E-S Phasor Electric Bike Owners

[Sab3r Electrics]

Number one rule is that you can never have enough of torque.
You always want more

Is that Duro Razorbacks you mean? They are standard on Stealth - 24"

i thought the stealth bikes are on 26" now?? oh well my local bike shop didn't have a set of 24" in stock so i went for the 26" instead

 

[Rix]

Allex, give Sab3er Electrics some time, once he gets his build going, and things dialed, he will move towards more performance and torque options down the road. Its inevitable , whether achieved with different battery amp out controllers, or with mechanical advantage options such as a smaller wheel, or combo of the two, it will happen.

Rick

 

[Allex]

Rix, might as well get the best stuff from the start, will be cheaper that way
Sab3r, nah, Stealth uses 24" they would never go with 26"
http://www.jensonusa.com/Duro-Razorback-DH-24-Tire

 

[efMX Trials Electric Freeride]

26 has better rollover offroad than 24..
moto is best for tire wear & durability
everything is a tradeoff, personal preference & availability..

 

[Allex]

If anybody needs a new motor, here is, what looks like a Cromotor:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=57652

 

[Rix]

Rix, might as well get the best stuff from the start, will be cheaper that way
Sab3r, nah, Stealth uses 24" they would never go with 26"
http://www.jensonusa.com/Duro-Razorback-DH-24-Tire

You are telling me, I have well over 3000 bucks in motors and different size wheels and tires on my bomber.

efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:35 am

26 has better rollover offroad than 24..
moto is best for tire wear & durability
everything is a tradeoff, personal preference & availability..

Very true about rolling, personal preference.

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

Rix, might as well get the best stuff from the start, will be cheaper that way
Sab3r, nah, Stealth uses 24" they would never go with 26"
http://www.jensonusa.com/Duro-Razorback-DH-24-Tire

At the end of the day the build never finishs their is always improvements to be made and I'm sure I'll find them as I like the thrill but for now I have to get it built Ahaha. The frame has a delivery time of 8-10 weeks so that gives me plenty of time to make changes as I please.

 

[Rix]

Rix, might as well get the best stuff from the start, will be cheaper that way
Sab3r, nah, Stealth uses 24" they would never go with 26"
http://www.jensonusa.com/Duro-Razorback-DH-24-Tire

At the end of the day the build never finishs their is always improvements to be made and I'm sure I'll find them as I like the thrill but for now I have to get it built Ahaha. The frame has a delivery time of 8-10 weeks so that gives me plenty of time to make changes as I please.

This is true.

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

Im going to start a build thread today so ill link to you guys once i have got it up
Trust me i will need you advice and help so make sure to check it out please.

Cheers

Daniel

 

[Rix]

Im going to start a build thread today so ill link to you guys once i have got it up
Trust me i will need you advice and help so make sure to check it out please.

Cheers

Daniel

I will follow your build, but this is a Phasor thread, it would be just as fitting to post progress here, like Rod and some of the others had back in the begining.

Rick

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

Im going to start a build thread today so ill link to you guys once i have got it up
Trust me i will need you advice and help so make sure to check it out please.

Cheers

Daniel

I will follow your build, but this is a Phasor thread, it would be just as fitting to post progress here, like Rod and some of the others had back in the begining.

Rick

Im going to do that as well i just thought it might intrude a bit thats all

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

Here is the link to my build thread but ill be sure to post upto date progress reports on this thread to

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=57659

Cheers

Daniel

 

[korpin]

Say hello to your newest member, very pleased to announce that i have just purchased a phasor frame today and im eagerly awaiting its arrival . I have decided to run a Crystalyte Crown motor with this frame what is everyones opinion on this decision?

a couple of points NOT from an expert:

1) although the crown body is very wide,the stator is NOT as wide as the body would make you believe....the stator (the inside part which would normally be the rotor on a non hub motor) is about as wide as a 4065 or 4080 crystalyte motor although it DOES have more copper (22 pounds versus 16 pounds) and thicker lead wires...

2)HPC had one or two crown motors they were playing with but started having problems at higher voltages not sure what the problems were they are selling their remaining crown motor on ebay they have decided instead to go with a 4065 wound specifically for 100+ volts for their new revolution bike they have told me

3)I have an older vented 4065 motor that was not designed for 100 + volts and have used from 50 to 119 volts on it and in the process burned up the heat sensor,a 90 volt battery pack,and 3 or 4 controllers BUT the motor still works good....the fastest I have gone was 53 mph on my 90 volt system that came fresh off the charger at 100 volts....my batteries are in parallel now until HPC gets a controller that can handle my voltage in series (118 hot off the charger) right now running at 58-59 hot off the charger top speed is 40 mph with pedaling but can cruise easily at 35 mph for many miles

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

Say hello to your newest member, very pleased to announce that i have just purchased a phasor frame today and im eagerly awaiting its arrival . I have decided to run a Crystalyte Crown motor with this frame what is everyones opinion on this decision?

a couple of points NOT from an expert:

1) although the crown body is very wide,the stator is NOT as wide as the body would make you believe....the stator (the inside part which would normally be the rotor on a non hub motor) is about as wide as a 4065 or 4080 crystalyte motor although it DOES have more copper (22 pounds versus 16 pounds) and thicker lead wires...

2)HPC had one or two crown motors they were playing with but started having problems at higher voltages not sure what the problems were they are selling their remaining crown motor on ebay they have decided instead to go with a 4065 wound specifically for 100+ volts for their new revolution bike they have told me

3)I have an older vented 4065 motor that was not designed for 100 + volts and have used from 50 to 119 volts on it and in the process burned up the heat sensor,a 90 volt battery pack,and 3 or 4 controllers BUT the motor still works good....the fastest I have gone was 53 mph on my 90 volt system that came fresh off the charger at 100 volts....my batteries are in parallel now until HPC gets a controller that can handle my voltage in series (118 hot off the charger) right now running at 58-59 hot off the charger top speed is 40 mph with pedaling but can cruise easily at 35 mph for many miles

I see and thank you for your help i need to know this stuff for when i start building. Should i start looking into say a cromotor or something of the sorts for this build?

I just want to save myself the hassle of burned out motors and controllers thats all

 

[Allex]

I would def. go with Cro with a temperature sensor inside.
Then Adaptto Max-E controller
If you start from scratch, might a swell make this an awesome build.

 

[Rix]

Saber E,
If performance is your main goal followed by durability, and lightweight isn't a concern, the cromotor is the best option, a very close second though would be the 5404 by Crystalyte, if you can get one. These motors can handle more current than anything else out there that a freewheel and MTB Disk Rotor can be bolted on too. But Hyena is having some great results with the TC 80. If keeping the unsuspended weight down, but still want a robust durable motor that can put out, the TCXX and H40XX would be fine with a quality controller and some mechanical sympathy.

 

[korpin]

I see and thank you for your help i need to know this stuff for when i start building. Should i start looking into say a cromotor or something of the sorts for this build?

I just want to save myself the hassle of burned out motors and controllers thats all

well I would think cromotor would be better from what little I know but its width can be a problem if you want a few climbing gears but that width of stator and magnets probably gives it so much torque so maybe you do not need more gears(unless u run out of juice or have a technical problem)the crystalyte 5000 series would give you tons of power but is a bit narrower so you can have more gears....if you want to keep the weight of the bike down the 4065 will do over 50 mph...its a tough motor in my experience.....

in reality,in day to day driving,you are rarely go over 35 on the trail unless you have a long straight stretch....but it is nice to be able to go at least 45 mph if you are on the pavement and have to get around an automobile without having to worry about cars backing up behind you...I think the stealth bomber got it right at 72 volts and 50 mph

I always thought that having higher voltage would mean less amps and therefore less heat to motor...with me this has not proven to be the case but I believe its because the HPC controllers I have used are not up to the task of the higher voltages

I think a vented 4065 with a non HPC controller and cycle analyst display and around 100-110 volts would give you good combination of power/speed/weight...the high speed 2.5 shlumph drive is nice too!...my bike weighs 98 pounds with 1.5 kwh of battery but 10 pounds of that is due to my motorcycle rims/tires/tubes (I am anal retentive about getting flats thanks to rix for helping me out with all the wheel technical stuff)) :lol:

 

[korpin]

off subject but great Russian frame design like the pivot point...hate to say it,but it looks like they did a better job placing the crankset

 

[Rix]

Dorian, I got my own frame and swingarm designe. Ironically the bottom bracket and pivot location on the Ruskies swingarm is identical to mine.

58-59 hot off the charger top speed is 40 mph with pedaling but can cruise easily at 35 mph for many miles
korpin1 kW

If you have a true 4065, you should not be able to go 35-40MPH on 52-58 Volts. Those are the speeds the 4065 would go on say about 80 volts, even 72 volts, the 4065 would be hard pressed to exceed 33MPH wether running 40 or 100 Ah.

Rick

 

[Kike Ming]

My bike after I got hit!

 

[Kike Ming]

Oops, That's not pictures of my crashed bike, that's a picture of my new (old) toy bikes, BMC V2 and V3, 48V 12a. At EbikesSF,com my buddies shop (ilia). Coming soon RELEVANT!! pictures of my new Phasor build, Crown Motor, DP #1 -100v! Also tried to post pics of my wrecked bike. Pretty awful anyhow. Keeps saying image too large. How can that be, when It's not even a video?

 

[korpin]

Dorian, I got my own frame and swingarm designe. Ironically the bottom bracket and pivot location on the Ruskies swingarm is identical to mine.

58-59 hot off the charger top speed is 40 mph with pedaling but can cruise easily at 35 mph for many miles
korpin1 kW

If you have a true 4065, you should not be able to go 35-40MPH on 52-58 Volts. Those are the speeds the 4065 would go on say about 80 volts, even 72 volts, the 4065 would be hard pressed to exceed 33MPH wether running 40 or 100 Ah.

Rick

well I have a 2.5 schlumph drive and clip in pedals so I can use my hamstrings to pedal and CAN hit 40-41 mph for short bursts....but 35 is easy I can cruise at that....maybe my display is wrong?..I have it set for 25 inch tires....you have any photos of your frame?....I think you should talk to the guys at HPC their prototype frame design is incorrect....just thought of something....I did a drive to a local pup and checked the mileage on mapquest against my display mileage it was the same...so 40 mph IS correct and double checked voltage 58 volts off the charger

 

[Rodney64]

Mike Ming compress the photo before uploading.


Sab3r i'd go with the crown if you want to pedal fast. With my cromotor I can only use a 16 tooth fsingle speed freewheel. With the Phasor frame the largest on the front is a 52 tooth. 60 tooth doesn't clear the swing arm.

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

Mike Ming compress the photo before uploading.


Sab3r i'd go with the crown if you want to pedal fast. With my cromotor I can only use a 16 tooth fsingle speed freewheel. With the Phasor frame the largest on the front is a 52 tooth. 60 tooth doesn't clear the swing arm.

So just to clarify im looking for performance so that i can cain it on the hills but also reliability for the cruze home

 

[Sab3r Electrics]

If i go with cromotor what motor do you guys recommend?