happier, they came out amazing. I went with a 19 inch up front and 17 in back with shinko 241 on both. I pretty much just started to fit the rear into the swing arm, which has not been an easy task. First let me say that I have a 160mm swing arm and with just the motor and no rotor and freewheel the wheel fits great with room to spare having to add a few washers to fill in the gaps but once I install the brake rotor it actually leans into the swing arm itself causing the whole wheel to shift off center a little bit and having no way to be able to mount the caliper. To try and fix this I had to stretch the frame quite a bit and finally got enough room to have clearance for the rotor and be able to mount the caliper and have everything look like it will work but the rotor is still pretty close to the swing arm and wheel is definitely not centered, I would say roughly about 1/4 of an inch. Im not really happy about it but I don't think it will cause any problems. Now for the freewheel side, I bought a white industries eno freewheel which looks like a very high quality freewheel but the threads do not run all the way thru making it so you can't screw it all the way on to the motor and the teeth of the freewheel are half away the the end of the swing arm where it meets the dropout and half under it. I have seen it this way on a few other builds but usually it is that way on like a 7 speed with only the smallest gear like an 11 tooth and I am running a 16 tooth. I tried putting a chain on the freewheel to check the clearance and it is definitely very close, not really sure what to do cause I really don't want to stretch the frame out on that side, can I just get a different freewheel that will screw on closer to the motor? Am I doing something wrong with the one I have now??

 

[Rix]

Scratch, I really like your wheel set up. The 19 up front is close to the 24MTB Rod has on his and he likes it. As far as stretching the swingarm, I wouldn't recommend doing too much of it. Even though Dave uses top quality chromoly for the frame, bending chromoly will cause fatigue and lead to unwanted flex. If you already knew that, I apologize. I haven't heard of anyone else having issues with the 160mm wide swingarm. Just the 135mm wide when trying to fit the 54xx. I think it was Deutch that talked about that but cant remember for sure. If you post a couple of close pics showing the fitment issue, can probably tell you what needs to be done to correct the problem. I really am anxious to see your build.

Rick

 

[Scratch1973]

Rix. I can't really upload any pics at this time, I access the forum from my phone cause my computer sucks , I will try to do that over the weekend. If you go to page 39 of this thread Dimpirate had I believe the same problem. From what I seen from his posts that he installed 3 washers on each side which spread the swing arm I believe 2mm on each side and still did not have the wheel installed all the way into the frame which I did not like at all. I spoke to David and he said stretching the swing arm should not b a problem but should be done slowly and in increments, it won't crack and you will be able to tell if you are going to far cause the side of the swing arm will dent. I don't believe I'm really stretched all that much, I can't get a measurement yet but at this point I don't think it matters, the swing arm looks pretty good just that the wheel is about 1/4 inch off center. I don't think there is too much I can do to get the motor to fit any better. Right now I'm more concerned with getting a freewheel to screw all the way on so it sits closer to the motor

 

[Rodney64]

Scratch, I really like your wheel set up. The 19 up front is close to the 24MTB Rod has on his and he likes it. As far as stretching the swingarm, I wouldn't recommend doing too much of it. Even though Dave uses top quality chromoly for the frame, bending chromoly will cause fatigue and lead to unwanted flex. If you already knew that, I apologize. I haven't heard of anyone else having issues with the 160mm wide swingarm. Just the 135mm wide when trying to fit the 54xx. I think it was Deutch that talked about that but cant remember for sure. If you post a couple of close pics showing the fitment issue, can probably tell you what needs to be done to correct the problem. I really am anxious to see your build.

Rick

Scratch which motor did you end up getting and what is your dropout width.

I'm having the same issues that dimpirate and yourself with clearance on the disc brake side.
It's looking like ill need 3 half washers on the disc brake side to give clearance for the phase and hall wire cables.

 

[Scratch1973]

I have the cromotor with 160mm dropouts. I probably have about what is equilavent to 4 or 5 washers. I made my own c type spacer so I could make the space and not have to worry about the wires getting crushed or pinched. I am pretty much satisfied with the spacers and having to stretch it out a bit, I guess still surprised that I would have to with the 160mm dropouts. Not crazy about the wheel being off center but I can live it for now and can always the the wheel later if need be. What freewheel are you guys using? I still need to find one that will screw all the way on so it sits close to the motor so the teeth clear the over hang of the swing arm

 

[Rix]

Good to know Scratch, David would know more than anyone else about spreading the swingarm and being safe for the frame. I am just a concerned pansy about bending steel. When you can post some pics would like to see whats going on.

Rick

 

[Scratch1973]

Rix
It will try this weekend. Do you know anything about freewheel's? The eno does not have threads all the way thru so I can't screw it on close to the motor, it stands off about a 1/4 inch which leave the teeth halfway under the swing arm