Allex
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This controller should be good for at least 65amps
Stealth bomber uses the same box.
Stealth bomber uses the same box.
E-S Phasor Electric Bike Owners
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Rix
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If korpin can't draw over 40ah, it maybe a 12FEt w/4115 fets. I say that for the kind of voltages being displayed on the ca.
Allex
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The body is very long, this size is for 18fets. So HPC prolly configured it wrong
Open up and count!
Open up and count!
Rix
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Allex said:
Yah, its long. Longer than the 12Fet Clyte from Ebikessf for sure.
looks like 18....first controller went out...they gave me replacement....on/off switch failed first time I turned it on stuck in open position have to take heavy duty switch from first controller (HPC replaced after it failed) and install on new controller 
LOOKS LIKE around 45 mph top speed at 30 amps(with pedaling)....probably can get close to 55 at 45 amps but wanna wait for my batteries to go through a few cycles before I do that :wink
well looks like THIS controller took a shit too at 20-25 mph on level ground with amps set at 30 any ideas as to whats wrong??????
LOOKS LIKE around 45 mph top speed at 30 amps(with pedaling)....probably can get close to 55 at 45 amps but wanna wait for my batteries to go through a few cycles before I do that :wink
well looks like THIS controller took a shit too at 20-25 mph on level ground with amps set at 30 any ideas as to whats wrong??????
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spoke help.
trying to figure out spokes so I can order spokes from holmes hobbies.
my front hub is a shimano saint centerlock hub. I've put in all the measurements that the online spoke calculators request but I'm short on a couple.
I was recommended 1 cross spokes for the motor lace, but what do I put in for the front hub? its asking for how many crosses gear side and non gear side?
other question is cromotor dimensions for calculating spokes? I'm waiting for a new batch of cromotors to arrive so I dont have it to measure it.
my wheel info
rims front and rear = prowheel 19"x1.4 36h
front hub =shimano saint 820 centerlock hub 36h
rear laced to a cromotor
any help would be greatly appreciated.
cheers
trying to figure out spokes so I can order spokes from holmes hobbies.
my front hub is a shimano saint centerlock hub. I've put in all the measurements that the online spoke calculators request but I'm short on a couple.
I was recommended 1 cross spokes for the motor lace, but what do I put in for the front hub? its asking for how many crosses gear side and non gear side?
other question is cromotor dimensions for calculating spokes? I'm waiting for a new batch of cromotors to arrive so I dont have it to measure it.
my wheel info
rims front and rear = prowheel 19"x1.4 36h
front hub =shimano saint 820 centerlock hub 36h
rear laced to a cromotor
any help would be greatly appreciated.
cheers
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wingsuit said:
rear wheel is likely recommending 1 cross due to large diameter hub motor would cause more extreme spoke angle w more crosses therefore not lining up w rim holes as easily if hub diameter was smaller as in non-motor hub.. not because 1 cross is great or stronger, etc..
front wheel, depending on bike + rider weight, radial (no cross), 1, 2, or 3 cross could be used..
more crosses will be stronger/stiffer but a bit heavier (on heavy ebike spoke weight is not very relevant imo).. front wheel should have same cross both sides as its not subjected to same torque loads as rear wheel..
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wingsuit said:
confusing..
prowheel 19" is a moto rim not bicycle rim..
also assume you are referring to the rear wheel (since you mention drive side vs non drive side)?? or front wheel??
what hub???
Rix
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wingsuit said:
With the different size spokes, are you looking at a dished lace up?
Rick
yeah sorry I type typed it wrong. I'm putting the prowheel 19" onto a bicycle hub (that was my type, hub, not rim)
i was basically just asking if people had similar spoke lengths for the prowheel rims that they had mounted to a bicycle hub on the front. If you laced a prowheel to a bicycle hub did you have to go down to a smaller spoke?
Rick, to be honest I just found on online spoke calculator where I put in all the info and it spit out those two lengths
http://www.sapim.be/spoke-calculator
I just put in all the hub measurements from my bicycle hub (its a shimano saint 820 hub, 20mm through axel hub) and I just left in the 1 crossing on gear and non gear side for the spokes (which I'm not sure if thats right). I found a site that says shimano drills their hubs to 2.4mm so I have to see what gauge spoke will fit onto that. I'm guessing the cromotor would be able to run a thicker spoke?
I feel like I'm confusing myself enough that I'm going to get the length wrong, but because its a non standard build I dont imagine local shops will have all the required bits (ie the reducer nipples from holmes to be able to run bicycle spoke on the prowheel rim) so I'm trying to work it out so I can order from holmes
i was basically just asking if people had similar spoke lengths for the prowheel rims that they had mounted to a bicycle hub on the front. If you laced a prowheel to a bicycle hub did you have to go down to a smaller spoke?
Rick, to be honest I just found on online spoke calculator where I put in all the info and it spit out those two lengths
http://www.sapim.be/spoke-calculator
I just put in all the hub measurements from my bicycle hub (its a shimano saint 820 hub, 20mm through axel hub) and I just left in the 1 crossing on gear and non gear side for the spokes (which I'm not sure if thats right). I found a site that says shimano drills their hubs to 2.4mm so I have to see what gauge spoke will fit onto that. I'm guessing the cromotor would be able to run a thicker spoke?
I feel like I'm confusing myself enough that I'm going to get the length wrong, but because its a non standard build I dont imagine local shops will have all the required bits (ie the reducer nipples from holmes to be able to run bicycle spoke on the prowheel rim) so I'm trying to work it out so I can order from holmes
Rix
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wingsuit said:
For lacing the a bicycle hubs to a MC rim such as the 19x1.4, I sent my rim and hub to Volt Riders. They did an excellent job. I can't lace 3X at all and with really small hub diameters, 3x is the best.. As far as spoke calculators go, Justin's spoke calculator from Ebikes.ca is super close. I used his when I laced up my 18x1.85 Tegasko rim to my 5405. I had to dremmel 11 spokes because they were slightly too long, but its better to be too long than too short. ERD of rims can vary depending on what nipples are being used when calculating ERD. If you are going to lace up your own wheel, its best to buy two spokes and nipples you plan on using to measure ERD. Granted your spoke being used for measurement wont fit, but can be used to accurately to measure ERD so the 36 spokes and nipples you do order fit. Then input that data into Justin's spoke calculator with the respective number of cross lacing pattern. Does the Shimano 820 hub have two different size spoke flange diameters on the front hub? Some manufactures do this and make the flange on the disk side larger to assist with countering torque from braking, shorter spokes = stiffer wheels. But if your flanges are the same size, and there is no dishing, your spoke lengths should be symmetrical/same length.
Rick
well my phasor running decent now...two 51 volt 13 AH packs in parallel 58 volts hot off the charger....about 40 mph top speed at 35 amps....went 29 miles with some tough hills and against the wind came back with 54 volts so looks like I have tons of range with this set up...BUT CURRENT CONTROLLER ONLY ALLOWS crystalyte display much prefer CA...
Allex
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Why not buy A lyen 18FET? You will have 65amps + and CA connection.
Or even better, buy a mini-e from adaptto labs.
Or even better, buy a mini-e from adaptto labs.
the 65A Lyen is with 4110 FETS....they can handle only 100v
the "high voltage" Lyen is for 45amps (and up to 150v) but 125v will be the best voltage-range.
the Problem with the 4115 FETS (up to 150v) is that they can handle only 50% less juice...
at that voltage with a 4080 it crosses the speedwish with power.
(excuse my english for explain)
my 4110 18fet can handle without any probs longer 10KW Peaks. (For testing and really short sprints i squeeze'd out 15-16KW)
the 4115 18fet will blow defently trying to get 10KW in a second.
now the Problem. to benefit from the high voltage controller with maybe 125v you need about 8KW for that Speed.
with my bike i need 5-6KW flying with 65mph. i'd like to use 125v (30s lipos)
125v x 45a you have a bit over 5KW...for a few months i asked lyen too for using 65amps with the 4115 Controller. (8KW)
he told me that theres a 30/70 chance to blow (70 blow)
the addapto i would prefer the max-E .....because the 4080 can handle 10kw peaks and when u update to a cro u have allready a fittin controller
btw....a phasor is on my wishlist...can someone tell me to fit 8000er Turnigys in it?! ( 10x 8000 to get 125v with 16Ah)
the "high voltage" Lyen is for 45amps (and up to 150v) but 125v will be the best voltage-range.
the Problem with the 4115 FETS (up to 150v) is that they can handle only 50% less juice...
at that voltage with a 4080 it crosses the speedwish with power.
(excuse my english for explain)
my 4110 18fet can handle without any probs longer 10KW Peaks. (For testing and really short sprints i squeeze'd out 15-16KW)
the 4115 18fet will blow defently trying to get 10KW in a second.
now the Problem. to benefit from the high voltage controller with maybe 125v you need about 8KW for that Speed.
with my bike i need 5-6KW flying with 65mph. i'd like to use 125v (30s lipos)
125v x 45a you have a bit over 5KW...for a few months i asked lyen too for using 65amps with the 4115 Controller. (8KW)
he told me that theres a 30/70 chance to blow (70 blow)
the addapto i would prefer the max-E .....because the 4080 can handle 10kw peaks and when u update to a cro u have allready a fittin controller
btw....a phasor is on my wishlist...can someone tell me to fit 8000er Turnigys in it?! ( 10x 8000 to get 125v with 16Ah)
pendragon8000
100 kW
I've got a 18x4115 lyen on my monster bike.Merlin said:the 65A Lyen is with 4110 FETS....they can handle only 100v
the "high voltage" Lyen is for 45amps (and up to 150v) but 125v will be the best voltage-range.
the Problem with the 4115 FETS (up to 150v) is that they can handle only 50% less juice...
at that voltage with a 4080 it crosses the speedwish with power.
(excuse my english for explain)
my 4110 18fet can handle without any probs longer 10KW Peaks. (For testing and really short sprints i squeeze'd out 15-16KW)
the 4115 18fet will blow defently trying to get 10KW in a second.
now the Problem. to benefit from the high voltage controller with maybe 125v you need about 8KW for that Speed.
with my bike i need 5-6KW flying with 65mph. i'd like to use 125v (30s lipos)
125v x 45a you have a bit over 5KW...for a few months i asked lyen too for using 65amps with the 4115 Controller. (8KW)
he told me that theres a 30/70 chance to blow (70 blow)
the addapto i would prefer the max-E .....because the 4080 can handle 10kw peaks and when u update to a cro u have allready a fittin controller
btw....a phasor is on my wishlist...can someone tell me to fit 8000er Turnigys in it?! ( 10x 8000 to get 125v with 16Ah)
I run 100v (hoc) and reprogrammed for 60amps
I moded the controller though. I added even more solid copper wire to power and phase traces and added extra heat transfer compound to the fett block. I upgraded the phase wires. I added a 70°C thermostat with buzzer to the chassis. It has never buzzed and the controller doesn't get that hot, but, I am only running a HT3525 so after 30kph amps go down to 30 or less
Kepler used one of these on his old bomber with 30s lipo and put amps up to 60 I think. The lyen controller also has a 120% speed setting that reduces efficiency but gives a torque boost in mid range and more top speed.
Rix
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Pend, Kep was running 85AH peaking at 11KW through his if I recall correctly 
. What a beast that must have been.
. What a beast that must have been.
Rix
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Merlin said:sure...with a (totaly) modified controller it should work. but i think that modification is not for everyone (incl me
i would buy a 4115 controller who eats 80Amps on 30s. Someone have one to sell?
Merlin, I should have added that Kepler had modified his controller to flow that kind of current.
pendragon8000
100 kW
Kepler's stealthsRix said:Pend, Kep was running 85AH peaking at 11KW through his if I recall correctly
http://www.electricbike.com/stealth-hot-rod/
57 battery , 160 phase.
He may have upped it after this screen shot.
But that pushing it hard if you don't want to monitor it.
Rix
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PenD, I was going off his CA on his last video he made before he sold his Bomber. He went just north of 11KW on that 0-85KPH run. Like you said, he must have increased the settings after that screen shot.
Rick
Rick
Hello fellow Phasor owners. I've been a ES member for a couple years now. (under a different member name, can't remember my old password). Used ride a high end 2008 Specialized stumpjumper full suspension BMC V4 with BMC 50a controller and Ping 48v 20a. Top speed on flats 45 mph with lots of pedal assist, also 60 tooth sprocket! Anyhow, On November 27th, 2011 I was hit by a truck that ran a red light at high speed, while riding my Ebike. It almost killed me! I had an openbook pelvis fracture of 3-4 inches, and many other fractures. I was in the hospital for several weeks and later placed in a convalescent for 6-1/2 weeks. It sucked! Now I'm back! I was riding horse's, while taking a time out from any biking. Much more dangerous, I'm sure. In January I bought David Pearce's Green #1 bike, she's a beauty. Though slightly underpowered. I promptly set about fixing that. I'm no Ebike wizard so I need help and tech advise. I found Ilia of Ebikessf, He has a shop in S.F. close to me. So far I have got a new Crown T80 from Ebikes ca. and Ilia's working on a big battery for me, all we can fit in Beautiful #1. Also went all out and got the Schlumpft 34t/85t. She should be fast and even more stunning! I will be posting lot of pictures and video soon as I figure out how. I would like to thank all you brainiacs out there for all your help and inspiration. Comments and advise welcomed! I do have old video of the old bike on Youtube under Kike Ming, I think? Happy riding!
Rix
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Kike Ming said:
Kike, I was wondering who would pick up Daves #1 Green machine
. I am looking forward to your build, I have heard some great things about the TC80. It should solve your under powered problem. Good for and easy 4 KW all day long, more with some conservative hub venting. Glad you go past that nasty accident. Whats your plans for a battery? what kind of peak watts you plan on pushin?Rick
in answer to some questions above,I am waiting for HPC's new controllers that can handle up to 150 volts to arrive along with their more efficient 4065 specifically wired for over 100 volts ..at that time will put batteries back in series and go to CA display..should be able to go about 55 mph with that set up
right now some strange charging irregularities:
charged my bike one charger got green light display said 58.5 volts
other charger continued to charge for another hour green light display said 59 volts
checked voltage with voltmeter 58 volts both
next day checked 58 volts both but display said 58.5
plugged in chargers one had green light other continued to run 40 minutes (same as one that took additional hour)
something I should be concerned with?
right now some strange charging irregularities:
charged my bike one charger got green light display said 58.5 volts
other charger continued to charge for another hour green light display said 59 volts
checked voltage with voltmeter 58 volts both
next day checked 58 volts both but display said 58.5
plugged in chargers one had green light other continued to run 40 minutes (same as one that took additional hour)
something I should be concerned with?
Thanks Rix for the prompt reply, I am going with the 72 volt 29 amp hour battery. Illea from ebikes SF knows a lot more than I do, and is fairly conservative. It will have a BMS. I also have a gold bike ordered from David Pearce I am going to do a Cro Motor setup with that. I am thinking about using black 20" motocross rims on that build. It will definitely be interesting to compare the Cro Motor with the Crown Motor using the same type of battery set up.
