formula101's Covid-19 topic

[formula101]

"repeated intelligence community warnings about a coronavirus outbreak" LMAO

US coronavirus deaths: 1,000
US automobile deaths: 31,000
US Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

Keep spreading misinfo, clown!

The Coronavirus Is the Worst Intelligence Failure in U.S. History, and It's All Trump's Fault

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-worst-intelligence-failure-us-history-covid-19

 

[larsb]

Kinda hard to react properly when there’s a guy in charge that craps on science on a daily basis.

Let’s hope it doesn’t go so far that he sends everyone with an academic degree out on the corn fields as a part of some ”great leap forward”

Chairman Trump, our great leader

 

[john61ct]

Trump is not a helpless and innocent bystander to the coronavirus pandemic, stumbling and bumbling over his own two feet as he tries his level best to help out the American people, and the news media are not doing their jobs portraying him that way. He’s the president of the United States, a position that affords him a wealth of material, financial, and political resources to help mitigate both the spread of the virus and the economic toll of preventive measures on vulnerable people. That he has not done so is no accident. 

Disbanding a pandemic response team and leaving the nation vulnerable just to spite a prior president is a choice. Refusing to use the full powers of the Defense Production Act to ramp up production of desperately needed medical supplies is a choice. Pivoting to racism against Asian Americans and anti-immigrant rhetoric in response to criticism is a choice. Prioritizing the short-term health of the stock market over human lives by scheming to prematurely end social distancing is a choice.

Nothing about these responses can reasonably be characterized as just a clumsy or awkward mishandling of the situation. Rather, they reflect the administration’s knowing and intentional prioritization of Trump’s own business interests and reelection chances over the health and safety of the people he’s responsible for. News outlets’ reliance on terms that diminish his intentionality and culpability—like “bungled” or its similarly popular cousin, “botched”—perpetuate misunderstanding of where responsibility lies for this crisis. It’s a misunderstanding that will only benefit Trump should he ever be called to account for his actions.

 

[goatman]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/03/25/are-woke-politicians-partially-to-blame-for-the-horrific-wuhan-coronavirus-outb-n2565721

what does Italy and New York have in common?

 

[larsb]

It tires me to read stuff like that link. Wuhan virus? Next time it’s born in the US. I guess some will call it the democrat virus then. Or canuck virus, we can always blame those frockers.

Doesn’t make a difference. People will still get sick, some will die. It’s a virus, you know? It won’t be over next week in the US either even though the chairman says so.

 

[Dauntless]

what does Italy and New York have in common?

The two greatest strongholds of Italians in the whole world. PIZZA!

. . . .I've predicted all major events of this past month alone.

I warned everyone this would happen.

I have predicted everything that has come to pass.

Oh, right, also a lot of long unwashed psychos on street corners screaming that they know everything. Who don't look like anyone we want to listen to.

 

[goatman]

It tires me to read stuff like that link. Wuhan virus? Next time it’s born in the US. I guess some will call it the democrat virus then. Or canuck virus, we can always blame those frockers.

Doesn’t make a difference. People will still get sick, some will die. It’s a virus, you know? It won’t be over next week in the US either even though the chairman says so.

did we just beat your team at hockey?

I agree. it breaks out in china and most of the world is caught off guard
why was the world caught off guard?
it seems china lied and were running around doing a blame game.
why did they lie? don't know
I personally don't like the Criminal Chinese Communists, they came into our country and laundered billions of dollars through our real estate markets,and they've done a lot of harm to some of our natural resource sectors. ive got nothing against the Chinese people. I just think its time to start severing our ties to china

 

[markz]

No virus' have started in North America as its a clean continent. Where the virus' are starting off from are places like in Africa and China where the cleanliness is not that great at all.

 

[JackFlorey]

No virus' have started in North America as its a clean continent.

You never heard of H1N1? Wow.

 

[markz]

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/information_h1n1_virus_qa.htm

circulating among pigs from Eurasia.1, 2 The mixing of live pigs from Eurasia and North America through international trade or other means could have created the circumstances necessary for influenza viruses from North American and Eurasian pigs to mix. In fact, a 2009 study in Nature demonstrated that reassortant influenza viruses with genes from North American and Eurasian pigs were found in samples collected from pigs in Hong Kong as early as 2004.2*

 

[JackFlorey]

The mixing of live pigs from Eurasia and North America through international trade or other means could have created the circumstances necessary for influenza viruses from North American and Eurasian pigs to mix.

Yep. And it then appeared . . . in the US, from US hogs. So the 2009 H1N1 contagion came from the US. (Or perhaps we could call it the American virus?)

 

[jonescg]

A few folks are saying things like "so what if it kills 1000 people - more people die of XXX per year". Well let's explore the ethics then.

Take Australia - population 25,700,000.
Last year, 327,000 people were born.
Last year, 238,300 people migrated to Australia. This is net (total in less total out)

Last year, 160,000 people died.

Of those 160,000, 17,500 died from heart disease, 3100 died due to pneumonia/influenza 1100 died in car crashes, 3000 from suicide, and a long list of other awful things. The pneumonia deaths were spread across the full year, with many victims being folks who might have died of something else that same year.

If COV19 kills 1000 this year, that's ~170,000 deaths this year.

Now, the difference between a COV19 death and a road trauma death is preventability and responsibility. If we decided that from now on, the highway speed limit will be 60 km/h and it will be enforced with gusto, we know for a fact the road toll would plummet to a few hundred. Lives saved! Why aren't we doing this? Well it's not just because it would take 24 hours to drive from Brisbane to Sydney. A life lost on the road is the result of personal choices. Someone made the choice to drive recklessly. Someone made the choice to drive tired. Someone made the choice to travel at 110 km/h on a wet road with wildlife crossing.

However with a communicable disease, your choices are far more distant from the outcomes. It's possible to cause the death of another by unknowingly spreading the disease. Being out and about while carrying the disease might, or might not, cause an infection which might, or might not result in death. It's utterly un-knowable at the micro scale, but completely predictable at the macro scale.

So should we grind our economy to a screeching halt to prevent the deaths of 1000 people? The options are clear. Do so, and save 1000 lives. Do it half-arsed (like Australia is currently) and you might only save a handful. Let the economy crack on, and you will probably see tens of thousands die as our hospitals are overwhelmed.

These are conscious decisions to prevent the unconscious killing of others.

 

[markz]

People are selfish and they wont drive 60kph on a flat, open, straight road. Sure it WILL save lives.

I have read stories of letting the economy move on, letting people die. Some balancing act, how much changes to allow vs what businesses to open up. A dilemma for sure. Not sure of the answer, who's choice is it. People are sneezing on produce on purpose, sneezing on people. Human nature at its finest.

 

[John in CR]

So should we grind our economy to a screeching halt to prevent the deaths of 1000 people? The options are clear. Do so, and save 1000 lives. Do it half-arsed (like Australia is currently) and you might only save a handful. Let the economy crack on, and you will probably see tens of thousands die as our hospitals are overwhelmed.

Don't forget to include in the equation how many more will die as a result of crashing the world's economy. On the flip side of that is how many fewer will die and other benefits to the world will result from improved air and water quality resulting from continuation of the current half-arsed quarantine measures. There's also the benefits that can't be measured by potentially changing people's views in that regard by clear demonstration of the benefits to our planet of keeping cars parked.

These are quite interesting avenues of discussion, and here's another. Since covid-19 deaths are so concentrated in the elderly, then it's readily apparent that structuring measures to protect primarily the elderly while allowing the virus to burn itself out in the majority of the population could be the best option both economically and in terms of saving lives. With a relatively small commitment we could both protect the elderly and improve their quality of life at a cost far less than the economic bust sure to result from the current approach, which in IMO will only delay deaths, not prevent any. Since a person can be contagious for up to almost 2 weeks before showing symptoms there's no way this virus can be contained without 100% testing and strict quarantine of those infected, and there's no government that can be trusted to administer such a program without abusing that power.

Plus there's the risk of the virus mutating into a much more deadly strain before 100% testing or a vaccine can be developed. I really think sheltering the elderly in place as well as any other groups with high mortality, and get the virus over and done with in the remaining majority population is probably the best course of action at this point. Only China had the means and political and social structure to make a strict quarantine work, but that opportunity passed in late December/early January.

 

[JackFlorey]

Since covid-19 deaths are so concentrated in the elderly, then it's readily apparent that structuring measures to protect primarily the elderly while allowing the virus to burn itself out in the majority of the population could be the best option both economically and in terms of saving lives.

"The elderly with compromised health" are the people who cannot live by themselves; they often need constant care. And by letting the virus run wild in the population, they will get infected by the people who care for them.

Remember, you can be completely asymptomatic and be a carrier.

With a relatively small commitment we could both protect the elderly and improve their quality of life at a cost far less than the economic bust sure to result from the current approach, which in IMO will only delay deaths, not prevent any.

That's the goal - delay them so that we don't overwhelm the medical system in the US.

Since a person can be contagious for up to almost 2 weeks before showing symptoms there's no way this virus can be contained without 100% testing and strict quarantine of those infected, and there's no government that can be trusted to administer such a program without abusing that power.

China did it. South Korea did it. Surely we can do as well. Test EVERYONE - and then determine who is immune to which strain. If they are now immune to the strains in their area, they can go back to work.

Would that be expensive and hard? You bet. Compare the cost of that to the cost of shutting down the world economy for six months.

Plus there's the risk of the virus mutating into a much more deadly strain before 100% testing or a vaccine can be developed.

Exactly. By quarantining and isolating everyone now, we can delay the mutation of that deadly strain until we have 100% testing and/or vaccines. Slowing down the progression of this disease will do wonders.

 

[jonescg]

The (highly repugnant) point of view that the elderly could 'take one for the team' would set a dangerous precedent.
The idea in the UK was to build up a level of immunity in the first instance, but they soon worked out the longer term implications of letting the virus run rampant and thankfully backed out. How many lives were lost due to that cock-up I wonder?

 

[Dauntless]

Most of the posts have been scrubbed (unlike the hoax virus which can remain alive indefinitely on any surface at any temperature), but look at all of the death threats from the psychotic liberals like John 61 in Connecticut, hongkongvirus2k, armannd and so on.

It reveals their obsession with death, not surprising considering the fact that they are controlled by Satan worshiping pedophiles like the Clintons and Bidens.

Are you sure those death threats aren't just delusions and that's why you can't find them to relive the fun? I mean you yourself dismissed John as too old and decrepit to be any real menace, except maybe falling on you. Say, why don't you link up those posts you say had the death threats in them so we can see if they've been edited. . . .

 

[HK12K]

I think his ratcheting up of the batshit is an attempt to deflect scrutiny. He started out talking like he was a man of science, of intellect, showing his sources and attempting to convince others. Fast forward a dozen pages, half of the room is suspicious of his motives and suddenly he goes completely off the deep end. Hoping that no one on a position to do so is going to bother wasting time looking into a loon. Subterfuge.

 

[Dauntless]

Shhhhhh. You're offering him a better explanation that he has of his own.

 

[formula101]

It's hilarious that their death threats are boomeranging back to them. Kharma.

Most of the posts have been scrubbed (unlike the hoax virus which can remain alive indefinitely on any surface at any temperature), but look at all of the death threats from the psychotic liberals like John 61 in Connecticut, hongkongvirus2k, armannd and so on.

It reveals their obsession with death, not surprising considering the fact that they are controlled by Satan worshiping pedophiles like the Clintons and Bidens.

Are you sure those death threats aren't just delusions and that's why you can't find them to relive the fun? I mean you yourself dismissed John as too old and decrepit to be any real menace, except maybe falling on you. Say, why don't you link up those posts you say had the death threats in them so we can see if they've been edited. . . .

 

[formula101]

No facts. You've all been proven wrong about your horses#t shittmyexicanbeerhoaxvirus being real.

I'll leave you all to rot in fear as you choose.

I think his ratcheting up of the batshit is an attempt to deflect scrutiny. He started out talking like he was a man of science, of intellect, showing his sources and attempting to convince others. Fast forward a dozen pages, half of the room is suspicious of his motives and suddenly he goes completely off the deep end. Hoping that no one on a position to do so is going to bother wasting time looking into a loon. Subterfuge.

 

[John in CR]

Since a person can be contagious for up to almost 2 weeks before showing symptoms there's no way this virus can be contained without 100% testing and strict quarantine of those infected, and there's no government that can be trusted to administer such a program without abusing that power.

China did it. South Korea did it. Surely we can do as well. Test EVERYONE - and then determine who is immune to which strain. If they are now immune to the strains in their area, they can go back to work.

Would that be expensive and hard? You bet. Compare the cost of that to the cost of shutting down the world economy for six months.

Plus there's the risk of the virus mutating into a much more deadly strain before 100% testing or a vaccine can be developed.

Exactly. By quarantining and isolating everyone now, we can delay the mutation of that deadly strain until we have 100% testing and/or vaccines. Slowing down the progression of this disease will do wonders.

It's already been over a month and due to delayed response in the US and much of Europe, I think 6 months is optimistic. At this point in some areas, such as here in Costa Rica, the response may have been swift enough to get out in front of this thing. It's occurring at exactly the wrong time for this country from an economic point of view, so even the current short duration of efforts will have severe economic consequences.

Our family has always been a believer in the get it over with early approach like with chickenpox. Sure this one is different and a different approach specific to the elderly and any other high risk groups needs to be implemented. eg get them quarantined and have all caregivers tested to maintain good protection, but act NOW, not a month from now. It's already too late for the slow things down approach to buy time and make the hard decisions later.

 

[formula101]

Meanwhile everything I've predicted has come to pass:

1. quarantine
2. martial law
3. all suspension of civil rights (far worse than China)
4. rapid transition to digital currency

markz has taken up my talking points about lack of coroner's reports and autopsies.

You all are dying from fear and hyper elevated cortisol while I research rationally and have found practical solutions.

 

[formula101]

Nice science fiction dialogue you two bozos have going on there lol.

This virus is a hoax.

Since a person can be contagious for up to almost 2 weeks before showing symptoms there's no way this virus can be contained without 100% testing and strict quarantine of those infected, and there's no government that can be trusted to administer such a program without abusing that power.

China did it. South Korea did it. Surely we can do as well. Test EVERYONE - and then determine who is immune to which strain. If they are now immune to the strains in their area, they can go back to work.

Would that be expensive and hard? You bet. Compare the cost of that to the cost of shutting down the world economy for six months.

Plus there's the risk of the virus mutating into a much more deadly strain before 100% testing or a vaccine can be developed.

Exactly. By quarantining and isolating everyone now, we can delay the mutation of that deadly strain until we have 100% testing and/or vaccines. Slowing down the progression of this disease will do wonders.

It's already been over a month and due to delayed response in the US and much of Europe, I think 6 months is optimistic. At this point in some areas, such as here in Costa Rica, the response may have been swift enough to get out in front of this thing. It's occurring at exactly the wrong time for this country from an economic point of view, so even the current short duration of efforts will have severe economic consequences.

Our family has always been a believer in the get it over with early approach like with chickenpox. Sure this one is different and a different approach specific to the elderly and any other high risk groups needs to be implemented. eg get them quarantined and have all caregivers tested to maintain good protection, but act NOW, not a month from now. It's already too late for the slow things down approach to buy time and make the hard decisions later.

 

[HK12K]

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