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Geely's 48% efficient hybrid engine

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Interesting design. It's more hybrid-oriented than the Prius in that it has a deeper miller cycle, and the gas motor assists the electric motor, instead of the other way around.

I'm no fan of gas engines, but the powertrain as a whole seems impressive, and this looks like it might be an ideal design for a range extender, so thought i'd mention it anyway.
 
The algorithm has been trying to get me to watch this YT vid for weeks. I finally watched it. The vid talks about problems with hill climbing ability. The video also says Nissan and Toyota have hit similar efficiency numbers. So it is not a technology unique to any one brand.

My commuter for the past few years is a shallow Atkinson of large displacement. Its a great driving car with adequate low rpm power for hill climbs, and good fuel economy. Despite being a non-hybrid. I think the whole 'Atkinson' shortened intake cycle tech, its just going to be a feature included inside every modern ICE vehicle engine from here on out. As it should be. It is good tech. The question is if it is implemented well. Putting a too small displacement ICE inside a heavy hybrid will be a problem on long hill climbs regardless of what design the engine has. I don't think people realize what a huge change it is going from 1.5L to 2.0L to 2.5L, etc. The vehicle makers are being legislated into using engines which are too small IMO. This is the real problem.

Here is one example of a 3.3L Atkinson cycle 7 person vehicle which has class leading fuel efficiency and plenty of power.
 
Nice info, i didn't get too deep into it.
What's notable is that they beat Toyota a little!
Sounds like the drivetrain needs some refinement / the electric battery isn't big enough to be the primary driver in this version.
I'm sure they'll figure it out and hope they inspire other companies to do similar.

Of course the super high efficiency engine you mention is a Mazda one.
That is QUITE the spread on fuel economy though. Is this some aerodynamic wonder like my Mazda 2 that takes well to hypermiling, or what? The upper end of the average is quite good considering the size of the vehicle though.

What kind of fuel economy averages are you seeing in your engine from the future?
 
Yes that is notable that they beat the Giant. The video says they did it by running an extremely long stroke combined with a very small piston diameter. More extreme than I guess anybody tried.

Fuelly is just a user reported crowd sourced data site. But I don't think there is a better real world data source for fuel economy. EPA testing cycle does not always reflect real world use well. The wide variation shown is probably 80% down to driver technique and 20% down to vehicle use.

I'm not sure why "Atkinson" is used by Toyota and "Miller" is used by Mazda. May be some legal reason. Its all the same shortening the first half of the four cycles. I say intake, but I guess compression stroke shortening is the correct way to say it. Suck-Squish-Boom-Blow, so you short the 1st half and keep the longer Boom-Blow half.
 
I'm not sure why "Atkinson" is used by Toyota and "Miller" is used by Mazda. May be some legal reason. Its all the same shortening the first half of the four cycles.

My understanding is that Miller cycle by definition uses supercharging and Atkinson does not. For this reason Miller cycle engines are not always at a power disadvantage to Otto cycle engines, but Atkinson cycle engines are.
 
I have heard that also, but Mazda does have non-boosted shortened compression cycle engines that they still call "Miller cycle." All their current boosted Pseudo Miller cycle products use turbos and not superchargers. Unlike the 1990's Millenia engine which uses an IHI supercharger. All various car brands' modern Atkinson engines are Pseudo-Atkinson cycle anyway, as they all use variable valve timing to achieve the shortening of the compression cycle.

The non-boosted Mazda Miller/Atkinson have all the benefits that the boosted ones do BTW. Personally I would tend towards buying the normally aspirated cars for reliability and simplicity reasons. They seem to have 2L minimum on engine size, at least in the US market, so no worries about 1.5L lackluster performance with these. If you go back and look at the MPG figures in that switchover era in 2013-2015 for Mazda, its readily apparent the fuel efficiency benefits of their switch to the Atkinson engines. For one example their model "3" 2.5L gets 37mpg highway EPA.

Did not mean to belittle the Geely achievement, but the shallow Atkinson engines have been out on the world's roads for twelve years and seem extremely reliable. They pass Euro, Asia, and US emissions standards. In twelve years if this deep Atkinson tech proves to run as reliably and cleanly, at that point it will prove itself to me. I feel the same about the compression ignition gasoline engines. Or "Homogeneous charge compression ignition." An interesting idea, but so far an unproven track record.

Sorry for the Mazda nerd rant.
 
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