Galileo/Newton agree-- 9/11 was an inside job!

Same path here. I was a punker anarchist when I was a kid, read everything, but a few years of the american dream ground it out of me for a while. I woke up to my own slavery one day, read/watched the same stuff, and now, I'm at the same point with politics as I am with physics. Once you get to the bottom of things, all any of it is, is magic words. If we aren't watching it, it can't happen so we can't watch it.... Live the change you wish to see in the world.....Be the hero of your own movie.....Always wipe from back to front...or wait....is it front to back? ;) :shock:

Basically, if even a tenth of conspiracy theories are true, the only hope I have for humanity is a full awakening and paradigm shift, and soon. All we can do in the meantime is have the most fun we can getting ready for it. When a person sees someone doing fun stuff, they're much more likely to want to do it too.

My plan is: Get off grid, sustainable, and stable, asap. Build awesome stuff. Make new friends. Maybe even figure out how to get some non profit/antiprofit projects going? To me, an antiprofit is a collaborative organization that makes profit obsolete. Anyone want to help start a hackerspace/hostel/free school? I found a nice location! http://tucson.craigslist.org/reo/4986626628.html My part in the organization could be coming in every few weeks and telling everyone they're doing everything wrong. :lol:
 
Cost a hell of a lot less in the long run. And in some ways, you can finance it as you go.


Example: ( This works if you can find a remote job and have some quasi-decent credit. ) get a loan for a $1000-$5000 RV, Bus, or Van. Boondock and live for a year for free in it. Boom, you've saved a crapton of money on rent and utilities. Now, the RV or Van is paid off and you have some extra capital saved by not paying rent.

You can now finance a piece of land. Park your spartan 'home' on it for now, and gradually build the home of your dreams on that land. For a quicker pay off, subdivide the land and sell smaller chunks of it to people who want to do the same. There are a variety of ways to build small off-grid homes on the cheap. Most of these ways will require shipping containers or recycled materials. There are dozens of youtube channels devoted to this sort of thing.

If you are smart, are capable and willing to do the research beforehand, and make slightly above minimum wage, you can pull this off. If you roll the numbers, you'll realize that what is less feasible is to pay rent all your life, or a mortgage for 30 years. Once this is all paid off, your cost of living will be dramatically lower than that of your average wage slave.

Or you could just boondock in a nicer RV indefinetely. There are a lot of people who do it full time. They will never pay property tax or rent again in their lives.

And once you have your independence, you can stop worrying so much about the worsening financial/military situation here in the United States. You will be MUCH more resilient than your average city dweller.

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These kids are smarter than you and me :lol:
 
I've been off grid and "job" free and "home" free for a long time now. I've lived in buses, vans, military 6x6's, rv's, earthships, pickup trucks, hammock tents, etc., anything to escape the consumer/renter/mortgage paradigm. The land I just scored has a 10x12 shed on it that's been insulated and has all of the amenities of a normal home, including 1100 watts of solar. When I get moved down there, any interaction with civilization will be completely voluntary. Since I ultimately don't believe in owning land or building permanent structures on it, I'm still working on my solar electric/pedal powered camper trike that's built from recycled and sustainable materials. When its done, it will be my home, and the land will become a home base/permaculture campground where cool people can come and learn to be sustainable, sovereign beings. I'll definitely post the build here when I get it done. I'd do a build thread but I have a specific artistic vision for it and I don't want to warp it with other people's input.

Here's a little video of my most recent setup. For less than $200, all my needs except for transportation are easily met, and I've still got working legs for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUafTa7VSzQ

Those kids almost have it figured out. They give me hope for the future!
 
nicobie said:
Don't forget about those pesky building codes and zoning rules....
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If you can get away with violating them though, do it to your heart's content.

There are 3 sets of building codes IMHO, organized by era and intent:

Pre-1970's - most of these codes are designed with ensuring safety and building integrity in mind.

1970's - due to the oil/energy crisis, a lot of codes written during this era were designed to increase building efficiency by sealing up buildings more, etc. Unfortunately, all this sealing with low airflow in buildings such as these tend to create humidity buildup and the potential for mold issues.

Post 1970's - A lot of these rules seem to have been designed to increase the quality of construction, yet these come with large price and complexity increases. Builders have responded by using cheaper materials and less of them, ultimately lowering construction costs, yet the complexity still increases the price. Another side effect is that it has became incredibly difficult for an average person to build a home now, and so generally, only large firms are able to build them and sell them. These are the most nefarious of the rules, and large industry probably helped write them.

Imagine if we had extreme building codes on our ebikes and you had to get your bike looked over with a fine tooth comb by government before operating it. You'd have to get multiple permits and licenses that would take time and money to obtain. Imagine you wanted one thing, but your cost was doubled by adding on stuff government wanted on your bike. You'd probably not be building your own ebike, and would buy one from a large corporation pre-built because it would be too much of a hassle. Much like a car.

That's basically where it is with houses. You are kind of forced to build one style of house. Much like how you couldn't build a car with 5 wheels or a hyper-aerodynamic shape. These codes limit innovation in the name of sometimes a false sense of safety.
Example: if i wanted to build a dome house in a hurricane prone area, the codes designed around safety would work against me, probably to the point of preventing me from doing it. If i managed to build a dome, my house would be the last one standing in the area.

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There are some areas with no building codes. RVs have no building codes. There is still freedom to be had. You just have to find where it is. You STILL can escape being enslaved to a 30 year mortgage with awful terms. Do it while you still can.
 
neptronix said:
Example: if i wanted to build a dome house in a hurricane prone area, the codes designed around safety would work against me, probably to the point of preventing me from doing it. If i managed to build a dome, my house would be the last one standing in the area.
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I built a geodesic dome all-weather tent that I live in during the summers on my land the beautiful rolling hills of central Massachusetts. I enquired about building that and the what codes, if any, might be appicable. Took awhile getting an answer, but it was interesting, and useful. I asked the question when does a tent become a building, so subject to the code. Answer - if it has foundation. So I build a geodesic out of 2 x 4, covered it with a surplus army parachute, treated it for UV, didn't put it on a foundation, tiled it inside with bluestone. Its not a house - its a tent. Spent about $2,000. Half of that was the bluestone. Didn't jack up my taxes. No insurance. But its really a house and more comfortable than. Triple envelope as there is a large dome tent inside the outer shell. Inside that is a small dome tent that is covered with wool blankets that I sleep in. So to stay warm in the winter, I heat with a 250 watt radiant heater and stay snuggly warm.
 
Cool :mrgreen:

Yup, you can do that... but if you build it as your primary building, you're gonna run into trouble quick.
The bankers, government, and builders want their cut of your income for 30 years. So they're gonna try to force you into that as hard as they can. The trick is to find the holes in that plot. There are still some holes.

I'd love to live right in a hurricane-prone area with a dome house. The problem is that everyone else is too stupid to build one, so i'd be the last man standing in my town... kind of a problem :lol:
 
Let me help you.

Occam's Razor

Secondly, spending your time watching others' conspiracy theories while you conjure your own special analysis is just a waste of time, and does nothing for your mental health.

Unless you're going to benefit personally or professionally from such thoughts, move on to something useful in your life. And if you cannot do that, volunteer your time helping others.. It's worth it.
 
Eclectic said:
Unfortunately we (Baby Boomers) are also of the same generation that tripled the world population, tripled the definition of the “American Dream”, and quintupled the amount of resources that each person used. We were the ones who decided that the answer was to just make everyone rich (let them eat cake). With that concept as our mantra, our generation also orchestrated a massive redistribution wealth that resulted in a major worldwide economic collapse. Oh and did I mention the US has been involved in 14 international conflict since Viet Nam. So much has happened under our stewardship.

We started out so young, naive and altruistic. But as we aged, we turned cynical, selfish and protective of our hard fought prosperity (not everyone, especially not me :lol: , but the majority).

It’s just human nature I guess. If it wasn’t for selfishness (fortunately we are capable of empathy too), we wouldn’t be the dominate species on the planet (at least for the moment).

One opinion of mine that has not changed, “Too many people and not enough to go around”. If the world population was 10% of the current population (0.75 billion) or had even leveled off when I was born, many of the problems the world currently faces wouldn’t have happened or would have had a lesser impact. That way eTrike, ErnestoA, Punx0r, arkmundi, the capitalist and the hippie (and all the other living things on this planet) would all have enough space and resources to live their lives the way they see fit (selfish or selfless).
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It's all very true, but I will tell you many did want to live a sustainable life clean of electric can openers and destroying the environment... They wanted everyone to be treated equally, and women to have equal opportunity.. They fought and thought they won those rights that should be granted to every American.

Those values receded when they wanted more for their own lives and for their families. And the boomer generation turned into the greatest consumers the world has ever seen... Now too many beleive they deserve a life of luxury and $10 service from a nail salon holding their employees as slaves downstairs.

And the same will happen to whatever this generation is called.. Once they finally get their foot into a good career, all those glorious ideals will be overtaken by their innate need for MORE...lol
 
arkmundi said:
neptronix said:
Example: if i wanted to build a dome house in a hurricane prone area, the codes designed around safety would work against me, probably to the point of preventing me from doing it. If i managed to build a dome, my house would be the last one standing in the area.
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I built a geodesic dome all-weather tent that I live in during the summers on my land the beautiful rolling hills of central Massachusetts. I enquired about building that and the what codes, if any, might be appicable. Took awhile getting an answer, but it was interesting, and useful. I asked the question when does a tent become a building, so subject to the code. Answer - if it has foundation. So I build a geodesic out of 2 x 4, covered it with a surplus army parachute, treated it for UV, didn't put it on a foundation, tiled it inside with bluestone. Its not a house - its a tent. Spent about $2,000. Half of that was the bluestone. Didn't jack up my taxes. No insurance. But its really a house and more comfortable than. Triple envelope as there is a large dome tent inside the outer shell. Inside that is a small dome tent that is covered with wool blankets that I sleep in. So to stay warm in the winter, I heat with a 250 watt radiant heater and stay snuggly warm.
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That's awesome. :) I used to have a conduit 20 footer with shade cloth and loved it. The codes are full of holes so if you build under a certain square footage, don't have any utilities hooked up to it, and you crap in an approved composting toilet, there's just nothing saying one can't primitive dry camp where I'm going. I also found a piece of legislation that says individual owner builders can opt out of the permitting and inspection process if they meet certain criteria and want to. It says that the law is to encourage the development of more sustainable ways of living, or something to that effect. I've managed to avoid the permit/code process by living simply enough that it doesn't apply for a while now. No reason I can't continue! :D
 
joepah said:
Those values receded when they wanted more for their own lives and for their families. And the boomer generation turned into the greatest consumers the world has ever seen... Now too many believe they deserve a life of luxury and $10 service from a nail salon holding their employees as slaves downstairs.

And the same will happen to whatever this generation is called.. Once they finally get their foot into a good career, all those glorious ideals will be overtaken by their innate need for MORE...lol
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I'll be the first to admit that something went horribly wrong with my generation. Not everyone. And its hard to make blanket statements, but what you say is true. A few of us, a tiny percentage, stayed true to the ethic of our era, that started in the 60's with the counter-culture revolution and had as its media-mime, the hippie. Of course no superficial treatment applies. But take a few pictures of the colourful clothes, long-hair and exposed breasts, tell a good story, and it lives in infamy. The best and worst stories of my miserable sometimes joyful life are trapped back there. I lament that the movements we started, for environmental protections, the preservation of biologic heritage, getting back to the land and simple living, communal living, deep spirituality, opening the 7 chakras and becoming fully human, all of that and more... I lament that it did not become a paradigm shift that cut deep.
 
I will never want to lose hope for the world, or for myself to find and do the right thing.

Yup, building codes are not always applicable. incorporated towns, corporate utilities.
'The Corporation' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ou9rOssPg

Or just go on a utube spree for earthbermed, underground, strawbale, cob, tire, earthbag, or offgrid homes.

Ps, on 911, I still say Dr Judy Wood is the best docu/presentation, although the scientific approach is totally viable imo as well.

Sit down, look at evidence, formulate the proper question before looking for an answer.
 
You guys are awesome, did you know that? The weather has been so crappy out here in Utah that riding or building an ebike has barely came to mind. I primarily come here to chat with you bright folks. Wish i knew more of you in real life!
 
+2 nep! Look me up if you're ever wandering out this way- I'll do the same if I ever get to check out Northwest. Might be as far west as the ozarks this summer to look @ land- Last time I kept going to col springs and nm before blowing up the old wagon, not sure when/if I'll try to pass the rockies again before making a move to the midwest.

Hey, that's another great thing to check out that we are free to do. You literally can setup your own community/town. I've never seen firsthand, but I think one of the terms is 'intentional community'.

The offgrid folks I knew kinda did that with some sort of AmericanIndian group on the pac coast. Think amish community, but of your own design- maybe excluding the dress code and modernizing the faith based stuff.
 
eTrike said:
+1 nep! I think you live close to a personal hero: http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/
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Yeah, i met that guy in person a few times. We have an entire 2 'green' events in the state per year and he's usually there.
But he's a mormon dude and i'm not. Here in Utah, the mormons have this whole 'don't hang out with the outsiders' attitude and we never really managed to make friends.

Yeah, i need to get out of here :lol:

I had a few EV friends in Portland when i was early into this hobby. 99% of my used part sales go to the west coast or east coast though, which is telling!

Nutspecial, i love the idea of intentional communities. I'll hit you up if i'm ever in PA for sure.
 
nutspecial said:
Ps, on 911, I still say Dr Judy Wood is the best docu/presentation, although the scientific approach is totally viable imo as well.
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Nutspecial is right on the money here. I have looked at this from may angles and Dr Judy Wood has the most compelling case for what actually happened here imo. Nut specials link again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqbcsU0_RjU

For those of you who are familiar with John Hutchison's work, this won't be too much of a stretch. Some might boil though... As usual.

There is some seriously compelling stuff in Judy's work. Stuff a lot of folk here would find highly interesting I think.

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Thanks man, that's so great to hear someone else likes her presentation. I've looked at everything I could find pro and con, and I like her's the best.

To me it's like she doesn't try to point fingers, just question, always question. And there's alot to question.
Interesting to me how she got rejected from the formal Truth movement too, no air time for her on cnn and and with alex jones.
 
I have always thought Alex is on the payroll so no surprises there...

Usual story, the 'main stream story' is misinformation and the 'conspiracy theory' is misinformation too.

Dr Judy is a threat to both...

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I watched her for the first time last night. Pretty out there stuff!

I've been following John Hutchison for a long time.
http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/

So, let me get this straight...

Use Haarp to create a hurricane and a cyclone that rotate in opposite directions. Use it to steer them so they sit on top of each other, counter rotating and producing loads of static electricity. Use a space based DEW to create a ground path from the edge of the storm's electrical field through the buildings. Maybe modulate the DEW's frequency so it is in resonance with the materials you'd like to "dustify".... Crazy stuff but it sure explains a lot.

Evil elite,"Hey, we need a good false flag, and we also need to make sure these weapons work. Let's try it on the WTC!, maybe fly some planes into it first so the dumb public will assume that the buildings came down because of the planes."

I hate to say it, but unless civilization collapses soon, some asshole is going to end up making a black hole.... :roll:
 
You guys crack me up. You think everyone in the majority a gullible sheep while being absolutely credulous towards any "alternative" theory.

I suspect you are simply contrarians and nothing more. Being in the minority allows you to feel intelligent and superior.
 
How's the view from your high horse? :mrgreen:
Assuming that we just believe stuff because it's on the contrary is VERY incorrect.

People who thought that Nixon was up to some BS and that the Vietnam war was based on a false flag were also viewed as kooks once. Nixon himself coined the term 'conspiracy theorist' to describe such people. Turned out that the theories were supported by evidence in time - after the damage was done, of course.

Is there something fundamentally wrong with questioning what we've been told? because governments across the world to have this tendency to lie or distort the truth. You eventually find out the truth in a few decades when documents become declassified, or most people who were affected by the event are already dead. Questioning the official story can mean life or death for some.

Let me give you an example of what i'm talking about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

..and here is a big list of past unethical, nonconsensual medical experiments done by government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

These are the kinds of things that create skeptic movements: past behavior of a government.
Do you seriously not understand why people have such a high level of mistrust, punxor?
 
Punx0r said:
You guys crack me up. You think everyone in the majority a gullible sheep while being absolutely credulous towards any "alternative" theory.

I suspect you are simply contrarians and nothing more. Being in the minority allows you to feel intelligent and superior.
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Sometimes, people slip through the epigenetic devolution/ignorant slave indoctrination machine we call civilization and are able to retain their ability to critically think. Oftentimes, these people are intelligent and superior. The evidence that the masses are gullible sheep is is so prevalent that the idea that they're anything other than slave sheeple is laughable. ;)

For the record, the only thing I believe about 9/11 is that it was a false flag. We'll likely never know how it happened, but that's really inconsequential in the end. It is interesting to contemplate though.
 
ErnestoA said:
I watched her for the first time last night. Pretty out there stuff!

I've been following John Hutchison for a long time.
http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/

So, let me get this straight...

Use Haarp to create a hurricane and a cyclone that rotate in opposite directions. Use it to steer them so they sit on top of each other, counter rotating and producing loads of static electricity. Use a space based DEW to create a ground path from the edge of the storm's electrical field through the buildings. Maybe modulate the DEW's frequency so it is in resonance with the materials you'd like to "dustify".... Crazy stuff but it sure explains a lot.

Evil elite,"Hey, we need a good false flag, and we also need to make sure these weapons work. Let's try it on the WTC!, maybe fly some planes into it first so the dumb public will assume that the buildings came down because of the planes."

I hate to say it, but unless civilization collapses soon, some asshole is going to end up making a black hole.... :roll:
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Lol, you said it, not me! Basically she doesn't say it either (that's the point I think- she remains impartial, but the clues are so weird!), but I think it's definitely an idea based on the evidence. The toasted cars and jumpers were weird too, but the shear fact of missing rubble coupled with all that dust is an interesting deal.

I think science fiction is a mislabel in general. Fiction and science together is a misnomer, an oxymoron. Either it's science, theoretical science, or fiction. Doublespeak is already here, watch out! :lol:
 
Occam's razor would suggest that no new or secret technology was at work in the WTC attack, but it would also suggest that 9/11 was a false flag operation.

That's my thinking. No mysterious doomsday weapon, no secret world government. Yes inside job.
 
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