eLation V2 Pictures now on web

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Hello All

Well what can I say. eLation V1 (http://www.elationebikes.com.au) was a mind blowing success. It was not without its faults and limitations though. To be fair to myself I was working with an extremely limited budget and no real idea if this would be a commercially viable winner. A number of compromises had to be made using off the shelf components and parts from other kits. But now that I am comfortable with the concepts and its acceptance I have been focusing more on what i wanted the eLation kit to be at the start.

The eLation V2 kit is based around what I wanted to do but also from feedback from installers and riders. So what will be the eLation V2? If there are any questions or ommissions please feel free to ask on Forum. This is also possibly you last chance for you to offer input on what else may be "nice" to have.

Please note some parts are still being completed as samples prior to prodcution sign off. I still do not have all final bits and pieces but they start shipping today. So photos will not be available until order is a go.

Here goes.

Motor and gearbox.
Motor will be brushless and available in 200W, 300W and 500W. The gearbox will be a planetary gearbox with two stage reduction. Final output RPM will be approx 300RPM.

Motor mount.
Will be a "flat plate" design with a few 'tricks' to simplify instalation and alignment. This also means it will fit a wider range of bikes including some rear supsension mountain bikes for those who want. There will be two parts to the motor mount. The mounting plate to the bike and the motor plate which will allow fine tuning of chain alignment. The mounting plate to the bike will be secured by a shrouded chain link type system. This means that the mount will attach to non-round tubes and irregular dimensioned tubes. In addition load is spread over more of the bike frame. The bracket is also designed so that if the rider chooses they will be able to mount the motor on the seat tube, the same as EPAC kits do.
Finally there will be an idler arm to maintain drive chain tension.

Cranks and Crank gears.
Crank gears will consist of individual crank rings made of alloy. Supplied sizes will be 22/32/44 for bike gears and 44 for drive. However the design is based around the standard 4 hole 64/104mm system. This means that the rider can change the rings to whatever size and quality they wish (including the drive ring). The alloy crank design will eliminate the need to change out the crank spindle (something that is annoying and required by all kits to date). This means that the bike maintains its existing BB system be that sealed cartridge or Ball and Cup. In addition there will be two chain guards. One between bike chains and drive chains. the other outside the drive chain.

Battery Pack and Charger.
Batteries will be LiFePO4. The pack will be a 24VDC 10Ahr and discharge rate of 5C. The mounting location is still to be confirmed as I am waiting for the sample to arrive. It is hoped it will be on the diagonal tube. For those wanting greater riding distance a second pack will be able to be connected direct to system so possible to have 24V 20Ahr battery system.

Charger is a 110-240VAC 3A Balanced type charger. this means that each cell is individually monitored for optimum charge.

Why go 'back' to 24VDC?
The reasons are numerous.
Feedback suggested that a large number of people do not need the range provided by eLation V1.
Attempt to lighten the kit further
Attempt to keep price near the same as eLation V1

I went with 5C batteries (even though they cost a little more) to ensure they could delivery the higher current that would be required at 24V (vs 36V). One year ago I would not have made this decision but with LiFePO4 batteries I believe it is much less an issue, especially with 5C discharge capacity.

Other features (pending).
- Movement sensing alarm. Will give warning if bike is moved and then let loose if moved again. More details will follow.

- Addition of direct connect CycleAnalyst (formerly Braindrain). This will most likely be a cost effective OPTION. Depends on final pricing.

- Halls Effect sensors that attach to exiting brake levers. This means that Rapid Fire type gear/brake combos can remain in place and still get the benifit of motor cutout from brakes.

Well I think that covers the main features.

So where to from here for eLation? Version 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well not quite, but there is another design on the drawing board and sections of the concept are now being prototyped. Will our advancements ever end? I hope not :)

Cheers
 
Hi allan,
sounds good. have you guys put anything like this on a road bike? becasue i was thinking i could definatly see a market for teh elation kit for flat bar roadbikes - ie for commuters :)

welcome to the forum!

Kind Regards,
Haydon Ryan
 
Hi Buzz (Ypedal)

Yeah seems like a long time ago, but less thana yer. Learnt a lot since then andhopefully have applied that knowledge correctly in V2.

It has taken longer than I would have like to release but sadly got let down by some Aussie manufaturers always delaying job. The y wonder why people go overseas :(
 
woody113 said:
Hi Buzz (Ypedal)

Yeah seems like a long time ago, but less thana yer. Learnt a lot since then andhopefully have applied that knowledge correctly in V2.

It has taken longer than I would have like to release but sadly got let down by some Aussie manufaturers always delaying job. The y wonder why people go overseas :(

yes its quite sad really in that respect. Looking forward to this V2 kit :) if it fits the road bike i'll go buy a flat bar roadie to do it :)
 
Hi again Woody,
New system sounds like a big leap forward especially if you manage to keep the price in the same ball park.
I doubt my desired option will be a goer but, I would love a torque sensor system so that you can dial in the assist requirement in relation to your own input similar idea to the Bionx.
If you have a look at the latest Greenspeed newsletter they are playing with a system with a torque sensor that does not require contact, from what I can gather else where it measures magnetic field distortion?

Anyway all the best with the new system and make sure you let us know when it comes out.

Just dug up the flyer for the Greenspeed possible motor system.
Sorry about blowing up the thread. :)

Picture removed to repair thread. :)
 
Hi BigH

"I doubt my desired option will be a goer but, I would love a torque sensor..."

It is not out of the question. i did look at a BB system that had a TS built in but did not think it would be a big goer. For now I will add it to the "wish list" for V2.x

You will note the addition of Alarm system. On the old Vis forum I asked what people would like and this one up at the top, so I am listening :lol:

Read this news letter. One of Greenspeeds designers purchased a kit from me for a prototype they are working on. Not sure of details was very hush hush.
 
I'm glad to see continuing development of systems driving through the regular chain, taking advantage of the gears. I'd be interested in a system like this if:

-The motor and drivetrain, no matter it's publicized rating, could withstand at least 1000 watts for 30 minutes, 2000 watts for 10 seconds. Call me spoiled to my 2800 watt X5 -- which still isn't enough power to climb very steep, 15%-25% grades around here without slowing to 10-15mph. Top speed is not nearly as important to me as climbing ability.

-The motor was brushless, and quiet.

-The chain wouldn't fall off or need constant adjustment -- as are common problems with these systems.

-The system was effectively sealed against water incursion and damage -- also a common problem with these systems.

I prefer to provide my own battery pack solution, but don't have the tools or skills yet to fashion my dream gear-driven system.
 
Hi Xyster

Yeah all valid desires.

Some comments

Increased power is never out of the question providing you ignore local regulations and have a good power source. Motors of this size are a no-brainer, batteries are another thing. Cost and weight > Damn. I have an idea I am toying with; may make this more achievable but would be against law and only for enthusists, like you guys :)

"The motor was brushless, and quiet"

We hopefully improved on this by going to brushless AND using a 2 stage gear box instead of single stage.

"The chain wouldn't fall off or need constant adjustment -- as are common problems with these systems."

I hope that our new design also addresses this. The 3 chain rings for bike are identical to normal system, including chain guard in place. The drive gear is a good 10mm clear and has another chain guard on outside. Also chain has tensioner. During test I ran bike with chain 10mm out of alignment, without dropping chain > time will tell here.

"The system was effectively sealed against water incursion and damage -- also a common problem with these systems."

Was not aware this was a major problem, but thanks for heads up on this. I will review and improve on it if possible.

Look on the bright side, there is always room for improvement.
 
One last impossible request, an adjustable current setting on the speed controller so that maximum current drain can be set for longer rides, ie so that you can dial the 500w down to 100w for gentle assist on ultra long hilly rides.
Love the changable rings great for those that ride weird bikes with small wheels.
And the brake lever system as most e-bike brake levers suck big time.
 
It sounds great Allan.

I'm an *almost* customer - I was asking you about brake cutout switches a few months back. I now know they are mostly unnecessary :)

You have hopefully addressed most of the reasons why I didn't end up buying your kit.

- Bought a Dually and it wouldn't have fit

- Dually has quality cartridge style BB..not something I wanted to ditch

- Your old cranks, well, looked a little cheap (sorry)

- And the big one, it was a brushed motor

Now, if you'll sell it without the battery, and it will handle 36v, I may very well become a Version 2 customer :)

Actually, if you need any CAD work done (I'm a mech eng), I'm happy to do you a few favours, for free, just because I think the world needs Ebikes, and I feel bad about asking so many questions and not buying.

Of course, if you need any beta testers, I'm happy to help too!! :)
 
Hi geebee

My understand is that Cycleanalyst will do that. I have discussed using this as an OEM product. Once I have V2 going I will be pursuing this option further with Justin.

Mark

Not sure why the need for 36V.

Touch base with me on CAD offer. We may work something out.
 
Sounds great, I just checked the Cycleanalyst and it looks like it will do the current limiting and a lot of other stuff.
Your v2 is looking more interesting all the time.
 
woody113 said:
Hi geebee

My understand is that Cycleanalyst will do that. I have discussed using this as an OEM product. Once I have V2 going I will be pursuing this option further with Justin.

Mark

Not sure why the need for 36V.

Touch base with me on CAD offer. We may work something out.

Because I have a 37v 10AH Lithium already ;)

I'll contact you tomorrow.

Cheers

Mark
 
Sent an e-mail to your info address Allan.

Did you get it?
 
hey there woody113, sounds cool! will the crank chainwheel freewheel or wil the pedals spin along with the motor?
 
Hi Hopbot

Really sorry for delayed response.

The cranks freewheel when you do not want to pedal. Also motor freewheels when not in use so as to not load cyclist.
 
thanks woody123 for the response. i have a cyclone kit and it sounds similar. so do you still replace the bottom bracket crankset with a new one?
 
The big difference is Woody's allows you to keep your 3 front rings ie. a decent gear range still, and in my experience the chain will be far less likely to come off (with a decent B/B bearing assy).
 
Hi Hopbot

With V1 it was necessary to replace cranks AND spindle. With V2 the cranks are replaced along with the cranks rings ie. Spindle (cartridge) that is with the bike, stays with the bike.

HOWEVER, more important V2 is based around the 4 hole crank rings. BDC64/104. Allor rings will be with kit, but it also means you can keep your favourite rings and/or ratios now.

Hi Geebee
As you say the ALL front rings stay and it DOES make a difference, especially with bottom end torque.

V2 has improved further on chain retension by widening the gap to eliminate inetrference and the mount system allows for fine tuing of alignment.
 
hwy there woody113, that's great about not having to change the cartridge and being able to use standard rings! would have really helped on my previous bike with the oversized bottom bracket (a trek 4300). cant wait to see pics of the new V2 bikes
 
http://www.cyclone-tw.com/

The 1000w one...

It is awfully quick for a pre assembled bike.
 

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Data from the site for this ebike:
Aluminium Frame,heavy duty frame, e-bike heavy duty chain, Disc barke, 3 Speeds Nexus inner hub, 23T, 8.5Ah 48V Li-Ion battery, weight: 27kg, Top speed 65km/h, Range: 15Km

It is faster than my 16" Foldable AL1020 with 48V 12Ah SLA battery and Xlyte 20A controller. My top-speed on flat is about 45km/h.
 
Got this from Allan (Woody) today:

"Hello



Well we are finally near. A number of minor setbacks, and unexpected “holidaysâ€￾ has delayed the launch of the eLation V2 system. But, we believe the wait will truly be worth it.



Tonight the new site will be launched. Part of the launch will be special offers to the first 100 orders, worldwide. Based on the number of people on this email list, and other buying sources it is expected this number will be quickly snapped up. So if you are really wanting a Power Assisted Bike then there is no better time to order.



I would like to thank you once again for your interest in our AUSTRALIAN DESIGNED AND ASSEMBLED product and hope you see the benefits of the New elation V2 over all other systems on the market today.





If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me direct.



Regards

Allan D



P: 07 3345 1024

P: 1300 782 511

W: http://www.elationebikes.com.au"
 
looking good allan, can't wait for pictures! the power requirements of your bikes are crazy good in comparison to hub motors hehe.
 
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