Epic Topic Nominations

knightmb

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As the subject says, nominate some really long, yet very usual topics, so can move them to the epic topic section to better preserve the information within them.

In case it was not know, the general discussion areas of all forums "clean" out topics that are older than 1 year of inactivity, so that's why if any good ones have been buried, we will have a way to preserve them.
 
Obviously the sticky and locked threads aren't going anywhere. Justin's Cross-Canada trip is somewhat historic.
I'd add a few of the more comprehensive build threads including things like the tab welder where, RLT, Jeremy Harris, Nemo, Doctorbass and others compare approaches and results.
Dare I mention Safe's and Aussie Jester's topical contributions as being worthy of archiving?

Oh yeah, though he posts less frequently than others, can I nominate justin_le for "guru" status. There are others here too who give only verifiable info and deserve to be recognised as valuable contributors
 
Zoot Katz said:
Obviously the sticky and locked threads aren't going anywhere. Justin's Cross-Canada trip is somewhat historic.
I'd add a few of the more comprehensive build threads including things like the tab welder where, RLT, Jeremy Harris, Nemo, Doctorbass and others compare approaches and results.
Dare I mention Safe's and Aussie Jester's topical contributions as being worthy of archiving?

Oh yeah, though he posts less frequently than others, can I nominate justin_le for "guru" status. There are others here too who give only verifiable info and deserve to be recognised as valuable contributors

The sticky or locked threads can expire too though if no one post in them for more than a year. :(

Start poll about Justin, let it run for a max of 7 days, to get feel about how others feel that frequent here.
 
knightmb said:
The sticky or locked threads can expire too though if no one post in them for more than a year. :(
Then what's the point of making them sicky? How, exactly, does one post to a "locked" thread?
Start poll about Justin, let it run for a max of 7 days, to get feel about how others feel that frequent here.
I think Justin's credentials and track record speak for themselves. Other designated gurus are not likely to reject him, and would probably feel honoured to count him among their ranks. Justin's handling of tech support and customer service questions in the middle of the night from doughnut shops while traveling cross-Canada on an ebike certainly certifies him as a true guru.
 
Zoot Katz said:
knightmb said:
The sticky or locked threads can expire too though if no one post in them for more than a year. :(
Then what's the point of making them sicky? How, exactly, does one post to a "locked" thread?
Start poll about Justin, let it run for a max of 7 days, to get feel about how others feel that frequent here.
I think Justin's credentials and track record speak for themselves. Other designated gurus are not likely to reject him, and would probably feel honoured to count him among their ranks. Justin's handling of tech support and customer service questions in the middle of the night from doughnut shops while traveling cross-Canada on an ebike certainly certifies him as a true guru.
All a sticky does is keep them at the top. Locked, yes those will be cleared if left in the general discussion area long enough technically.

Well, Justin has never asked. At least, not that I now of. A poll is helpful for historical reasons. If someone asked why we have the old smilies instead of the new, I can point to the polls. Or why we have smaller image restrictions on inline posting before they become thumbnails, etc. So while it may seem like a no contest poll, it's still helpful from the vantage point of those that help moderator the forum.

He might not really want to be put into the Guru group either, so I would hate to thrust him into something that he isn't interested in. :mrgreen:

[note to self: fix the smilies before someone ask why they aren't the old ones yet :D ]
 
i think it would be more fitting to name the impromptu charging locations which are 'open and accessible' after justin because they were his cross canada oasis's.

i even think there should be a structured file on the sphere similar to the mailing list for the 'justin junctions' which people find and would be available to fellow travelers. organized by region or metro area. if we could hang an ES logo next to the plug so it was visible from the street, maybe they would show up in the google map street level pictures.

i really like using the google map app like dirtdad did on his thread, similar to what the PTP guys did here in portland for free wifi nodes.
 
I think it would be a real shame to lose any of the gems of wisdom posted on the Sphere. I understand the cost implications of keeping the data on line, but could you have a "higher level" paid membership for the forum which would cover the extra cost of keeping that data on-line and searchable? Only paid members could access the older archives?
How many gigabytes per year are we ditching at present and what percentage of what we are holding is that?
 
paultrafalgar said:
I think it would be a real shame to lose any of the gems of wisdom posted on the Sphere. I understand the cost implications of keeping the data on line, but could you have a "higher level" paid membership for the forum which would cover the extra cost of keeping that data on-line and searchable? Only paid members could access the older archives?
How many gigabytes per year are we ditching at present and what percentage of what we are holding is that?
As present, the forum consist of 313MB of text (posts, info, etc.) and 2.3GB of attachments (pictures, files, etc.) which go on a 7 day rotating backup server. So I'm not worried about losing any data, but the general sections usually are just things that people find and post up. I posted up a link to the earth hour site and while it's neat and all, 8 months from now, it won't really be necessary for it to sit at the last page forever. So anything that is worth keeping forever, I made a kind of archive forum for it.

My next project (which I must admit has not gotten much attention) was to wiki all the good info and the site is up for that, it just needs more attention from me to get it fixed up better. http://amaranthine.endless-sphere.com/
That site is the project where I was going to try and condense all the good info and put it up online in a more "encyclopedia" like format. Now that I have more time to spend here, that is one things that will be getting a lot of attention here shortly.

I want to keep as much open and free stuff available as I can without requiring any payments, but always feel free to make a donation if you like. :mrgreen:
 
about donations, i still think it helps if people allow themselves to get a little clickity. i saw some of the overture links at the bottom of this page are for upscale EV, and how to make $150 a day for free. now they are perfect specimens for supporting our little endeavor with a little right clickity 'open in new tab' action.

but i found a nice link on the IGBT thread, where the link was from a small shop in roy, washington and the guy made RC controllers and sold them on the net, so he had good positioning on that thread, and the link was worth opening because he had a buncha discussion about n channel hexfet power mosfets that was interesting too, so it was worth my time to look at it. in fact maybe knight has a way to let the merchants know if they are being successful with their ad placements, but that gets to be work too.

so use these opportunities to get clickity on the links down there and see if it helps cover the bandwidth. if enuff people do it, then maybe the ad revenues will increase enuff for knight that he can retire to the banker's life. fat chance. or chance to be fat.
 
knightmb said:
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My next project (which I must admit has not gotten much attention) was to wiki all the good info and the site is up for that, it just needs more attention from me to get it fixed up better. http://amaranthine.endless-sphere.com/
That site is the project where I was going to try and condense all the good info and put it up online in a more "encyclopedia" like format. Now that I have more time to spend here, that is one things that will be getting a lot of attention here shortly.
Knight, you are giving yourself a Herculean task and you'll need the judgement of Solomon to decide what to put in and what to leave out. I thought about this alot when it was raised originally, and my conclusion was that it's just too much work and that a good search facility (which we have) and a comprehensive archive covers most of what you would get from a wiki. That's not to discourage you at all, but just to say that I think you're giving yourself too much to do.
Another point to think about is this: A forum will get oceans of daft suggestions, irrelevant entries, but these have value often in sparking off more sensible ideas in other folk. Pruning is only going to remove this brainstorming seed-corn. As long as you can afford the disk space to keep it, keep it. Just my two pence worth.
 
I had to think pretty hard on this one too. And I also think it's pretty hard to do choosing, aside from Justins ride, and his talk about it. Maybe next fall there will be some similar rides made to go with it. My first thought was the duct tape thread, but really, it's almost obsolete now. We were really groping around just one year ago.

But there are some things we need, and threads need to be created for it, in the technical reference section. A few examples, and some may be there already, How to diagnose a dead cell in a duct tape lifepo4. How to replace a cell in a DT battery. How to program your CA or watt meter. How to interpret the Ebikes -ca simulator. How to choose a hubmotor, not which to choose which is pretty opinion based, but maybe just some guidelines about what the capabilities of various types are in general. So a noob could look at it and go OK a 250 watt 24v motor will do thus, and 36v 500watt motor will do thus, and a 1000 watt 48v motor will do thus, in general. Just some ballpark idea of what to expect since the typical ebay retailers selling text is pretty, er, optomistic? Of course Justins website is a great place to send a noob to read.

The search is great, but once you say pingbattery or duct tape, you get a few hits to wade through. The tech reference section is already really really good, but it just needs a few gaps filled, where we get a lot of the same questions every month.
 
knightmb said:
In case it was not know, the general discussion areas of all forums "clean" out topics that are older than 1 year of inactivity, so that's why if any good ones have been buried, we will have a way to preserve them.

If ALL messages and content were archived as ZIPs whatever and left available for download with a nominal payment via paypal or credit card, that would be nice (profit for ES.) I think some of the work that ppl here are doing is historic.
Tks
Lock
 
Lock said:
knightmb said:
In case it was not know, the general discussion areas of all forums "clean" out topics that are older than 1 year of inactivity, so that's why if any good ones have been buried, we will have a way to preserve them.

If ALL messages and content were archived as ZIPs whatever and left available for download with a nominal payment via paypal or credit card, that would be nice (profit for ES.) I think some of the work that ppl here are doing is historic.
Tks
Lock
That had come up, except that those that contribute to the topics end up not getting anything, which could lead to some really mixed feelings about the place. It's always a challenge to balance out making enough money to pay for itself, but not so much that it seems that we are just profiting off of others while doing nothing in return. :?
 
knightmb said:
...those that contribute to the topics end up not getting anything
...while I will suggest there are others forms of "profit" that cannot be measured in monetary terms, yet are often more valuable to humankind. That the ppl that contribute so much to ES still "profit", even "only" by constructive criticism/feedback. Still of value, most should admit.

And I did use the "nominal" word in the hope and expectation that the process could be fully automated to afford ES/you more time in the sun/at the beach/on the water...
:)
tks
Lok
 
This is an interesting topic for discussion.

I, for one, am very thankful for this forum. It is a great place to hang out.

I like the topic layout as is, though I also agree an archive location of some sort for classic threads would be great.

I try to be careful on issues like this because I am building drive units for sale and have sold some through this forum, though I am not a financially contributing member. I am also responsible for some of the confusion over the last year with all the RC stuff. Never-the-less, I am very thankful for this forum.

If I had to nominate a thread for archiving, it would be Justin's trek across Canada. Very cool. 8)

Matt
 
discussions are locked when the powers that be decides they are becoming negative. there may be valid points in the discussion before it goes toxic. personally i believe there is useful information in some locked discussions and making sure it is just thrown out after a year by preventing further input is not my idea of free exchange of ideas. censorship after a year is still censorship.
 
TylerDurden said:
IIRC, only the threads in the general section self prune. It might be that locked threads are excluded from pruning anyway.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8655&p=131804&#p131804

thanks for the link to that thread, i had not seen it. with virtually infinite storage space readily available, it does not seem to me that ANYTHING relevant to electric vehicle technology should EVER be pruned from the archives unless there is judgment by a court that is libel or slander or pornographic. There is too much information there that people can use as they see fit.

if there is a need to segregate locked threads maybe they could be placed together in their own section? i feel strongly that if one user starts a thread that has useful information and another user takes it in a direction that gets it locked the information should not be just thrown away because nobody can access it and reset the delete counter function.
 
I tend to regard the moderation of topics and users as a function of signal/noise. When the good info is overwhelmed, it is sometimes better to break off and reconnect on a parallel path.

Just like epic threads, the locked threads that have useful information are easily found by using the search tools; including the external google advanced-search, which can search for strings and exclusions within a domain:
Code:
"flux capacitor" -buttmunch site:endless-sphere.com/forums
 
TylerDurden said:
I tend to regard the moderation of topics and users as a function of signal/noise. When the good info is overwhelmed, it is sometimes better to break off and reconnect on a parallel path.

yeah, that's what the CIA says about the stuff they redact from your file. they tell you it was either useless or you can easily get it by some obscure unknown function of the system.

don't misunderstand; i think tim and richard are doing a great job and providing a wonderful service. i know everything is open for discussion, and i don't want to sidetrack this thread so i will say no more on this.
 
I suspect one day the "delta-mode" eureka thread and the ebike drag-racing threads will be epic, or at least historic. There are some very bright and creative people around here...
 
IMO, nothing should be pruned, ever, from ES panels.
That right of removal should best be reserved for authors, forever,
to correct, or to take their toys and go home if they quit in a snit.

There is much of technical value, arcane information. I'm font of old-time crap.
No-one remembers stuff purely thrown away.

Thank goodness for Google Book Search for learning of painters' history, for instance.
I did not have GBS when I was learning. Paint technology books are extremely rare.
You can download, for free, a major book which ALL of the old book sellers were selling for about $600
back when I really needed that book.
I paid... that price then. Today: it is FREE, online.

I also have an original, ca. 1875 pamphlet-book by a then-famed varnish maker.
All their open secrets, revealed.
It is not online, but should be, for it is utterly fascinating and also written with many humorous touches
and comical cartoons and chapter headings: it was for the practical man, and why he should use a brand name paint or varnish, such as MURPHY'S, only.

Do not clean your brushes.
Hang them in cans of turps.
Do not remove more from the container than a tin handled cup will hold;
never put used varnish back into the can.
Avoid dust. Dust, dust! The roads were all dirt. The horses raised dust.
The flies in the hot season were raised by foodstuffs and horse dung:
screen your painting room. Wet the floor. Make your painters work almost nude,
except in winter when you really should shut down the shop.

When Mr. Customer brings in his buggy and says: I want it back in seven days,
advise him to go to retarded painter, Mr. Lardhead, down the road, and in thirty days,
come back to the real paint shop.

How to make a profit. How to save your men's health. How to paint rough machinery
decently enough that the paint would stick for longer than it took to just sell the machine.
DON'T paint shop machinery in japan (black). The shop is too dark anyway;
choose white lead, oil, and a touch of black (grey), and coat, dry, rub with cuttlefish,
wash, repaint, a number of coats to fill the castings, and let it all dry hard before the next coat,
or you get check marks and disgruntled buyers.

Colors. How to mix colors. Utilitarian finishes. Why white lead is NOT the supreme paint.
Why some lead is useful in almost all paints and varnishes: as a polymerizer and drier.

etc, etc. Weeks can be spent reading. Years can be spent learning. I've done both,
including making antique varnish, including lead drier, from scratch, in gallon batches,
at temperatures nearing five hundred degrees: dangerous, exothermic reactions and flash fire possible.
The lead had no aff..ee..eeffect on my bwain.

:wink:

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Point: please do not auto-prune. Readers in ten years and more from now will thank you.
I know my ashes will be grateful, as I do not plan to be sifted at the crematorium.

t.y., r.
 
I Nominate this as an epic topic. :D

Has this been said before in here or should I bother looking? :lol:

Erm never mind. :wink:

Oops two pages, not epic enough yet.

I checked. :oops:
 
Hi,

knightmb said:
As the subject says, nominate some really long, yet very usual topics, so can move them to the epic topic section to better preserve the information within them.

In case it was not know, the general discussion areas of all forums "clean" out topics that are older than 1 year of inactivity, so that's why if any good ones have been buried, we will have a way to preserve them.

What about moving some topics, with useful information, from GD to a relevant non-self-pruning forum?

For example this thread about CNC has some useful (IMO) info:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10871
Buying CNC mini-mill
 
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