Fat Tire Hi Power Off Road Spec Opinion or Advise

tjgaryiv60

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Need advise or opinion please read. You guys are the experts. Not me.
I am building a new fat tire hi power off road machine. My goal is to have enough power to tackle most terrain including
Florida sugar sand. I want to be able to get deep in the woods for hunting and possibly pull a hog out with a small trailer.
The motor is a Mxus rear direct drive rated up to 5000 watts. The battery is 20s 4p 26650 3.7v 5000ma cells 72v nominal
40a bms continuous 120a maximum. The controller is a " vector " chinese 24 mosfet 80 amp maximum output. It is questionable.
I have not powered it up yet. It is huge and heavy 300 mm long and about 2 kgs plus. I will try this with your advice without a cycle
analyst. Just wired directly with a simple digital volt meter and thumb throttle. No power switch. I wired the little red main ignition
wire from the controller directly to the controllers main red positive. Power on off is just a simple connection directly to battery with Anderson
50 amp connectors. On the bike I did install a Grin Technologies torque arm. I installed a front gas / air adjustable suspension shock and
seat post shock with cushy seat. Frame steel hard tail looks strong heavy and heavy duty. Brakes are questionable mechanical disc. If brakes
are crap I have been reading about Magura MT4. At least for the front. Any suggestions on brakes. The tires are knobby 4.5 in Fat Tire .

My previous build had all the above except the bike was a diamondback with 2.5 in balloon Maxxis tires,
controller was only a 40 amp and it did not have enough power thru deep sand. The controller would get hot and shut down. Let it cool down
and go again. It rode about 35 mph safe and comfy on open trails and about 45 mph on the paved road . It had linear pull brakes with big
kool stop mountain pads never an issue it could lock em up at any speed. Disc brakes are much more fickle and trouble. Not available
on fat tire frames / front air gas shock setups.
Mainly looking again for pulling power not speed. Let me know .Thanks
 
To plow a fattie through deep sand you need a mid drive, not a single ratio hub motor. I ride BBSHD equipped 26" fattie and it's pretty good on 40T chain ring. 30-36T might be even better?
 
Thanks
My concern was a mid drive and or chain would get hung up on brush tall grass sticks logs etc.
Second issue in Florida is water.The battery / controller on my bikes is stored high in a
rear rack waterproof lock box. The rear DD motor and axle is sealed with rubber silicone.
Sometimes you got to go thru water / mud up to 2 ft deep. Lift the legs up lean back and let er rip
till you get the other side. If too deep you get off and push it thru. I thought a low mount mid drive
might not like this kind of abuse . I was almost there on my last build. I thought going to fatties, front
air / gas suspension and an 80 amp controller would do it. Comment ?
 
Good points and 'can say I pick vegetation from my mid-drive system every once in a while. All it would take is a sturdy little branch jammed into the derailleur and prove to be a much bigger problem. One of my BBS02 bikes sucked up a thick trash bag and the power from the chain ring destroyed the rear derailleur. It got me home but it was FUBAR.

Properly sealed BBSHD might survive fording high water but I wouldn’t bank on it? No way Version A BBS02 can be submerged even briefly.

OTOH, if single ratio motor/drive wheel is unable to plow through thick stuff, it doesn’t matter how waterproof or immune from debris it is?
 
Have you thought about adding a smaller geared hub to the front wheel?
While coming at low cost, money and weight wise, it might be able to literally pull you out of the mud when you need to.
Something like Q100H 48V overvolted to you system voltage, limited inside controller to about 12-15A, will only add about 2.5 kg to you bike. (Guess you will need something a little wider if its a real fatbike, so this is just ment as direction. But quite sure there are similar motors around that would fit.)
 
Mistermnt

That is a good idea I thought of that but I can tell from my current bike 72v 40a controller 3000w motor with 2.5 in balloon Maxxis
tires it was struggling to power thru the soft sand. It would bury deeper and require more power to pull thru it. If this bike was like
The bike can only go "fattie" so far 4.5 in tires and is heavy. A light setup could float right over the sand but I need raw pulling power.
This width is definitely better than the 2.5 in balloon Maxxis tires I am currently running. But I have added weight to the new bike.
The motor and wheel is about 24 lbs, battery 18 lbs, controller 4 lbs, bike about 40 lbs I come up with about 85 lbs total. Heavy beast.
My goal was more raw pulling power to get me thru patches of the deep stuff. I'm not talking climbing sand dunes just 100 yard or so
stretches. I was informed my battery rated at 72v 20ah with a BMS 40a continuous 120a instant is under amps for this controller.
I have two of these batteries. BIG QUESTION Can I connect these two battery packs in parallel to increase my amps or will the BMS still
limit it to only 40 amps. Will it pull 40 amps from one and 40 amps from the other and give me 80 amps combined ? If yes now I got to
configure how to mount the second battery inside the triangle part of frame. Weight now would be 105 lbs. Big Heavy Beast.
If I can run two batteries and get 80 amps of power without pushing the system my next idea was to configure a small flat trailer
with balloon tires to pull a hog up to 150 lbs out of the woods during hunting season. I leave the deer alone if any Bambi readers.

Here are the links for the controller battery and motor I have chosen.


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/72v-84v-96v-3000w-Vector-Controller-3kw-24-MOS-Electric-Car-Controller-Electric-Hub-Motor-Wheel/32798248675.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.k8rPGJ

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MXUS-V3-3000W-brushless-no-gear-hub-motor-for-rear-electric-bike-electric-bicycle/32649215681.html?spm=2114.10010108.100009.2.gmmxLL&traffic_analysisId=recommend_2037_null_null_null&scm=1007.13482.37805.0&pvid=a868ae81-7778-4e93-a141-ed45265ebbe7&tpp=1

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Powerful-2880W-Lithium-Battery-72V-20AH-EBike-Battery-Pack-Used-26650-20S4P-Cell-Li-Ion-Battery/32698048671.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.k8rPGJ

Thanks if any reply from you guys.
 
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