E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

[powerfloe]

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners
by Kepler » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:29 am

All you can do is set your amp limit in the CA. Set it to 65A. That will give you max power. Welcome to the thread by the way



Hi Kepler,

Could you give us all the defaults. I just had my Cycle Analyst reset.

SECTION IN MANUAL P. 11. (NOTE - It does not state Bomber Stats).

6.3 - WHEEL SIZE for the standard 24x3 Razorback (???? - Circumference)?

6.4 - Volt Limit? (72 VOLT ? - MIN CUTOFF)?

6.5 - AMP LIMIT? (65A ? - MAX AMPS)?

ADV SETUP MENU
8.3 Rshunt? (????)

and or anything else that I am missing.

RESET DEFAULTS - WERE WRONG AND LOW.
I noticed on the reset I had 60A instead of 65A and 70V instead of 72V - so if your Bomber feels slow, you may want to check these settings.

 

[Dlogic]

After almost 19000 Km the rear swivel bearing of the shock had to be replaced. It´s just pressed into the shock so removal is quit easy. I installed an industrial quality type from the german DIN list.

This is the part you need: Radial-Gelenklager DIN 648-E

If you hear a rattling noise coming from the rear part of the bike, check if there´s play where the 2 M10 screws hold the rear shock. If there is then this bearing is either worn out or, like in my case, the outer ring has cracked. It´s a simple repair and will save you a shit load of money. The worst option is of course the purchase of a new rear shock.

If you´re interested, i can post some pictures of this work here.

 

[Elliot]

Hey guys.
Here are a few pics of a Bomber we delivered yesterday. Standard to fully optioned (including our F.M.J. kit) The client was stoked :lol: I was a bit sorry to see it go, it was really growing on me

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Love the Quigley cable management ! All dealers should have a close look :wink:

 

[Allex]

my 2013 bomber have 60A/4600W limit and Lifepo battery set to 76V cutoff at 70V.
My battery is rated 72V why do they set 76V in CA? Is this OK och should I change the value?

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners
by Kepler » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:29 am

All you can do is set your amp limit in the CA. Set it to 65A. That will give you max power. Welcome to the thread by the way



Hi Kepler,

Could you give us all the defaults. I just had my Cycle Analyst reset.

SECTION IN MANUAL P. 11. (NOTE - It does not state Bomber Stats).

6.3 - WHEEL SIZE for the standard 24x3 Razorback (???? - Circumference)?

6.4 - Volt Limit? (72 VOLT ? - MIN CUTOFF)?

6.5 - AMP LIMIT? (65A ? - MAX AMPS)?

ADV SETUP MENU
8.3 Rshunt? (????)

and or anything else that I am missing.

RESET DEFAULTS - WERE WRONG AND LOW.
I noticed on the reset I had 60A instead of 65A and 70V instead of 72V - so if your Bomber feels slow, you may want to check these settings.

 

[remf]

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners
by Kepler » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:29 am

All you can do is set your amp limit in the CA. Set it to 65A. That will give you max power. Welcome to the thread by the way



Hi Kepler,

Could you give us all the defaults. I just had my Cycle Analyst reset.

SECTION IN MANUAL P. 11. (NOTE - It does not state Bomber Stats).

6.3 - WHEEL SIZE for the standard 24x3 Razorback (???? - Circumference)?

6.4 - Volt Limit? (72 VOLT ? - MIN CUTOFF)?

6.5 - AMP LIMIT? (65A ? - MAX AMPS)?

ADV SETUP MENU
8.3 Rshunt? (????)

and or anything else that I am missing.

RESET DEFAULTS - WERE WRONG AND LOW.
I noticed on the reset I had 60A instead of 65A and 70V instead of 72V - so if your Bomber feels slow, you may want to check these settings.

Stealth defaults for Bomber CA V2.3:

Set Units mph or kph
Set Wheel 2055 mm
Speed Limit 99 mph or kph
Amps Limit 60 A
Low Volts Limit 70 V

ADVANCED
Set Range Low (0.01 A)
Averaging 5
Set Rshunt varies between bikes
Volt sense varies between bikes
Set #poles 12
PSGain 0.08 V/mph or kph
IntSGain 200
IntAGain 300
IntVGain 800
ITerm Max 3.79 V
ITerm Min 0.49 V
Max Throttle 4.98 V
Set Ratio varies between bikes
Serial Output 1 Hz

Aux Voltage Amps Limit
Aux Thresh varies between bikes
Vshutdown 10

 

[Rix]

After almost 19000 Km the rear swivel bearing of the shock had to be replaced. It´s just pressed into the shock so removal is quit easy. I installed an industrial quality type from the german DIN list.
This is the part you need: Radial-Gelenklager DIN 648-E
If you hear a rattling noise coming from the rear part of the bike, check if there´s play where the 2 M10 screws hold the rear shock. If there is then this bearing is either worn out or, like in my case, the outer ring has cracked. It´s a simple repair and will save you a shit load of money. The worst option is of course the purchase of a new rear shock.
If you´re interested, i can post some pictures of this work here.

Yes post pics Martin (aka Dlogic). For those of you that have just started following the Stealth Thread within the last 6 months, Martin is a guru on the chassis components of the Bombers. He has multiple vidoes on the entire breakdown of the Vboxx, how to service it, how to maintain it, and how to rebuild/repair it. Just like a select few others, when Martin has something to say, its worth listening too.

Rick

 

[powerfloe]

Stealth defaults for Bomber CA V2.3:

Set Units mph or kph
Set Wheel 2055 mm
Speed Limit 99 mph or kph
Amps Limit 60 A
Low Volts Limit 70 V

ADVANCED
Set Range Low (0.01 A)
Averaging 5
Set Rshunt varies between bikes
Volt sense varies between bikes
Set #poles 12
PSGain 0.08 V/mph or kph
IntSGain 200
IntAGain 300
IntVGain 800
ITerm Max 3.79 V
ITerm Min 0.49 V
Max Throttle 4.98 V
Set Ratio varies between bikes
Serial Output 1 Hz
Aux Voltage Amps Limit
Aux Thresh varies between bikes
Vshutdown 10

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THANK YOU REMF!

I am no electrical engineer, so maybe you could explain a few of these settings.
I read and tried out yesterday these two settings - thinking it was faster... but now I'm not sure, and I do NOT want to harm my bomber.

1) I read on this forum (wrongly somewhere) to set MAX CURRENT at 65A (WRONG) instead of the 60A (CORRECT) that you posted.
What will this do?
Will it make it FASTER pulling 65A instead of 60A ?
How high can one set this safely?
Or will it more likely DAMAGE my Batteries of Motor in the long run?

2) I read on this forum (wrongly somewhere) MIN CUT OFF at 72V (WRONG) instead of the 70VA (CORRECT) that you posted.
What will this do?
I assume by lowering it, that there will be more CHARGE available for longer distance and power. Is that right?

Lastly, are there some SAFE SETTINGS that would increase POWER AND SPEED safely?

Thanks.

 

[runonpre]

Anyone put a larger crank gear on fighter for more topend?

 

[Rix]

Anyone put a larger crank gear on fighter for more topend?

Schlumpf makes a 53t chain ring for their high speed drive. On the 1.65 overdrive, that would be the equivalent of a 87t sprocket, on the 2.5 over drive, that would be about 132t. Super huge gearing. I don't know which schlumpf crank drive the Fighter comes with, but one of the cranks is limited to 42t which still gives you 69t or 102t respectively depending on the 1.65 OD and 2.5 OD.

Rick

 

[MAFIA]

here is my bike with the Manitou Dorado pro ,crazy bob tires and hope v4 evo and vented disc

 

[remf]

Stealth defaults for Bomber CA V2.3:

Set Units mph or kph
Set Wheel 2055 mm
Speed Limit 99 mph or kph
Amps Limit 60 A
Low Volts Limit 70 V

ADVANCED
Set Range Low (0.01 A)
Averaging 5
Set Rshunt varies between bikes
Volt sense varies between bikes
Set #poles 12
PSGain 0.08 V/mph or kph
IntSGain 200
IntAGain 300
IntVGain 800
ITerm Max 3.79 V
ITerm Min 0.49 V
Max Throttle 4.98 V
Set Ratio varies between bikes
Serial Output 1 Hz
Aux Voltage Amps Limit
Aux Thresh varies between bikes
Vshutdown 10

=============
THANK YOU REMF!

I am no electrical engineer, so maybe you could explain a few of these settings.
I read and tried out yesterday these two settings - thinking it was faster... but now I'm not sure, and I do NOT want to harm my bomber.

1) I read on this forum (wrongly somewhere) to set MAX CURRENT at 65A (WRONG) instead of the 60A (CORRECT) that you posted.
What will this do?
Will it make it FASTER pulling 65A instead of 60A ?
How high can one set this safely?
Or will it more likely DAMAGE my Batteries of Motor in the long run?

2) I read on this forum (wrongly somewhere) MIN CUT OFF at 72V (WRONG) instead of the 70VA (CORRECT) that you posted.
What will this do?
I assume by lowering it, that there will be more CHARGE available for longer distance and power. Is that right?

Lastly, are there some SAFE SETTINGS that would increase POWER AND SPEED safely?

Thanks.

PF, the default settings have been set & thoroughly tested by Stealth to provide the best all-round ride experience & longevity. I wouldn't say that 65A limit is wrong since it's not way over and probably not any more likely to self-combust as a result. I've tried the 65A limit...maybe there is *slightly* more power but honestly I really didn't notice much difference at all. There *might* be a longevity deficit as a result of running a higher current limit but again it's not a huge difference.

Same with the LVC, not a huge difference but yes, lowering it will give you a bit more range, down to whatever the BMS cut-off is. The CA low volt cut-out is merely an adjustable cut-out above the BMS cut-out level which is not adjustable.

I don't think there are any settings to noticeably increase power safely. If you really want more power, then really the only way is to supply a higher voltage I.e. a new custom pack & possibly a new controller too, depending on actual volts.

I really can't say what effect messing around with settings has on your warranty...I don't know. I would think that if something went wrong as a result, It could effect any warranty claim.

 

[morati]

here is my bike with the Manitou Dorado pro ,crazy bob tires and hope v4 evo and vented disc

MAFIA, how do you like the new fork and brakes? Looks awesome!

 

[powerfloe]

Thanks Remf!

Cool Forks Mafia! They look better than my new Gold and Black Fox 40s, I'll give you that!

 

[remf]

Yes nice forks & murals 8) More pics of bike & Puerto Rico please !!!

 

[MAFIA]

here is my bike with the Manitou Dorado pro ,crazy bob tires and hope v4 evo and vented disc

MAFIA, how do you like the new fork and brakes? Looks awesome!

yes it feel very deference the breaks have more power than magura mt2 it feel about 70% more stopping power i love the hope break the fork is a HUGE deference this fork swallows everything you don't feel the front wheel is amazing every crack or rocks is like they are not there and i dont know if is me but i feel like i can turn a little more and is really smooth , but now i feel everything on the rear my bike is a bit lighter i think like about 1 to 4 pound maybe,also the crazy bob tires are a huge difference of course for street ride are just to smooth and less over razorback next week i will change the breaks cables for black ones

 

[Rix]

here is my bike with the Manitou Dorado pro ,crazy bob tires and hope v4 evo and vented disc
MAFIA, how do you like the new fork and brakes? Looks awesome!

yes it feel very deference the breaks have more power than magura mt2 it feel about 70% more stopping power i love the hope break the fork is a HUGE deference this fork swallows everything you don't feel the front wheel is amazing every crack or rocks is like they are not there and i dont know if is me but i feel like i can turn a little more and is really smooth , but now i feel everything on the rear my bike is a bit lighter i think like about 1 to 4 pound maybe,also the crazy bob tires are a huge difference of course for street ride are just to smooth and less over razorback next week i will change the breaks cables for black ones

Mafia, very nice. I Like the Dorados on the Bomber. Part of the reason why you are getting more feedback in the rear is the Crazy Bob tires. They are much lower profile than the Razorbacks and consequently don't have the side wall flex (do to being shorter and more rigid) the Razorbacks do so you get more road feed back by that default. The couple of things you can do are turn your compression knob counter clockwise on the top of shock to soften compression, and dial in a little more rebound on the bottom of the shock to slow down your shock's rising rate. This will help. You may want to adjust your rear anyways to balance with the front.

Rick

 

[powerfloe]

Bomber vs Long HILLS

I read someone that the Bomber would probably not make it to the top of Pike's Peak letting the Opti-bike win due to the Motor?

I had a few questions on the electronic safety systems that would prevent from blowing the Motor or Battery (maybe)?

1. Does the Bomber turn off if the Motor gets too hot?

2. Is their a "Motor" or "Temperature" light like a car to tell you to wait and cool off for a while?

I'm wanting to film some popular bike and motorcycle roads along the 2000 foot hills going out to the beach in the San Francisco Bay Area.

I plan on riding up them till the battery runs low and then coast back to my car.

 

[Rix]

Bomber vs Long HILLS
I read someone that the Bomber would probably not make it to the top of Pike's Peak letting the Opti-bike win due to the Motor?
I had a few questions on the electronic safety systems that would prevent from blowing the Motor or Battery (maybe)?
1. Does the Bomber turn off if the Motor gets too hot?
2. Is their a "Motor" or "Temperature" light like a car to tell you to wait and cool off for a while?
I'm wanting to film some popular bike and motorcycle roads along the 2000 foot hills going out to the beach in the San Francisco Bay Area.
I plan on riding up them till the battery runs low and then coast back to my car.

PF, back on page 181, I posted some pics of a climb I did recently on my Bomber. Climbed from 5200 feet to just over 7000 feet in 3.2 miles using 427 watts. I am 240 pounds, more like 250 with camelback and tools and I pedal assisted with some of the climbing. Stopped once around the halfway point to check things and take in the view, big forest fire mainly. Temp was 83 degrees on top. I am running a vented 5404 and a 23.5 inch rear tire. I think your Bomber will be more than capable for the task. Just check your controller and give it arrest if it gets hot you can't touch it and likewise for the motor. I have had the stock 5403 apart several times, there isn't any thermistors inside. If the controller has a safety heat sensor shut off on it, I have never tripped that.

Rick

 

[remf]

I think you should be fine like Rick says.

Or, if you install a CAV3, it has a temperature probe input which can be either a 10K NTC thermistor or a linear temp sensor IC like the LM335 which acts like a zener diode so you don't need a separate 5V. You'd need to mount the sensor near the windings and connect to the CA. You then have a temperature display on screen, threshold & max temp cutout. Also both the controller and the motor have the same primary heating source (I^2R on the phase current), so limiting and regulating one will also limit the other in tandem.

 

[powerfloe]

PF, back on page 181, I posted some pics of a climb I did recently on my Bomber. Climbed from 5200 feet to just over 7000 feet in 3.2 miles using 427 watts. I am 240 pounds, more like 250 with camelback and tools and I pedal assisted with some of the climbing. Stopped once around the halfway point to check things and take in the view, big forest fire mainly. Temp was 83 degrees on top. I am running a vented 5404 and a 23.5 inch rear tire. I think your Bomber will be more than capable for the task. Just check your controller and give it arrest if it gets hot you can't touch it and likewise for the motor. I have had the stock 5403 apart several times, there isn't any thermistors inside. If the controller has a safety heat sensor shut off on it, I have never tripped that.

Rick

Ya, Rick I saw your pics, I guess that is why I asked the question after reading the Pikes Peak claim. So our Bombers could probably make it, if we had a cold day and stopped every now and then. Now, if only we could add Twin Turbos to keep our motor cooler.

 

[Rix]

Last year a guy on a vented 9C powered ebike got 3rdOA on the Pikes Peak Challenge, he beat all of the opti bikes. I can tell you that the 9C isn't as robust as the 54XX motors. But yah, twin turbos, a thermogiulator and gunculator switch would really keep things much cooler. :wink:

Rick

 

[MAFIA]

Behind the Phosphorescent Bay in La Parguera,Lajas Puerto Rico only in Australia and Puerto Rico

 

[MAFIA]

closer look to Dorado Pro

 

[Bexxer]

Has anyone ever done Pikes Peak either by trail or road on their Bomber? About to pull the trigger on a new Bomber and will be wanting to use it for all manner of 14ers and high altitude trail and road riding in Colorado that I don't have the physical capacity to do with ease anymore by foot. I'm hoping high temperatures should rarely be an issue at these altitudes, its always bloody cold anything above the tree line! Lightening strikes are probably more of a risk lol!

 

[Stealth_Bombering]

here is my bike with the Manitou Dorado pro ,crazy bob tires and hope v4 evo and vented disc

MAFIA, how do you like the new fork and brakes? Looks awesome!

yes it feel very deference the breaks have more power than magura mt2 it feel about 70% more stopping power i love the hope break the fork is a HUGE deference this fork swallows everything you don't feel the front wheel is amazing every crack or rocks is like they are not there and i dont know if is me but i feel like i can turn a little more and is really smooth , but now i feel everything on the rear my bike is a bit lighter i think like about 1 to 4 pound maybe,also the crazy bob tires are a huge difference of course for street ride are just to smooth and less over razorback next week i will change the breaks cables for black ones

Thanks for the review. Your bike looks awesome with those forks. Can't wait to get mine done later this week.