E-S Phasor Electric Bike Owners
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Rix
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korpin said:
A more efficient 4065 would be the TC65. Is that what you are getting? Being that LiCo cells should not be charged more than 4.2 volts per cell, use your 58.5 volt charger on both. 59 volts means each sell is being charged to 4.214 volts per cell. No overly high, but still above the 4.2v max. No surprised that they both settled at 58 volts after charging. Batteries settle little right after charging. Mine drops from 87.4 to 85.5 quick, then after 24 hrs settle at 79.9-80.1 volts. for what its worth.
Rix
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Kike Ming said:HPC, hmmmmmmm? Just saying!
I wonder myself. Korpin seems to have had a "few" issues with his HPC powered Phasor. You should follow Hyena's build thread here on ES. As it so happens, he has a TC80 on his Fighter as we speak. This guy will be able to tell you what it can handle.
Rodney64
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Kike Ming
Best to mount the controller on the front of the frame. I havent had any suscess with them internally mounted. With the crown you will need to spread the rear swing arm to get it to fit. I used a modified turn buckle.
Look forward to your build.
Best to mount the controller on the front of the frame. I havent had any suscess with them internally mounted. With the crown you will need to spread the rear swing arm to get it to fit. I used a modified turn buckle.
Look forward to your build.
Rix
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Kike Ming said:Ah Rodney, one of the OG Phasor guys. Good to here from you! I will be in touch. Love your video and posts, keep them coming. Thanks, hope you and yours are well.
Yah, Rodney is one of the first, and is the Plank Owner of this thread. Good brain to pick at.
Rick
Rix
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korpin said:
Yes its the Crown, being that there hasn't been any recent changes to the H40 series, the only motor made by Crystalyte that is more efficient than the H40XX is the 54xx and the TCXX. And I am not 100% sure that the 54xx series is more efficient, but definitely not less than the H40XX series. I know it cant be a 5405 which is probably the closest equivalent in terms of stator winds to the 4065, (process of confirming with Kenny) but if HPC is getting a different more efficient motor for you, and its made by Crystalyte, its got to be the TC65.
Rix, I see your kinda close. At least on the west coast. Fallon yes, been in the area many times. Lots of open space, I like to camp out in the desert, shoot guns and ride quads. Beautiful country! I'm really excited to get this bike going, forgot to say I'm giving regen a try, mostly to reduce brake wear. But it will be nice to get some power back. I'm in Placerville California about an hour, ten minutes from Tahoe. We will have to hit the bike trail up, when summer's back. I also have some small hardtail bikes. BMC V2 and V3 with triangle frame 48v 13a batteries Allstate. very clean builds, I love this shit! Going to have a V4 on a Santa Cruz DH triple clamp fork, big brakes, bike soon too. Allstate 48v 20a backpack battery. The rims bad, going to have it relaced. BMC 50a controller, should be very stealthy. At least until I cannibalize it for the new Orange (not gold) Phasor frame. Of course like I said, doing a Cro motor with that set up. I'm going to find a new bike for the V4 and backpack battery at that point, so fun! I love playing with hub motor ebikes. Great to be with my people.
Rix
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Kike Ming said:
Placerville is beutiful some of my day trip drives take me through there. I was planning on riding that area, Grass Valley, Downieville and Nevada City, this summer. Get some woods riding in. The problem is I don't know any of the trail systems around there. Make you deal, we meet and do some riding this summer, you be the guide, and I by lunches and beer at the Auburn Ale House.
Rick
Hyena
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I haven't done back to back testing with the 5400 as they're largely no longer available but after ongoing testing with the crown I found the efficiency is quite good. Torture testing yesterday I found that the higher speed TC80 had similar efficiency to the H4065 so with this motor you can have your cake and eat it too! The high burst current it draws on full throttle acceleration and launches off the line quickly drops down to sub 3kw as the speed starts to taper off. And peak current only clipped 90A (100A limited) This is good news for li-ion packs and their BMSs.Rix said:
Rix
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Thats good to know Jay, so as speed increases with the TC80, is the current demands dropping faster than with the 4080 you had on the Fighter 3 motors ago?
Rick
Rick
Sounds good Rick, I'll have to do some research on the off road trail system. Might be too technical for me? I do love to ride the American river bike trail. Awesome, beautiful paved bike trail from Folsom to Old Sacramento all along the river, about 35 miles? I would love to hit the paved trail around Tahoe too! I do know some milder trails too around Auburn on the confluence and the Olmstead loop in Cool Ca. Definitely, will get together for some rides. Glad to hear Hyena's input on the T80, a much respected opinion. Good new's everythings in for my rebuild of beautiful #1. IT'S ALIVE!!, well almost need a regen throttle like I've seen on Greyborg USA. That shouldn't take long to get. Happy ebiking Mike.
Rix
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I prefer super technical off road trails, steeper and gnarlier, the better, but paved stuff is fine as long as I am in the trees. This is one reason I like the SR241 Shinkos. They work well every where, pavement, dirt, rock, sand, wet, dry muddy, snowy, gravel, hard pack, doesn't matter, they work everywhere. As far as the 19x1.4 option goes, yes its super durable, but if you don't ride rocky off road fast and hard, its a little excessive. It sure handles great though.
Rick
Rick
Rix said:
well they got the crown too (with its different body) but they say its the same body as 4065 just more efficient...in fact,they said I could just pop it in my existing body no need to spoke up a new rim something about windings being a bit different optimized for 100+ volts not sure exactly what that means
Rix
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korpin said:
That sounds interesting, keep us posted. I you learned the specifics, between the old and the new 40XX series, I would really like to know what it is. Did HPC say that the new 4065 can handle more continues power?
Rick
Hyena
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Sounds like marketing talk to me.
"optimised for 100+v" basically means it's a slower wind and will still do the advertised speed (ie around 65km/hr) on 100v.
I had a similar issue ordering from crystalyte a few years back. I specified higher grade halls, bearings and phase wires noting I wanted to run them on 72v. I ordered H3540s and what I received was a motor that did 40km/hr on 72v. This equated to 1 wind slower to the HT3525 (36v rated) at the time. Fortunately I didn't end up stuck with them as I was able to sell them as 'super high intensity torque motors' for those running high voltage. (those around back then may remember my S.H.I.T acronym :lol: )
Outright power handling shouldn't be any different. There'd only be small (if any) variations in the amount of copper between the different windings and wattage is wattage. You'll just be dumping more voltage and less current into them.
"optimised for 100+v" basically means it's a slower wind and will still do the advertised speed (ie around 65km/hr) on 100v.
I had a similar issue ordering from crystalyte a few years back. I specified higher grade halls, bearings and phase wires noting I wanted to run them on 72v. I ordered H3540s and what I received was a motor that did 40km/hr on 72v. This equated to 1 wind slower to the HT3525 (36v rated) at the time. Fortunately I didn't end up stuck with them as I was able to sell them as 'super high intensity torque motors' for those running high voltage. (those around back then may remember my S.H.I.T acronym :lol: )
Outright power handling shouldn't be any different. There'd only be small (if any) variations in the amount of copper between the different windings and wattage is wattage. You'll just be dumping more voltage and less current into them.
Rix
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Hyena said:
Those s.h.i.t hubbies sounded like they were the shit! Well maybe these higher efficiency 4065 motors are made "exclusively" for HPC. Part of that whole marketing thing?
